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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 26, 2023 19:32:10 GMT -5
Probably a question for PP or finance types on the board What would be the cost of say 8-10 suites to be put in and what could we charge per box Might get us 6 home games per year and pay for the extension after 2027 the staff gets 60% of the revenue 30% to Chesney and the remainder equally divided among assistants The cost of construction for new suites that are contiguous to the existing stadium would likely trigger ADA, and then you are into $50-75 million. If you could construct the suites so they were not contiguous, a la UMass' new pressbox, the ADA would not be triggered. That the field is in a flood zone is not a factor. See projected costs for stadiums, new and renovated here. roadtocfb.com/stadium-news/Most of these stadium projects are for schools anticipating an infusion of big money from media rights, e.g., Northwestern. -------------------- My guess is that the contract was restructured primarily to incentivize success, tied to the FCS playoffs/championship; wins against FBS opponents, etc. And like was done for Willard, some compensation might be deferred for tax purposes.. |
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Post by football44 on Jan 26, 2023 20:12:29 GMT -5
Lights and turf before suites and any major construction.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 26, 2023 20:32:46 GMT -5
Probably a question for PP or finance types on the board What would be the cost of say 8-10 suites to be put in and what could we charge per box Might get us 6 home games per year and pay for the extension after 2027 the staff gets 60% of the revenue 30% to Chesney and the remainder equally divided among assistants …My guess is that the contract was restructured primarily to incentivize success, tied to the FCS playoffs/championship; wins against FBS opponents, etc. And like was done for Willard, some compensation might be deferred for tax purposes.. Those are certainly reasonable ‘restructurings’…although the fact the ‘restructured’ contract is only 11 months old is interesting. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 26, 2023 21:01:58 GMT -5
…My guess is that the contract was restructured primarily to incentivize success, tied to the FCS playoffs/championship; wins against FBS opponents, etc. And like was done for Willard, some compensation might be deferred for tax purposes.. Those are certainly reasonable ‘restructurings’…although the fact the ‘restructured’ contract is only 11 months old is interesting. My guess is any restructuring was in Coach Chesney's favor to reward and hopefully retain him because he is in an even stronger position now than last off-season. |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 26, 2023 21:07:50 GMT -5
I'm sure it was restructured to better financially protect HC on the buyout front if Ches were to leave, as the HC brass realize he's a hot commodity. Also guarantees Ches' wallet is padded for another two years. Win all around.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 26, 2023 21:13:40 GMT -5
Those are certainly reasonable ‘restructurings’…although the fact the ‘restructured’ contract is only 11 months old is interesting. My guess is any restructuring was in Coach Chesney's favor to reward and hopefully retain him because he is in an even stronger position now than last off-season. I’m thinking the same thing regarding his leverage and very recent ‘restructuring’ (although he had pretty strong leverage for his new contract 11 months ago coming off another PL Championship, a BCS win, a playoff win, a close loss in the 2nd playoff game, a 10-3 record, and Delaware interest.) Wouldn’t shock me if there was even more interest from even more schools (although we’ll never know) this year. |
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Post by newadvisor on Jan 26, 2023 21:55:16 GMT -5
Lights and turf before suites and any major construction. Win for all parties involved!! Now that we've locked up the coach, lets get a "training table" so the boys can get even bigger and stronger. See you all in FRISCO. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 26, 2023 23:39:37 GMT -5
Interesting job tweet I saw today....this is pathetic
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Post by ts1970 on Jan 27, 2023 0:38:33 GMT -5
God bless Coach Chesney and family, the city of Worcester and Holy Cross for having the good sense to encourage coach C. to continue to lead our alma mater’s football program in the city which has grown to love him and his beautiful family. Amen |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 27, 2023 0:45:58 GMT -5
It does not merit a separate thread so I hope all will forgive me for including this post here. I thought it merited mentioning that while we sometimes gripe, justifiably, about a Crusader team not updating rosters or including notes from the past season, the football team has already posted players notes for the 2022 season on the roster.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 27, 2023 7:23:39 GMT -5
Perhaps coincidental that the restructuring was done following the annual convention of football coaches.
Would have like to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting.
