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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 19, 2023 6:46:05 GMT -5
Agree totally with '83, WHEN he blew the whistle made no sense at all. The other thing that irks me was that it wasn't like Smith was attempting to advance the ball, and Batch impeded his progress with his hands or body. Just arms flailing away from both guys. If the ref just waited another second or two it would have played out; then he could have called a foul if warranted. Just a Wednesday night ref assigned to a PL game making it about himself in the last minute.
I just can't get on the players at all at this point - they are giving so much of themselves. It has to be discouraging to see guys on the other team being subbed while you're sucking wind. I hope they can find a way to grind out some more wins; they deserve it.
Smith is good, but our guy is pretty good too.
I have to say I thought Colgate did the best job yet at using their tremendous height advantage. I guess that's what good coaching will do for you.
The Raiders are certainly good, but not sure if they are quite at the level of their last couple of teams. Smith as a freshman is a little different than Nelly Cummings or Jordan Burns as upperclassmen, imho. Still, will be really hard to knock them off.
Well, time to get ready for Saturday - I suggest every tests their mute button on the ole remote before then.
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Post by hc80 on Jan 19, 2023 7:23:57 GMT -5
The official certainly should have called Batch for a hand check foul…. And he forgot the golden rule of officiating at the end of the game. - “call the first one” - if you wait, it the fouls get more aggressive…
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 19, 2023 7:25:31 GMT -5
By the way, I apologize in advance if I am wrong on Wilbar, but the same source was spot on about Lewis' departure.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 19, 2023 7:35:16 GMT -5
Also meant to mention: I thought Octave looked as comfortable as I can remember since his injury.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 19, 2023 7:56:11 GMT -5
I know Nelson has a lot more on his plate, but the little things can make a big difference in a ballgame.
Last night, possession at the end of the half was f*cked up beyond recognition.
HC got the rebound w/35 seconds left. Moving the ball around well, passed up a shot or two; right or wrong; called time out w/24 (19 shot clock) seconds left.
At this point, you have to think they either strike quickly with a surprise play from the bench; or, more likely, hold the ball until maybe the 12 second mark then run something.
What do they do? Hoist one up at the 17 second mark, it misses; Colgate has plenty of time to run their offense, end up with a foul call w/.6 left.
So instead of up 1,3 or 4 at the half; they end up down 1. Big swing in a close game.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 19, 2023 8:08:58 GMT -5
The other call I still can’t believe was made, was the block on Keney. He took a hit, fell backward to the floor, then Records stepped on him . Whistle blew, block on Keney! Pretty strange call… . One theory from the person sitting next to me is it was a case of the ref telling Kenney not to flop Kennet grabbed Records leg after he went up for the shot and impeded his ability to land. That was the reason for the call. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 19, 2023 8:30:10 GMT -5
I know Nelson has a lot more on his plate, but the little things can make a big difference in a ballgame. Last night, possession at the end of the half was f*cked up beyond recognition. The sequence you laid out was brutal. Psychologically, would have been great to be going into the half leading. There were two end-of-game situations that really irked me. 1) Trailing 72-64 after Colgate makes a layup with 1:28 left, Nelson calls a timeout at 1:19. Coming out of that timeout, we have no choice but to go quick. There are only so many possessions left in the game. Instead, we look to have zero plan for that possession and are left with Octave taking and making a circus shot (plus the and one) with :53 left. But to burn away that precious time was awful. 2) After Octave makes the free throw (72-67), how is Nelson content with dropping back on defense and allowing Colgate to allow :30 run off the clock? There was no full court pressing or trapping once Smith crossed half court. Instead, Batch is defending Smith one on one when he picks up that questionable foul with :36 left. Awful end-of-game management. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 19, 2023 8:36:11 GMT -5
A more general point and observation about Kenney -- he's got to learn to play without fouling. Four fouls in ten minutes last night.
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Post by trimster on Jan 19, 2023 8:56:15 GMT -5
If Wilbur is done, I believe that means BN now has an equal number of player defections and D1 wins. That includes walk-ons and doesn’t include Green and Grandison. That is kind of mind boggling.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 19, 2023 10:34:56 GMT -5
Attendance-1107
Looks as if multiple teams attended. Good vocal support.
