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Post by Ray on Dec 6, 2016 16:42:11 GMT -5
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Post by cmo on Dec 6, 2016 17:01:38 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing.
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 7, 2016 9:34:48 GMT -5
a 'must read' for young alums or just fans of HC who were not around in the early 80's. this story was often overlooked because of the great success of the duffner/lockbaum years. some of the details that Philbrick includes were not well known at the time. the decade of the 80's for hc football was a rollercoaster.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 7, 2016 15:03:08 GMT -5
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Post by breezy on Dec 7, 2016 15:03:30 GMT -5
I still remember how stunning it was to read in the newspaper that Coach Carter had died. Everything that is said in this story seems completely real, and is a true testament to how much Coach Carter contributed to Holy Cross football.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 7, 2016 15:16:05 GMT -5
Coach Carter's son Andrew has worked in the HC Admissions Department for many years. He was my contact during the years when I represented HC at a college fair each year here in Louisville. Very nice guy--I think he's a Colgate grad--but apparently I am mistaken if you read later posts.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 7, 2016 15:21:39 GMT -5
Wouldn't that be an oxymoron?
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Post by hchoops on Dec 7, 2016 15:25:51 GMT -5
Espn should have included Coach Carter in the Gordie piece. Maybe that was the price paid for an 11 minute show.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 7, 2016 15:42:38 GMT -5
Coach Carter's son Andrew has worked in the HC Admissions Department for many years. He was my contact during the years when I represented HC at a college fair each year here in Louisville. Very nice guy--I think he's a Colgate grad. I think he went to Trinity and actually was on Dan Allen's staff at HC for a time.
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 7, 2016 16:03:17 GMT -5
Yes as to Trinity and he was a WR coach and later a RB coach on DA's staff. Happy Birthday to the great Dan Allen BTW.
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Post by CHC8485 on Dec 7, 2016 17:00:21 GMT -5
Was working in the Chemistry department that year following graduation and that was a horrifically traumatic week for the campus.
If I recall the order correctly in the span of 4 days:
Friday Night - A sophomore, Teresa Churilla, '88 died skiing at Mount Wachusett, dorm sponsored outing
Sunday Morning - Rick Carter news broke
Monday Night - Fr. Hart passed away
Reading that story and just thinking about that week still brings me to tears. Surreal and stunned doesn't begin to describe the feeling on campus. Lots of confused looks, many questions, fewer answers. I can not imagine a more tragic week in the history of the College. Very sad.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 7, 2016 17:26:59 GMT -5
I was not on campus for those tragedies. The only frame of reference I had was the campus reaction to the JFK assassination. Devastation, plus fear of the unknown to follow. Although the events were obviously very different, possibly some of the same feelings were somewhat similar.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 7, 2016 23:13:49 GMT -5
It's really no secret why we suck for the most part these days....much of it stems from the Carter story....getting Carter as a coach and bolstering the football football program was probably the last time HC actually put time/$$$/energy into improving HC athletics dramatically....it's a tragic story, but much of this can be stemmed to a deemphasis of football/athletics at HC.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Dec 8, 2016 6:45:19 GMT -5
It's really no secret why we suck for the most part these days....much of it stems from the Carter story....getting Carter as a coach and bolstering the football football program was probably the last time HC actually put time/$$$/energy into improving HC athletics dramatically....it's a tragic story, but much of this can be stemmed to a deemphasis of football/athletics at HC. For you not to recognize that we have put increased time and money into improving Athletics over the last three years shows how out of touch you are. The changeover to scholarships alone was a major investment in money and change in philosophy.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 8, 2016 8:58:20 GMT -5
I'm just going by the results I see on the gridiron and hardwood lately....as Parcells often said "You are what you are"
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Post by gks on Dec 8, 2016 9:11:23 GMT -5
The Rick Carter story and how HC bounced back is worthy of a 30 for 30 in itself. It is a sad tale yet inspiring how the Crusaders played in 86-87. Can't imagine being a player and going through that.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 8, 2016 9:11:50 GMT -5
87 you have lost your Bahston spelling--a good thing "you are what your record says you are" B. Parcells
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Post by JRGNYR on Dec 8, 2016 10:38:05 GMT -5
It's really no secret why we suck for the most part these days....much of it stems from the Carter story....getting Carter as a coach and bolstering the football football program was probably the last time HC actually put time/$$$/energy into improving HC athletics dramatically....it's a tragic story, but much of this can be stemmed to a deemphasis of football/athletics at HC. You're wrong in that HC has made significant financial commitments since then. Basketball scholarships in 1998, some scholarships in Olympic sports in 2001, weight room improvements and expansion, the current Hart Center project, football scholarships in 2013... We all know where you stand. I think it's best if you leave that part of your feelings out of this thread. Coach Carter did wonderful things for HC. The way it ended is entirely regrettable. Let's leave it at that and pray that his family has found some level of peace in the years following the events.
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Post by JRGNYR on Dec 8, 2016 10:40:49 GMT -5
Espn should have included Coach Carter in the Gordie piece. Maybe that was the price paid for an 11 minute show. Totally agree - could do an entire documentary on HC football from 81-91.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 8, 2016 12:25:11 GMT -5
Yes, getting back to Coach Carter, I met one of his son's, whose first name escapes me, when we lived in Ohio and my older son was considering Holy Cross about 1993-4 and there was a college fair (do they still do those?) in Columbus. We went to the Holy Cross table and the young man representing Holy Cross had a name tag with "Carter" as the last name. I was hesitant at first but did finally ask if he was related to the late Rick Carter and he said Rick was his Dad. I expressed my condolences which he graciously accepted. He was really nice young man and represented Holy Cross well. My recollection was that he said he had not actually gone to Holy Cross but thought he said he went and perhaps played at WPI. Too many years ago for clearer memory but the impression left remains clear - a very impressive man who I am sure Rick would have been proud to see how he grew up.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 8, 2016 12:54:57 GMT -5
sader1970...nicely put!
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Post by timholycross on Dec 8, 2016 13:48:41 GMT -5
It's really no secret why we suck for the most part these days....much of it stems from the Carter story....getting Carter as a coach and bolstering the football football program was probably the last time HC actually put time/$$$/energy into improving HC athletics dramatically....it's a tragic story, but much of this can be stemmed to a deemphasis of football/athletics at HC. For you not to recognize that we have put increased time and money into improving Athletics over the last three years shows how out of touch you are. The changeover to scholarships alone was a major investment in money and change in philosophy. .Carter was in the right place at the right time. The talent he was left wasn't terrible. The schedule he had to play was more favorable (the Ivies when Wheelwright took over were a lot stronger than the Ivies when Carter left). None of which should detract from the great job he did.
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Post by deep Purple on Dec 10, 2016 11:33:23 GMT -5
The Rick Carter story and how HC bounced back is worthy of a 30 for 30 in itself. It is a sad tale yet inspiring how the Crusaders played in 86-87. Can't imagine being a player and going through that. How about the 1942 game? That's worthy of a full length 30 for 30.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 10, 2016 11:41:04 GMT -5
The Rick Carter story and how HC bounced back is worthy of a 30 for 30 in itself. It is a sad tale yet inspiring how the Crusaders played in 86-87. Can't imagine being a player and going through that. How about the 1942 game? That's worthy of a full length 30 for 30. True, but probably a limited audience.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 10, 2016 12:00:32 GMT -5
I don't know about that. Amerca loves underdogs and that HC team was a huge underdog if ever there was one.
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