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Post by timholycross on Jan 19, 2023 15:51:15 GMT -5
Just trying to do a head count, don't read anything into my inclusion of Butler & Faw.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 19, 2023 16:20:05 GMT -5
Not sure if you were there but I'd agree with that assessment. "Rocking" is a relative term but NAD and the usual suspects and the various teams in attendance were doing the "DEE-FENCE," "GO CROSS GO" and just us Crossporters doing our "You, you, . . . . ON YOU!"
This game was a lot closer, a lot longer, than I expected. There really was enthusiasm - perhaps more than the season record would justify. I speak for myself but suspect that others inside the Hart expected the fade at the end due to fatigue. Certainly not for lack of effort. Didn't and won't check the stats for verification but my observation is that Gates is "money" for that mid-range jumper in the first half of any game when he has fresh legs. As the game progresses and he gets tired, he misses those exact same shots. Batch is too streaky. He was mostly on last night. Bo, pretty much the same. And, as we all know, Batch is not a point guard and never will be. Not his fault, just like not Gates' fault for those late misses.
I'll bet the average team height has dropped by conservatively 4" with the loss of Wilbar, Lewis, Louth and Rabs (sitting on the bench doesn't count).
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 19, 2023 17:59:24 GMT -5
Do you mean that recovering from an injury and surgery means you are no longer "on the team"? Effective height is different from "roster height" to be sure...but they are still there and will play again. BTW, the presence of the lax teams and the women's bb team were shown several times on the video of the game. Some of the women's "non-verbal" communication were interesting and entertaining (OK, maybe not the one clear obscene gesture)  |
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Post by timholycross on Jan 19, 2023 17:59:49 GMT -5
77.9 avg down to 76.1 Darned close you are!
So next year Gates/Nugent will more or less be a tradeoff and Louth/Rabs will make the team taller. But not necessarily better.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 19, 2023 18:22:26 GMT -5
Not sure if this is directed to me. From very, very reliable sources, Louth and Rabs' injuries are season ending. While they may still be on the team (officially, they are), effectively their height doesn't count since they cannot and will not be playing until next season. As for the other two, they are no longer on the roster or the team. And, thanks, Tim, for the confirmation of my guess. Pretty good for a history major!  The point is the team is considerably shorter than it was in the first game of the season. And in case you never heard this (I'd be shocked if you haven't), "you can't teach height." As I've posted multiple times before, on the day of his press conference, I kidded Brett when I said, "you should know that you are allowed to recruit players that are over 6'5." He was very serious and said "that will be one of my first priorities." |
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 19, 2023 19:19:45 GMT -5
Louth Coulibaly was there again last night...On crutches and a brace on the knee....Kirkwood got his 5 minutes or so in the first half..He did hit the only shot he took, a three from in front of the Colgate bench...
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Post by trimster on Jan 19, 2023 19:30:41 GMT -5
Louth Coulibaly was there again last night...On crutches and a brace on the knee....Kirkwood got his 5 minutes or so in the first half..He did hit the only shot he took, a three from in front of the Colgate bench... I was surprised Kirkwood played so little. It seemed like he was back on the pine shortly after hitting the 3. It turned out he was on the pine for the rest of the night. |
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 20, 2023 10:04:16 GMT -5
Louth Coulibaly was there again last night...On crutches and a brace on the knee....Kirkwood got his 5 minutes or so in the first half..He did hit the only shot he took, a three from in front of the Colgate bench... I was surprised Kirkwood played so little. It seemed like he was back on the pine shortly after hitting the 3. It turned out he was on the pine for the rest of the night. He has been getting some minutes in the first half, but not after that. I would like to see him great a few more minutes, he doesn’t hurt the team when he is out there. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 20, 2023 10:17:13 GMT -5
I agree. Why not more minutes?
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Post by hchoops on Jan 20, 2023 10:31:17 GMT -5
Nelson is fighting for his job
He is playing only the players he fully trusts to help him keep the job
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 20, 2023 10:33:56 GMT -5
Would they not do that more effectively if not so fatigued that they are unable to go full tilt?