More locals as well ?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 19, 2023 10:47:29 GMT -5
Attendance-1107 Looks as if multiple teams attended. Good vocal support. More locals as well ? Kevin Gehl said it was the best student support he's seen in quite some time at the Hart Center. A sad state of affairs as the bleachers behind the baskets were still mostly empty. |
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Post by crusader1970 on Jan 19, 2023 11:24:52 GMT -5
We definitely have high school offers out there, but it is late for quality players to commit. Then we are again left with a small pool of transfers who are both talented and academically qualified. We saw how small based on last year. And if we are involved with some worthy players, the opposing schools will definitely use negative recruiting about the question of our coach’s future.Absolutely.
Another reason why Nelson needs to be let go immediately after our loss in the PL Tournament.
I would hope at this point that Kit has received some/made some exploratory phone calls.
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Post by trimster on Jan 19, 2023 11:26:52 GMT -5
Attendance-1107 Looks as if multiple teams attended. Good vocal support. More locals as well ? Kevin Gehl said it was the best student support he's seen in quite some time at the Hart Center. A sad state of affairs as the bleachers behind the baskets were still mostly empty. Indeed. I think he also said the house was rocking more than once. Uh, no, not really. |
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Post by crusader1970 on Jan 19, 2023 11:33:55 GMT -5
I know Nelson has a lot more on his plate, but the little things can make a big difference in a ballgame. Last night, possession at the end of the half was f*cked up beyond recognition. The sequence you laid out was brutal. Psychologically, would have been great to be going into the half leading. There were two end-of-game situations that really irked me. 1) Trailing 72-64 after Colgate makes a layup with 1:28 left, Nelson calls a timeout at 1:19. Coming out of that timeout, we have no choice but to go quick. There are only so many possessions left in the game. Instead, we look to have zero plan for that possession and are left with Octave taking and making a circus shot (plus the and one) with :53 left. But to burn away that precious time was awful. 2) After Octave makes the free throw (72-67), how is Nelson content with dropping back on defense and allowing Colgate to allow :30 run off the clock? There was no full court pressing or trapping once Smith crossed half court. Instead, Batch is defending Smith one on one when he picks up that questionable foul with :36 left.
Awful end-of-game management. Unfortunately, not a surprise. Just add it to the list. |
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 19, 2023 11:35:00 GMT -5
Student support ? more accurately 'student athlete' support - both lax teams and I think baseball and softball have started workouts - so why not go the Hart and take in the game
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Post by crusader1970 on Jan 19, 2023 11:39:03 GMT -5
If Wilbar is done, I believe that means BN now has an equal number of player defections and D1 wins. That includes walk-ons and doesn’t include Green and Grandison. That is kind of mind boggling. He's gone (Wilbar, that is. Sorry if I got anybody's hopes up.  )
No longer on the roster.
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Post by Xmassader on Jan 19, 2023 12:55:01 GMT -5
With Wilbar’s departure, all four of the bigs on the roster on 9/1/22 are unavailable. While not confident that any of the four would be a standout, I figured that we had 20 fouls worth of 6’8”-6’10” to sub into each game to provide some defensive rebounding and some D vs. opposing bigs (e.g. Records and Woodward). Unfortunately, we’re now down to zero bigs.
