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Post by rgs318 on Jan 14, 2023 18:30:55 GMT -5
HC men have played well against Colgate (even in recent losses). Massey makes the Colgate men a 10 point favorite (77-67) with an 80% chance for the win on Wed. evening.
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 14, 2023 19:40:56 GMT -5
Colgate 119
Holy Cross 343
( from KenPom)
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 14, 2023 19:42:07 GMT -5
'Gate is the by far the best team in the league, IMHO...Size, shooters, and they play defense...
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Post by efg72 on Jan 14, 2023 19:44:46 GMT -5
Navy is snake bit trying to figure out who they are- if they find out ghey will be there at the end
Army can beat all in the league
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 14, 2023 19:50:14 GMT -5
HC men have played well against Colgate (even in recent losses). Massey makes the Colgate men a 10 point favorite (77-67) with an 80% chance for the win on Wed. evening. HC have lost 13 in a row to Colgate. Nelson is 0-8 against Langel with five losses coming by double digits. Colgate has totally dominated us and to say anything otherwise is a spin. Last win was when Rob Champion was a senior. |
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Post by classof83 on Jan 14, 2023 20:26:21 GMT -5
Colgate's phenomenal Freshman PG, Braeden Smith, hurt his ankle in the game against Bucknell today and probably won't be playing against HC on Weds.
Colgate only beat Bucknell by 6 at home today.
Colgate is the best team in PL, but I don't think this team is as good as some of their teams in the last few years.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 14, 2023 20:45:36 GMT -5
HC men have played well against Colgate (even in recent losses). Massey makes the Colgate men a 10 point favorite (77-67) with an 80% chance for the win on Wed. evening. HC have lost 13 in a row to Colgate. Nelson is 0-8 against Langel with five losses coming by double digits. Colgate has totally dominated us and to say anything otherwise is a spin. Last win was when Rob Champion was a senior. Well HC leads the series 60-35. (fact) Last year, HC lost 78-71 (exciting, close game) if you want to ignore what I actually said, that IMHO is spin.  Is a 7 point difference "total domination"...really? |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 14, 2023 20:59:27 GMT -5
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Langel beating Nelson 8 straight regardless of the score is indeed domination.
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Post by Xmassader on Jan 14, 2023 21:31:59 GMT -5
Well HC leads the series 60-45. (fact) Last year, HC lost 78-71 (exciting, close game) if you want to ignore what I actually said, that IMHO is spin. Is a 7 point difference "total domination"...really? rgs318 I believe that the series record is 60-35 not 60-45. Was 60-22 until we hit this tailspin. If anyone had told any of us who graduated pre-PL that HC would at some point in the future lose 13 in a row to Colgate in hoops, you would have thought he was nuts. Just another example of how far the program has deteriorated. Attention ADKH and BOT…we have a problem (12 losing seasons in 14 years and a significant diminution of our hoops legacy). Nine recruiting “slots” available prior to September of 2024 with much of the recruiting for those slots to be done in the next 8-10 months. You need to come up with a plan for turning this program around…and soon. Continuing on the same path of the last 14 years and expecting a different result is xxxxxxxy. |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 15, 2023 5:26:45 GMT -5
I did not realize Smith hurt the ankle yesterday; Coach Langel, I would definitely keep him out Wednesday; no use taking chances.
Rumor has it both Records and Richardson skinned their knees late in the Bucknell game as well; I would leave them in Hamilton on Wednesday.
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Post by trimster on Jan 15, 2023 7:24:57 GMT -5
rgs318 I believe that the series record is 60-35 not 60-45. Was 60-22 until we hit this tailspin. If anyone had told any of us who graduated pre-PL that HC would at some point in the future lose 13 in a row to Colgate in hoops, you would have thought he was nuts. Just another example of how far the program has deteriorated. Attention ADKH and BOT…we have a problem (12 losing seasons in 14 years and a significant diminution of our hoops legacy). Nine recruiting “slots” available prior to September of 2024 with much of the recruiting for those slots to be done in the next 8-10 months. You need to come up with a plan for turning this program around…and soon. Continuing on the same path of the last 14 years and expecting a different result is xxxxxxxy. I fear we have become a men’s hoop program where any coach has to think long and hard before applying for a head coach vacancy. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 15, 2023 8:35:19 GMT -5
I fear we have become a men’s hoop program where any coach has to think long and hard before applying for a head coach vacancy. I think any prospective head coach would look at our recent basketball coaching history and understand firing Milan Brown (five seasons) and Brett Nelson (four seasons). Kearney was a terrible situation all the way around, but that AD and school president are long gone. There aren’t many jobs out there where you can make $300K+ annually coaching basketball. We won’t have a problem fielding many good and qualified candidates. |
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Post by trimster on Jan 15, 2023 8:46:12 GMT -5
As of late, it has become a career ender for head coaches. I don't have the optimism you have.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 15, 2023 8:59:59 GMT -5
No decent current D1 head coach anywhere is going to willing leave where they're at to come to HC, and get a feeling the high D1 assistant route won't happen again; so you're looking at a D2-3 head guy who has to be willing to leave whatever comfortable situation they may be in to attempt to to turn around one of the worst squads in the country.
