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Post by coneyislanddogs on Mar 14, 2023 22:40:45 GMT -5
It doesn’t help the here and now (nor do any of these comments from us washed up old farts) but if these scholarship spreads I’m seeing are accurate I stand corrected in some of my previous comments. There’s simply no way to be competitive long term with this level of scholarship commitment versus our competition.
Are these other PL schools funding scholarships through CAF type campaigns or through the school’s budget in some way? I find it hard to believe that Lehigh has endowed 12.6 scholarships via lax alum fundraising but I’ve been wrong before here (and only have like 5 posts).
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 14, 2023 23:17:21 GMT -5
It doesn’t help the here and now (nor do any of these comments from us washed up old farts) but if these scholarship spreads I’m seeing are accurate I stand corrected in some of my previous comments. There’s simply no way to be competitive long term with this level of scholarship commitment versus our competition. Are these other PL schools funding scholarships through CAF type campaigns or through the school’s budget in some way? I find it hard to believe that Lehigh has endowed 12.6 scholarships via lax alum fundraising but I’ve been wrong before here (and only have like 5 posts). Kevin Cassese must have it pretty well as he is into his 16th season and would be a candidate for a bigger job. I believe he might just be buying time for the Duke gig.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 18, 2023 12:50:15 GMT -5
BU could score 30 today if they wanted to.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 18, 2023 22:50:45 GMT -5
It doesn’t help the here and now (nor do any of these comments from us washed up old farts) but if these scholarship spreads I’m seeing are accurate I stand corrected in some of my previous comments. There’s simply no way to be competitive long term with this level of scholarship commitment versus our competition. Are these other PL schools funding scholarships through CAF type campaigns or through the school’s budget in some way? I find it hard to believe that Lehigh has endowed 12.6 scholarships via lax alum fundraising but I’ve been wrong before here (and only have like 5 posts). Kevin Cassese must have it pretty well as he is into his 16th season and would be a candidate for a bigger job. I believe he might just be buying time for the Duke gig. Kevin came to my basketball camp when he was in elementary school. His dad was a notable Long Island football coach.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 25, 2023 14:53:50 GMT -5
The losing us getting old - short end of 13-8 score today vs Navy
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 25, 2023 16:46:21 GMT -5
Weren’t doubled up today. Progress.
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Post by dharry13 on Mar 26, 2023 9:12:57 GMT -5
I feel awful for what the coach has had to go through on a personal level. Awful.
That said at the end of this year he should be fired. Winless this year. 1-13 last year. At best 1-13 this year with a possible win against UMASS Lowell.
Move on and start fresh yet again. Unreal to go basically winless in two straight years.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 26, 2023 9:26:29 GMT -5
goholycross.com put in the headline "Men's Lacrosse EDGED by Navy". We lost 13-8.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 26, 2023 11:19:46 GMT -5
Know nothing about lacrosse or our coach’s ability as a coach. I do know we put him at a massive disadvantage with the lack of support relative to our peers, particularly in the form of scholarships. If you have two builders and you give one of them a $200K budget to build a house and you give the other $1.26M, the second guy is going to build a much nicer house. Does that mean the first guy is a terrible builder?
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Post by dharry13 on Mar 26, 2023 12:13:01 GMT -5
No argument. Can’t go 1-13, 1-13. Plain and simple to me.
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Post by crusader99 on Mar 29, 2023 11:06:26 GMT -5
Success is measured by W/Ls. Whether that is something that we subscribe to in our personal lives, in competitive athletics, that is the standard that coaches are held to and measured by.
An essential skill is player development. From the results, both the Men's and Women's Coaches are lacking this skill. Let's be realistic, we do not (and will not) have a roster full of the Michael Jordon types. But we do attract several all-PL level kids (See Farrell and Conlin from the 19' and 20' teams and Ben Williams and Stephen Ruffus who both transferred out to Cuse and were both all-ACC). Use the scholarship dollars on that level of recruit and then develop the others. IMO, from viewing the games this year, neither has a method of playing that is more than rolling out the ball and freelancing or playing modified summer ball which is essentially what is being played by both teams.
We have seen from FBall, Men's Hockey and WBBall that coaching matters and on-the-field (or court/rink) success can be achieved with the type of student athletes that find their way to the Hill.
