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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 7, 2017 17:01:58 GMT -5
Let's not be so shortsighted as to think some ADs aren't getting kickbacks for hiring certain search firms to "find" the next coach. That happens. Wow, are you saying that's what Nate Pine did? No. But, it happens -- in all industries.
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Post by southernsader on Mar 7, 2017 17:09:03 GMT -5
Christian 29-67 overall for a .302 winning %. Regardless of the obstacles, they can't let that slide. Brutal.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 7, 2017 17:11:22 GMT -5
Key word is "enough". No harm in getting further expertise. The proof is in the pudding. You seem to be pleased with the hire. Let's not be so shortsighted as to think some ADs aren't getting kickbacks for hiring certain search firms to "find" the next coach. That happens. The "kickback" goes the other way: an AD hires the search firm - who helped him get said AD job as a "thank you" - for an overpriced coaching search.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 7, 2017 17:22:39 GMT -5
Wow, are you saying that's what Nate Pine did? No. But, it happens -- in all industries. What happens so frequently is that it may be offered. It is not always accepted. Some have the integrity to say "No.'
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 7, 2017 18:03:02 GMT -5
for all the bc haters out there, even their hockey team has been a disappointment this season. 14 regular season losses has them on the outside for an at-large bid. they will have to win the hockey east tourney to get into the ncaa's.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 7, 2017 18:22:42 GMT -5
for all the bc haters out there, even their hockey team has been a disappointment this season. 14 regular season losses has them on the outside for an at-large bid. they will have to win the hockey east tourney to get into the ncaa's. Let's hope they go scoreless the rest of the season
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Post by hchoops on Mar 7, 2017 18:54:52 GMT -5
I don't know They continued to play hard. he has a few good, young players. What can be questioned is his penchant for playing up tempo against teams comnsiderably more talented.
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Post by ncaam on Mar 7, 2017 19:34:55 GMT -5
Unfortunately bc season is now over. Too bad the losing has stopped.
LSU coach gone.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 7, 2017 22:58:24 GMT -5
No particular interest on this board but another firing as Gary Waters is out at Cleveland State Waters's retired
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 9, 2017 10:18:53 GMT -5
Mike Rice reportedly the leading candidate at QU.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Mar 9, 2017 10:23:01 GMT -5
Mike Rice reportedly the leading candidate at QU. There's a guy I wouldn't want representing my alma mater.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 9, 2017 11:06:42 GMT -5
What consulting firm recommended him ?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 9, 2017 11:15:55 GMT -5
What consulting firm recommended him ? DHR International. The same firm that hired the QU AD, and the same firm HC used to "find" Carm.
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 9, 2017 11:48:06 GMT -5
SOV,
I get your point, but also remember DHR is essentially a head hunting firm.
Coaches (and athletics administrators) tell DHR they are looking for a job. DHR then tells schools who is looking which allows the schools to evaluate candidates with few people, including the coach's current employer, knowing they are looking. Happens all the time in the real world, no reason it should not happen in college athletics..
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 9, 2017 11:58:06 GMT -5
I understand how they work, and still think it's problematic.
Search firm: Come up with a list of "your guys", make a few calls, do a quick background check, and get paid $50K - $75K.
It's a waste of school money. Also, it's a way for an athletic director to get a better job -- hire the search firm for coaching searches, then get hired for a bigger AD gig when a job opens up and that same search firm is leading the charge. It's a racket.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 9, 2017 12:21:02 GMT -5
I understand how they work, and still think it's problematic. Search firm: Come up with a list of "your guys", make a few calls, do a quick background check, and get paid $50K - $75K. It's a waste of school money. Also, it's a way for an athletic director to get a better job -- hire the search firm for coaching searches, then get hired for a bigger AD gig when a job opens up and that same search firm is leading the charge. It's a racket. Agree it's a racket, but if DR had used a search firm and not relied on bad info he received from acquaintances in the field, perhaps the HC hoop program would be in better shape than it is today.