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jan 20, 2023 10:35:43 GMT -5
Nelson is fighting for his job He is playing only the players he fully trusts to help him keep the job Or, he's auditioning for his next one. I assume there's a 100% chance he's gone, although I do appreciate that the team continues to play hard every game. It speaks well for the players, and it speaks well of Nelson's ability to motivate them. |
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Post by crusader1970 on Jan 20, 2023 10:40:52 GMT -5
Nelson is fighting for his job He is playing only the players he fully trusts to help him keep the job Absolutely.
And, according to Jacob Vanryn's half time interview, Nelson is "Fired up and locked in."
Now if he could only keep kids in the program and coach a bit.  |
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Post by timholycross on Jan 20, 2023 10:54:57 GMT -5
Nelson is fighting for his job He is playing only the players he fully trusts to help him keep the job Absolutely.
And, according to Jacob Vanryn's half time interview, Nelson is "Fired up and locked in."
Now if he could only keep kids in the program and coach a bit. I wish he could convince a referee or two that once in a while when Records gets the ball in the low post, he's guilty of malfeasance of some kind. I know there's a flop or two in there, but every GD time it's legal? |
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Post by Tom on Jan 20, 2023 11:17:50 GMT -5
Kirkwood had fewer minutes vs Colgate than we have seen recently
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 20, 2023 11:21:53 GMT -5
I was surprised Kirkwood played so little. It seemed like he was back on the pine shortly after hitting the 3. It turned out he was on the pine for the rest of the night. He has been getting some minutes in the first half, but not after that. I would like to see him great a few more minutes, he doesn’t hurt the team when he is out there. It's four on five when we're on the offensive end. |
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Post by trimster on Jan 20, 2023 11:27:56 GMT -5
He did hit a 3 on his only attempt the other night. IMHO, there is only one way he will become a factor offensively and that is buy seeing the ball go through the net in games.
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 20, 2023 11:41:26 GMT -5
He has been getting some minutes in the first half, but not after that. I would like to see him great a few more minutes, he doesn’t hurt the team when he is out there. It's four on five when we're on the offensive end. As long as he moves the ball and doesn’t turn it over, I’m fine with him out there. He does make good passes. He has to play to gain confidence. |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 20, 2023 11:59:23 GMT -5
Maybe he was under strict orders not to shoot, and got pulled when he did.
I kid......I think.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 20, 2023 12:26:08 GMT -5
It's four on five when we're on the offensive end. As long as he moves the ball and doesn’t turn it over, I’m fine with him out there. He does make good passes. He has to play to gain confidence. The games to play him to gain confidence were in the out of conference games. I realize we had some more depth then, but not enough to keep him buried deeply on the bench. One problem with him being ok as long as he does not turn it over is that Nelson mostly plays him with other limited offensive minded players, such as Tse and Kenney. This happened in the first half vs Lafayette which put us in a hole we did not recover from. |
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Post by HC92 on Jan 20, 2023 13:22:53 GMT -5
We have 3-5 players who are even average PL offensive players. Of those, Gates and maybe Batchelder are above average. Those guys have to play a lot to stay competitive. That makes it hard to get Tse, Kirkwood, etc on the floor. Ideally, you’d have some offensive stars and then could sprinkle others around them for 15-20 min each. That’s not really what we have.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 20, 2023 14:49:30 GMT -5
He has been getting some minutes in the first half, but not after that. I would like to see him great a few more minutes, he doesn’t hurt the team when he is out there. It's four on five when we're on the offensive end. Even when you count his 3 point basket? |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 20, 2023 14:54:26 GMT -5
It's four on five when we're on the offensive end. Even when you count his 3 point basket? 115 minutes played and two 3PT FG goals made. Not one 2PT FG attempted. That is an amazing feat as I would think that merely by being on the court one might score by accident (i.e. offensive rebound and put back, fast break layup, etc.) |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 20, 2023 16:12:46 GMT -5
I can't imagine that any Crusader in history has taken fewer shots/40 minutes than JK.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 20, 2023 20:31:38 GMT -5
Well, I had never taken a single shot and I'm a Crusader. Then again, I never played varsity basketball at Holy Cross. Maybe that's what you meant? But, yes, he needs to take some shots because he can't be worse than some other players on the team. Think he's got a permanent red light by the coaches? |
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