Quite frankly, as NAD indicated, it’s pretty surprising that, until last night, opposing bigs have not hurt us as much as I thought they would, particularly offensively. Hopefully, the small lineup will continue to work hard as the season progresses. Gonna be tougher to secure Ws as we hit the second time around the league schedule and fatigue and opponent adjustments become more of a factor.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 19, 2023 13:19:17 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Jan 19, 2023 13:23:20 GMT -5
With Wilbar’s departure, all four of the bigs on the roster on 9/1/22 are unavailable. While not confident that any of the four would be a standout, I figured that we had 20 fouls worth of 6’8”-6’10” to sub into each game to provide some defensive rebounding and some D vs. opposing bigs (e.g. Records and Woodward). Unfortunately, we’re now down to zero bigs. Quite frankly, as NAD indicated, it’s pretty surprising that, until last night, opposing bigs have not hurt us as much as I thought they would, particularly offensively. Hopefully, the small lineup will continue to work hard as the season progresses. Gonna be tougher to secure Ws as we hit the second time around the league schedule and fatigue and opponent adjustments become more of a factor. And without a true ball handling point, it is surprising that we have not faced much PL full court pressure, especially in our early wins. |
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Post by classof83 on Jan 19, 2023 14:03:56 GMT -5
With Wilbar’s departure, all four of the bigs on the roster on 9/1/22 are unavailable. While not confident that any of the four would be a standout, I figured that we had 20 fouls worth of 6’8”-6’10” to sub into each game to provide some defensive rebounding and some D vs. opposing bigs (e.g. Records and Woodward). Unfortunately, we’re now down to zero bigs. Quite frankly, as NAD indicated, it’s pretty surprising that, until last night, opposing bigs have not hurt us as much as I thought they would, particularly offensively. Hopefully, the small lineup will continue to work hard as the season progresses. Gonna be tougher to secure Ws as we hit the second time around the league schedule and fatigue and opponent adjustments become more of a factor. Not only that,- but we only have 10 guys to practice with and 2 of them are walk-ons. I guess RJ will need to step in if any players get hurt. |
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Post by crusader1970 on Jan 19, 2023 14:06:16 GMT -5
With Wilbar’s departure, all four of the bigs on the roster on 9/1/22 are unavailable. While not confident that any of the four would be a standout, I figured that we had 20 fouls worth of 6’8”-6’10” to sub into each game to provide some defensive rebounding and some D vs. opposing bigs (e.g. Records and Woodward). Unfortunately, we’re now down to zero bigs. Quite frankly, as NAD indicated, it’s pretty surprising that, until last night, opposing bigs have not hurt us as much as I thought they would, particularly offensively. Hopefully, the small lineup will continue to work hard as the season progresses. Gonna be tougher to secure Ws as we hit the second time around the league schedule and fatigue and opponent adjustments become more of a factor. Could not agree more. Been scratching my head on this one all season. |
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Post by timholycross on Jan 19, 2023 14:35:28 GMT -5
If Wilbar is done, I believe that means BN now has an equal number of player defections and D1 wins. That includes walk-ons and doesn’t include Green and Grandison. That is kind of mind boggling. He's gone (Wilbar, that is. Sorry if I got anybody's hopes up. )
No longer on the roster.
Wonder what transpired after his garbage time appearance at Bethlehem that resulted in this firing/retiring? Great stat about defections versus D1 wins. D1 Wins by year: 3, 5, 7. 4 = 19 Butler Faw Hargis Humphrey Johnson Lewis Lovisolo Lowder Luc Martindale Niego Oron Pridgen Reilly Sandy Verbeek Wade Wilbar Yuetter =19! Butler and Faw perhaps shouldn't be counted; but, then again, if things were going well in the program, perhaps they would have stayed. |
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Post by hchoops on Jan 19, 2023 14:43:21 GMT -5
No need to count walkons
The number without them is embarrassing enough.
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Post by trimster on Jan 19, 2023 15:04:53 GMT -5
He's gone (Wilbar, that is. Sorry if I got anybody's hopes up. )
No longer on the roster.
Wonder what transpired after his garbage time appearance at Bethlehem that resulted in this firing/retiring? Great stat about defections versus D1 wins. D1 Wins by year: 3, 5, 7. 4 = 19 Butler Faw Hargis Humphrey Johnson Lewis Lovisolo Lowder Luc Martindale Niego Oron Pridgen Reilly Sandy Verbeek Wade Wilbar Yuetter =19! Butler and Faw perhaps shouldn't be counted; but, then again, if things were going well in the program, perhaps they would have stayed. I counted Copeland as one who left the program although that may have been a medical issue. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 19, 2023 15:07:24 GMT -5
Also no need to call graduates "defectors." Stating your guess about what Butler and Faw might have done if they did not want a graduate degree is just silly IMHO...except, perhaps, to try to push preconceived ideas, same as with walk-ons. The number who have left is troubling but not as simple as some posters might have others believe.
Clearly not a "great stat" by any measure.
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