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Post by trimster on Jan 15, 2023 9:07:39 GMT -5
No decent current D1 head coach anywhere is going to willing leave where they're at to come to HC, and get a feeling the high D1 assistant route won't happen again; so you're looking at a D2-3 head guy who has to be willing to leave whatever comfortable situation they may be in to attempt to to turn around one of the worst squads in the country. Sounds about right to me. I'd rather have that than the Kearney/Nelson model. |
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Post by HC92 on Jan 15, 2023 9:54:34 GMT -5
There will be plenty of candidates for any D1 head job. There are thousands of people out there whose life goal is to coach a D1 team. And coaches all have egos. Most will think they can win anywhere. It’s like that one spot in your town where the restaurant turns over every 1-2 years. And yet there’s always another restaurant owner who thinks he/she can make it where no one else has.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 15, 2023 9:57:01 GMT -5
HC92 - You sum up our situation pretty well. Many also have ties to possible recruits they believe can be difference makers.
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Post by trimster on Jan 15, 2023 12:58:42 GMT -5
HC92 - You sum up our situation pretty well. Many also have ties to possible recruits they believe can be difference makers. Until they find out they can't get them into HC. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 15, 2023 13:07:16 GMT -5
I fear we have become a men’s hoop program where any coach has to think long and hard before applying for a head coach vacancy. Another reason to offer "opportunity" to a D-2/3 head coach who has confidence he can duplicate his successful program building at HC, and might not be as cagey in calculating his career path as a veteran D-1 coach. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 15, 2023 13:19:05 GMT -5
There will be plenty of candidates for any D1 head job. There are thousands of people out there whose life goal is to coach a D1 team. And coaches all have egos. Most will think they can win anywhere. It’s like that one spot in your town where the restaurant turns over every 1-2 years. And yet there’s always another restaurant owner who thinks he/she can make it where no one else has. Like Geno's restaurant in Storrs. It didn't survive the pandemic.🙂 HC will definitely draw applicants. Look at Coach Magarity. She considered HC a step up from UNH, if I interpreted her diplomatic towards UNH comments correctly when she arrived. I don't think HC had to break the bank or get into a bidding war for either of our two winning coaches, Chesney and Magarity. |
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Post by Xmassader on Jan 15, 2023 13:20:44 GMT -5
No decent current D1 head coach anywhere is going to willing leave where they're at to come to HC, and get a feeling the high D1 assistant route won't happen again; so you're looking at a D2-3 head guy who has to be willing to leave whatever comfortable situation they may be in to attempt to to turn around one of the worst squads in the country. actp. Josh Schuertz of Lincoln Memorial University in Tennessee was just such a coach in 2015 and 2019 when we had our last two coaching searches but the wizards at the Parker search firm and our two previous ADs probably never heard of him and/or never identified him as a prospective candidate. Indiana State hired him last year and, after a rocky start, he has the Sycamores currently at 13-5 and in first place in the Missouri Valley Conference. There are other Josh Schuertzs out there. The question is will the HC PTBs identify them and provide the necessary incentives to land one of them. |
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Post by efg72 on Jan 15, 2023 13:21:45 GMT -5
Andy Sachs could turn things around quickly
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 15, 2023 13:54:43 GMT -5
HC92 offers a nice example of the restaurant location that has seen a succession of failures, I'll stick with the restaurant example but offer a different spin to answer the question of whether HC would find a lot of coaches interested in our head coach position. Would you want to take over a restaurant that flourished for years under a brilliant and charismatic owner who was now retiring or one that had enjoyed many years of success but which had fallen on hard times recently under an incompetent manager? I'd love to take over from the incompetent, correct his glaring mistakes, and get the operation back on the right track to success. In my business career I saw this many, many times in Coca-Cola Bottling Companies during my tenure with TCCC and with bars, restaurants, and liquor stores during my spirits and wine career. I suggest that we have such a situation at Holy Cross.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 15, 2023 14:05:15 GMT -5
It can be helpful if the bar is already set low - as is the case at HC. The biggest help, however, is for the position to actually be open.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 15, 2023 16:18:04 GMT -5
Trivia question: What do coaches Schuertz and Nelson have in common?
Answer: they both filled out the bottom of their rosters with the same big.
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