The NY Times article on NIL's included the anecdote of a highly recruited QB from Florida who committed to the University of Miami, and was receiving a NIL of $5-6 million (I don't remember the exact amount). University of Florida boosters decided to better that, and offered the recruit a NIL worth $9 million! The recruit decommitted from The U and committed to the 'Gators. Oops. The University of Florida boosters couldn't pony up the $9 million. Deal off. The recruit is now a free agent.
This is a recruit who will have zero loyalty to a school, a program, his teammates, or a coach Illustratively, if he were now to sign with FSU and received a NIL for $3 million, and he has a great year as a freshman starter, and LSU then offers him a NIL worth $10 million, off he goes to Baton Rouge, chasing the Benjamins.
I have yet to read of an NIL where the player structured the NIL to share some of the NIL monies with his teammates.
Even professional sports don't let the players, with their compensation demands, run the asylum.
Who would want to be a football coach at an autonomy FBS school, where the Benjamins you make is ultimately determined by the Benjamins your players are making, and over which you have no say?
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Upthread, I referenced a link to new stadium costs. Northwestern's proposed new stadium with 35,000 seats will cost $800 million, to be entirely funded by a single donor family, the Ryans.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 27, 2023 7:59:15 GMT -5
Yeah, that stinks. I know, I know, we live in a free society and all that but even in the NFL and other professional sports leagues they don't allow this stuff. Talk about being a "free agent."
Please God, don't let this filter down to the Patriot League and especially not Holy Cross. There has to be some individual limitations without impinging on freedoms.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 27, 2023 8:30:33 GMT -5
Interesting job tweet I saw today....this is pathetic Not sure why the guy who tweeted this out didn't put Eastern Illinois on blast. |
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jan 27, 2023 8:36:15 GMT -5
Lights and turf before suites and any major construction. Win for all parties involved!! Now that we've locked up the coach, lets get a "training table" so the boys can get even bigger and stronger. See you all in FRISCO. To 44’s and new advisor’s points, I think lights and turf at Fitton followed by a renovated new locker room at Luth and a training table should and will come before any massive construction project to Fitton’s structure. |
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Post by cmo on Jan 27, 2023 8:41:55 GMT -5
Do we already need to renovate the luth locker room?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 27, 2023 8:45:31 GMT -5
The Chesney contract getting some discussion this morning on Worcester radio station WCRN.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 27, 2023 8:49:48 GMT -5
Perhaps coincidental that the restructuring was done following the annual convention of football coaches. Would have like to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting. The NY Times article on NIL's included the anecdote of a highly recruited QB from Florida who committed to the University of Miami, and was receiving a NIL of $5-6 million (I don't remember the exact amount). University of Florida boosters decided to better that, and offered the recruit a NIL worth $9 million! The recruit decommitted from The U and committed to the 'Gators. Oops. The University of Florida boosters couldn't pony up the $9 million. Deal off. The recruit is now a free agent. This is a recruit who will have zero loyalty to a school, a program, his teammates, or a coach Illustratively, if he were now to sign with FSU and received a NIL for $3 million, and he has a great year as a freshman starter, and LSU then offers him a NIL worth $10 million, off he goes to Baton Rouge, chasing the Benjamins. I have yet to read of an NIL where the player structured the NIL to share some of the NIL monies with his teammates. Even professional sports don't let the players, with their compensation demands, run the asylum. Who would want to be a football coach at an autonomy FBS school, where the Benjamins you make is ultimately determined by the Benjamins your players are making, and over which you have no say? -------------------- Upthread, I referenced a link to new stadium costs. Northwestern's proposed new stadium with 35,000 seats will cost $800 million, to be entirely funded by a single donor family, the Ryans. Not to get too far off topic, but the NBA is pretty damn close.
