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Post by hchoops on Jan 26, 2023 11:50:02 GMT -5
Even with all of Langel’s recent success, the folks in Hamilton still do not come.
ATT. Home ATT. Home AVG/G
1 Lafayette 22 35784 11160 1,594.0
2 American 20 24996 8796 1,099.0
3 Army West Point 22 30437 10728 1,072.0
4 Holy Cross 22 35177 11636 1,057.0
5 Navy 21 44681 9217 1,024.0
6 Bucknell 22 34959 9859 985.0
7 Boston University 22 33455 7962 884.0
8 Colgate 22 44318 6272 784.0
9 Loyola Maryland 22 29058 6539 726.0
10 Lehigh 20 50965 6126 680.0
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 26, 2023 11:54:43 GMT -5
Sad for sure, but to be fair many other leagues are experiencing the same thing (at least with the leagues I pay attention to). Even the A-10 has its fair share of games where the attendance doesn't break 2,500 or so.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 26, 2023 11:58:02 GMT -5
Sad for sure, but to be fair many other leagues are experiencing the same thing (at least with the leagues I pay attention to). Even the A-10 has its fair share of games where the attendance doesn't break 2,500 or so. Of course the A10 should be better, but our middle #5 -6 teams hover around 1000. |
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Post by hchoops on Jan 26, 2023 12:00:12 GMT -5
To show the disparity in the PL, Colgate is #118 in Pomeroy.
The second “best” is Navy at 209.
Grateful to Loyola.
They are last at 343
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 26, 2023 12:25:18 GMT -5
I'll bet you've been to Hamilton, NY. I've been there perhaps 10 times +/-. I can tell you or others who have never been there that there are more cows than people in the area. This is not Boston, in fact, it's a far cry from even Worcester, population-wise.
So, we are talking the Colgate students and, well, despite recent history, it's a football school. Lovely town but unless they win a national championship and people abandon the Syracuse Orangemen and drive over to Hamilton, they won't be having any sellouts anytime soon.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 26, 2023 12:29:14 GMT -5
I'll bet you've been to Hamilton, NY. I've been there perhaps 10 times +/-. I can tell you or others who have never been there that there are more cows than people in the area. This is not Boston, in fact, it's a far cry from even Worcester, population-wise. So, we are talking the Colgate students and, well, despite recent history, it's a football school. Lovely town but unless they win a national championship and people abandon the Syracuse Orangemen and drive over to Hamilton, they won't be having any sellouts anytime soon. Unless when they host another PLC. |
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 26, 2023 12:38:32 GMT -5
I suppose with a game on TV, many students would show up, even if not basketball fans (like HC students) and it’s a small gym, so yeah, maybe. Maybe. 🤷🏻♂️
Correct me if I am wrong but the reason for the crowds in Foyle’s day was he was a local kid and much better than any player they have now - NBA quality.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 26, 2023 13:27:39 GMT -5
Even with all of Langel’s recent success, the folks in Hamilton still do not come. ATT. Home ATT. Home AVG/G 1 Lafayette 22 35784 11160 1,594.0 2 American 20 24996 8796 1,099.0 3 Army West Point 22 30437 10728 1,072.0 4 Holy Cross 22 35177 11636 1,057.0 5 Navy 21 44681 9217 1,024.0 6 Bucknell 22 34959 9859 985.0 7 Boston University 22 33455 7962 884.0 8 Colgate 22 44318 6272 784.0 9 Loyola Maryland 22 29058 6539 726.0 10 Lehigh 20 50965 6126 680.0 America East in some of the same markets 1 Vermont 21 30061 13184 2,197.0 2 Binghamton 20 34940 17455 1,745.0 3 UMBC 22 40707 17147 1,428.0 4 UAlbany 22 56491 6989 1,164.0 5 Maine 20 43073 6878 859.0 6 Bryant 20 39103 7316 812.0 7 UMass Lowell 22 29427 7422 674.0 8 New Hampshire 19 19295 5060 562.0 9 NJIT 20 26397 3265 362.0 |
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Post by trimster on Jan 26, 2023 13:35:20 GMT -5
Sad for sure, but to be fair many other leagues are experiencing the same thing (at least with the leagues I pay attention to). Even the A-10 has its fair share of games where the attendance doesn't break 2,500 or so. Of course the A10 should be better, but our middle #5 -6 teams hover around 1000. Allegedly. Attendance should represent the number of people who actually attend. I watched most of last night's HC game and I highly doubt there were 1100 people in attendance. |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 26, 2023 21:33:33 GMT -5
HC includes season tix sold + single game/walkups in their attendance totals. Not what should be done, but it is.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 27, 2023 12:15:07 GMT -5
PL is a basketball wasteland. Nobody cares. Triple-digit attendance figures across the board until HC and Bucknell find their way back to the top and dominate in this category, like they should. Lafayette has the most loyal hoops fans in the league. Good or bad, their home crowds remain respectable.