The lax results reveal the glaring reality that neither coach has the ability to a produce a competitive team. In 2 years, the men are 1-27 or 2-26 making next season a watershed year. On the Women's side, after 8 years and a 30% winning rate, with some games showing a complete lack of competitiveness, not only are the results not acceptable, but the track record demonstrates that coaching skills are not hereditary, and a change is needed.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 29, 2023 13:21:26 GMT -5
Maybe the coaching skills are hereditary. Neither can win without Tom Brady.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 29, 2023 15:39:54 GMT -5
An inconvenient truth in the Bill Belichick coaching legacy.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 31, 2023 10:17:29 GMT -5
Recruiting misses have hurt us in lax. Notably one particular player from Kellenberg Memorial HS in Long Island who graduated in 2019. They had this guy Matthew Sluka, absolute stud laxer. Not sure where he ended up but he would've been a great fit at Holy Cross.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 31, 2023 10:55:57 GMT -5
Recruiting misses have hurt us in lax. Notably one particular player from Kellenberg Memorial HS in Long Island who graduated in 2019. They had this guy Matthew Sluka, absolute stud laxer. Not sure where he ended up but he would've been a great fit at Holy Cross. LOL. Off the topic but Newsday reports that another LI lax power, St. Anthony’s, has 19 D-1 commits currently on the team. Another 5 are committed elsewhere. Crazy. This year their top six seniors are heading to Harvard (2), North Carolina (2), Duke, and Johns Hopkins. Somehow we had recruiting misses on those guys too.😊
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 1, 2023 17:01:50 GMT -5
Lost today at Loyola 15-8 but played better as we trailed by only 1 at the half 6-5
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Post by crusader99 on Apr 1, 2023 19:08:09 GMT -5
They were competitive against a top15 team… depth and recruiting go hand and hand. Clearly An improvement over the Dartmouth and BU games…
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Post by Chu Chu on Apr 2, 2023 14:39:22 GMT -5
Recruiting misses have hurt us in lax. Notably one particular player from Kellenberg Memorial HS in Long Island who graduated in 2019. They had this guy Matthew Sluka, absolute stud laxer. Not sure where he ended up but he would've been a great fit at Holy Cross. LOL. Off the topic but Newsday reports that another LI lax power, St. Anthony’s, has 19 D-1 commits currently on the team. Another 5 are committed elsewhere. Crazy. This year their top six seniors are heading to Harvard (2), North Carolina (2), Duke, and Johns Hopkins. Somehow we had recruiting misses on those guys too.😊 It's going to next to impossible to win recruiting battles against teams like Harvard, North Carolina, Duke, Johns Hopkins and other PL schools with few to no scholarships. Doesn't matter what the skill of the coach is.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 2, 2023 15:39:51 GMT -5
LOL. Off the topic but Newsday reports that another LI lax power, St. Anthony’s, has 19 D-1 commits currently on the team. Another 5 are committed elsewhere. Crazy. This year their top six seniors are heading to Harvard (2), North Carolina (2), Duke, and Johns Hopkins. Somehow we had recruiting misses on those guys too.😊 It's going to next to impossible to win recruiting battles against teams like Harvard, North Carolina, Duke, Johns Hopkins and other PL schools with few to no scholarships. Doesn't matter what the skill of the coach is. That’s the point several of us have made in the thread. And why it’s been 30 years of futility. (See my MAR 10 comment, above.)
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 2, 2023 15:47:46 GMT -5
No reason to continue a program unless you let the players have a chance to succeed - 27 sports is plenty and so is ‘26’
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Post by crusader99 on Apr 2, 2023 16:03:21 GMT -5
Sure there is. Lax is more relevant with the potential College applicants than hockey. The alum are a source of donations and with a roster of 35-36 and only 4-6 scholarships, —- 30 full pay students at $80k per, each are ED applicants helping the admissions #s and, should I hasten to say, a winning team will be another on campus, fun activity for the students, their families and alum.
How about just getting the team to the competitive level that existed pre-Covid in 2019 and 2020. there is no reason why that can’t occur, in the near term without the need to be fully funded. NE and the North East is a lax hotbed. Administration and coaching consistency for the mens program will also help.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 2, 2023 16:28:17 GMT -5
Please recalculate your figures in the 2nd paragraph to reflect ‘fully funded’ - do you agree that with the present funding we don’t have a chance to compete at the top of the league ?
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 2, 2023 16:32:38 GMT -5
Read ‘1st paragraph’
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Post by crusader99 on Apr 2, 2023 17:32:36 GMT -5
Simple answer, yes. Full scholarship funding is a luxury not a necessity. A few more are needed but not 12.5. i leave that exact # to better minds.
Recall in 2015, the team was ranked in the top20 after beating 2 top 20 teams (Army and Loyola). The 2016 team had to shovel the snow off the field and practice off campus due to extreme snow fall totals that year. The school has only had a few full seasons with locker rooms, indoor practice and adequate weight training facilities. The 2020 team was tracking to compete for the top of the PL but for Covid.
The last 2 head coaches that were hired (not to discount Burke who was interim for mot of a season + and who should not have been removed ….!!) were assistants at Penn and Maryland respectively. IMO, if they thought the position was career ending (I.e Rutgers or NY Jet Football … lol) they would not have taken the position. Coach JL needs time. I suggest a quick watch of the Loyola game replay from yesterday (on ESPN+) and make your own judgment since I am admittedly biased. the team played toe to toe and a few less turnovers and a few more players, would have made a difference.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 2, 2023 18:11:24 GMT -5
We will win either zero or one game this season and might be outscored 2:1.
This program is still at joke-level until proven otherwise.
Hiring assistants with great pedigrees from higher level conferences hasn’t worked. Maybe a new strategy next time.
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