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Post by lou on Mar 9, 2017 12:33:31 GMT -5
We complain about the inferior coaches we have resulting in inferior teams which don't compete. Then we complain about HC spending $$ to hire a professional search firm to help us upgrade our coaching staff
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 9, 2017 13:34:43 GMT -5
I understand how they work, and still think it's problematic. Search firm: Come up with a list of "your guys", make a few calls, do a quick background check, and get paid $50K - $75K. It's a waste of school money. Also, it's a way for an athletic director to get a better job -- hire the search firm for coaching searches, then get hired for a bigger AD gig when a job opens up and that same search firm is leading the charge. It's a racket. Probably piling on here but to amplify ACTP's point ... How much did the Sean Kearny hire cost us in dead salary alone? Is it a bit of a racket? Yes. But organizations don't do a great job of sourcing candidates for lower level positions, much less senior executive positions - and I'd argue the head BB coach at any Division 1 program is a senior executive position. A search firm does not guarantee a successful hire but the stakes are too high to just see what resumes hit your desk. Having an organization you are familiar with - because you know what they did with you - enables you to have more confidence in evaluating the candidate you are reviewing. And for such a sweet gig, you might want to consider a career change?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 9, 2017 13:40:58 GMT -5
I understand how they work, and still think it's problematic. Search firm: Come up with a list of "your guys", make a few calls, do a quick background check, and get paid $50K - $75K. It's a waste of school money. Also, it's a way for an athletic director to get a better job -- hire the search firm for coaching searches, then get hired for a bigger AD gig when a job opens up and that same search firm is leading the charge. It's a racket. How much did the Sean Kearny hire cost us in dead salary alone? Well, our AD wasn't competent. So, that was the first problem. Search firms are also inherently biased, IMO. Highly recommend reading this article on Pitt's hiring of Kevin Stallings: www.post-gazette.com/sports/Pitt/2016/03/29/Pitt-Panthers-search-firm-coach-Kevin-Stallings-Scott-Barnes-conflict-of-interest/stories/201603290068
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Post by ncaam on Mar 9, 2017 13:42:51 GMT -5
I believe cbc was hired on rep and immediate availability.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 9, 2017 13:44:18 GMT -5
SOV, I get your point, but also remember DHR is essentially a head hunting firm. Coaches (and athletics administrators) tell DHR they are looking for a job. DHR then tells schools who is looking which allows the schools to evaluate candidates with few people, including the coach's current employer, knowing they are looking. Happens all the time in the real world, no reason it should not happen in college athletics.. This case only really applies to High Major, and is the only really useful place for a search firm. When a High Major job opens up and your candidates are going to be guys that already have a job as a Head Coach, having a search firm that can work through the back channels to gauge a coach's interest without them being officially linked to the school can add significant value and allow you to pull in coaches who may not have initially shown interest if it was going to become public information. If you are a Mid Major hiring a search firm to hire (a) an assistant coach somewhere (no problem getting out of their current contract), or (b) someone who isn't even currently coaching (Bill Carmody, Mike Rice, etc). you are throwing money out the window. HC hired a search firm and the two primary targets were guys who were unemployed after being fired from jobs in major conferences. Did we really need help "finding" them? Successful athletic directors are continuously updating a "short list" of potential candidates for any of their major sports that remains either in their desk or in their head until the job actually becomes open.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 9, 2017 13:44:26 GMT -5
Wonder if Ohio State's loss to Rutgers could affect Motta's status ? Great win for good guy and coach, Steve Pikiell
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 9, 2017 13:52:17 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Mar 9, 2017 13:52:36 GMT -5
SOV, I hope you are right, but there had been rumors before this loss. AD's have been know to change their tune after such a loss i presume that quote was before the game
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on Mar 9, 2017 13:56:42 GMT -5
SOV, I get your point, but also remember DHR is essentially a head hunting firm. Coaches (and athletics administrators) tell DHR they are looking for a job. DHR then tells schools who is looking which allows the schools to evaluate candidates with few people, including the coach's current employer, knowing they are looking. Happens all the time in the real world, no reason it should not happen in college athletics.. HC hired a search firm and the two primary targets were guys who were unemployed after being fired from jobs in major conferences. Did we really need help "finding" them? Who was the other target other than BC?
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