With regards to Colgate, attendance has increased under Langel...from a baseline of around 400 / game to a little under 1,000. Their pool to draw from is almost exclusively students. Even in football, big games there draw around 4-5,000, and those are all on Saturdays, in seasons w less games where NY and Boston area alums can at least plan out weekend trips.
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Post by Tom on Jan 27, 2023 12:21:54 GMT -5
HC includes season tix sold + single game/walkups in their attendance totals. Not what should be done, but it is. I think that is the standard for most sporting event. I've seen some cold April nights when the eye test at Fenway is not even close to the announced paid attendance |
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 28, 2023 10:57:42 GMT -5
Womens A-10 numbers
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 28, 2023 11:53:13 GMT -5
Was always wondering about A10 WBB attendance, thanks...
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 28, 2023 12:06:24 GMT -5
Was always wondering about A10 WBB attendance, thanks... Well, a couple posts above it was about A10 MBB attendance....The Dayton WBB program outdraws every PL MBB program. |
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Post by trimster on Jan 28, 2023 13:13:02 GMT -5
PL is a basketball wasteland. Nobody cares. Triple-digit attendance figures across the board until HC and Bucknell find their way back to the top and dominate in this category, like they should. Lafayette has the most loyal hoops fans in the league. Good or bad, their home crowds remain respectable. With regards to Colgate, attendance has increased under Langel...from a baseline of around 400 / game to a little under 1,000. Their pool to draw from is almost exclusively students. Even in football, big games there draw around 4-5,000, and those are all on Saturdays, in seasons w less games where NY and Boston area alums can at least plan out weekend trips. Couldn’t agree more with your opening statement. Unfortunately the only people upset about it are a few like you and a bunch of old timers like me who remember when HC men’s hoop tickets were actually a hot item. |
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 30, 2023 11:08:08 GMT -5
Yes, sad stats for sure.. HOWEVER, those numbers are not the team stats, but the FANS STATS. So, they show that the teams fans are not doing their job! Maybe, just maybe, IF more “fans” showed up, the team might have a touch more energy, win a few more lose games, and be able to recruit better players to the Hill.. WE AS FANS ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO CAN BETTER THOSE STATS, Friends and acquaintances ask me why I-still have season tickets .. I look forward to going to games, and realize a team cannot win every game. Just as a player cannot make every play perfectly.. So if one wants those posted stats to get better and get to some more games!
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Post by hchoops on Jan 30, 2023 11:12:12 GMT -5
Not only at HC do fans avoid losing teams.
Your scenario is ideal, but unreal.
When most teams first win, then fans show up.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 30, 2023 11:20:07 GMT -5
Yes- I'd expect lapsed HC basketball fans and neophytes to respond to a great new coach building a winning team the same way that their football counterparts responded to Bob Chesney and the repeat champion Crusader football team. No great insight there, just a phenomenon that has been proven many, many times
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 30, 2023 11:22:55 GMT -5
Hey folks, take a moment to read the following from Teddy Roosevelt. It is from one of the greatest speeches ever given.
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
I think this sums up our Crusaders!
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 30, 2023 11:26:44 GMT -5
Not only at HC do fans avoid losing teams. Your scenario is ideal, but unreal. When most teams first win, then fans show up. I agree! However, why must we be “most teams?” It seems to me many on this board believe HC is a special place…Not just average.. |
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 30, 2023 14:28:18 GMT -5
Hey folks, take a moment to read the following from Teddy Roosevelt. It is from one of the greatest speeches ever given. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” I think this sums up our Crusaders! Speaking for myself, I don't have to read it, I've got it memorized and a calligraphied copy given to me by my family hung for many years in my office and now hangs in my home "office," right behind me as I type this. It also happens to have been in the 1970 Purple Patcher. I totally buy in to this thought. Yes, this is fine for the players and even Coach Nelson. So, the back-bencher critics don't count. But the decision maker(s) - Kit Hughes (and Vince Rougeau) - do. As you know, I still go to the games, painful as it is, because the players represent our alma mater. They didn't ask to be put into this morass. But even the man in the arena must be held accountable because he is not in that arena alone. He brought others with him and he is responsible for and to them. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 30, 2023 14:40:56 GMT -5
I know that quote by heart as well. TR was my favorite President back when I studied history at HC, but I learned that quote from Tom Seleck, playing the role of the police commissioner on Blue Bloods.  |
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Post by efg72 on Jan 31, 2023 17:41:23 GMT -5
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Only 2 on the Deans List for hoops, but given the situation they face and attempt to address, I suppose it is understandable
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Post by hchoops on Jan 31, 2023 18:28:20 GMT -5
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