Modern college football has star QBs who have played at 2-3 top 10 programs, are in school for 5-6 years... it's clearly minor league football. There is less loyalty to the schools by some of these players. Some might argue: was there ever loyalty to the players? Maybe not. It's just ugly at the top.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 27, 2023 8:55:39 GMT -5
Win for all parties involved!! Now that we've locked up the coach, lets get a "training table" so the boys can get even bigger and stronger. See you all in FRISCO. To 44’s and new advisor’s points, I think lights and turf at Fitton followed by a renovated new locker room at Luth and a training table should and will come before any massive construction project to Fitton’s structure. Read a lot these days from NFL players saying the turf fields are notorious for increased injuries/major tears, as well as concussions. Also read that FIFA was going to play exhibition games at NFL stadiums, and the stringent testing failed virtually all of the proposed sites from a health and welfare of the players standpoint. I played about 10 minutes of football on that field, and it wasn't tackle. I'm also not a D1 athlete, so I wonder if the players want turf. I prefer grass for the optics, the safety, and these days, the uniqueness. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 27, 2023 8:56:47 GMT -5
Interesting job tweet I saw today....this is pathetic While a school openly advertising the lack of benefits of said position might be embarrassing, I don't think low-level unpaid assistants are a rare find in FCS and below. I've definitely seen "quality control" type positions at the tail end of coaching resumes. If your college playing career is over and you don't get hired as a GA anywhere your first summer after graduation, this might not be a bad option to at least get on the coaching latter. Obviously, I am sure its understood that this individual would need to obtain at least a part-time job during mornings to make ends meet -- and split rent with a couple of the other assistant coaches. College athletic departments aren't a bottomless pit of money. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 27, 2023 9:01:05 GMT -5
Interesting job tweet I saw today....this is pathetic While a school openly advertising the lack of benefits of said position might be embarrassing, I don't think low-level unpaid assistants are a rare find in FCS and below. I've definitely seen "quality control" type positions at the tail end of coaching resumes. If your college playing career is over and you don't get hired as a GA anywhere your first summer after graduation, this might not be a bad option to at least get on the coaching latter. Obviously, I am sure its understood that this individual would need to obtain at least a part-time job during mornings to make ends meet -- and split rent with a couple of the other assistant coaches. College athletic departments aren't a bottomless pit of money. I'm of the opinion that if a company (in this case football program) is going to be asking you to perform services, there needs to be something given in return (not just a bullet point on a resume). The return here doesn't need to be a salary, but getting a room in an apartment, on the college meal plan, and a stipend during the months of the season should all be doable. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 27, 2023 9:07:05 GMT -5
While a school openly advertising the lack of benefits of said position might be embarrassing, I don't think low-level unpaid assistants are a rare find in FCS and below. I've definitely seen "quality control" type positions at the tail end of coaching resumes. If your college playing career is over and you don't get hired as a GA anywhere your first summer after graduation, this might not be a bad option to at least get on the coaching latter. Obviously, I am sure its understood that this individual would need to obtain at least a part-time job during mornings to make ends meet -- and split rent with a couple of the other assistant coaches. College athletic departments aren't a bottomless pit of money. I'm of the opinion that if a company (in this case football program) is going to be asking you to perform services, there needs to be something given in return (not just a bullet point on a resume). The return here doesn't need to be a salary, but getting a room in an apartment, on the college meal plan, and a stipend during the months of the season should all be doable. Agreed. Meals and some kind of stipend should be included. And the expectation that said coach shouldn't be able to put in the same amount of hours as the others due to needing to supplement their income with another job either in the AM or late night. |
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Post by timholycross on Jan 27, 2023 10:04:08 GMT -5
Extend the boxes on the visitors side left and right of the ones that are there; no need for that side to have as many rows as it has. You could probably make it a separate structure even.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 27, 2023 10:12:46 GMT -5
To avoid expensive ADA legislation coming into play on Fitton as a whole, it must be a separate structure.
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Post by necfbfan on Jan 27, 2023 10:14:36 GMT -5
To 44’s and new advisor’s points, I think lights and turf at Fitton followed by a renovated new locker room at Luth and a training table should and will come before any massive construction project to Fitton’s structure. Read a lot these days from NFL players saying the turf fields are notorious for increased injuries/major tears, as well as concussions. Also read that FIFA was going to play exhibition games at NFL stadiums, and the stringent testing failed virtually all of the proposed sites from a health and welfare of the players standpoint. I played about 10 minutes of football on that field, and it wasn't tackle. I'm also not a D1 athlete, so I wonder if the players want turf. I prefer grass for the optics, the safety, and these days, the uniqueness. The sports science/medicine world has been aware of turf's linkage to knee injuries for at least a decade. Sure, players move a bit faster, but they're also more prone to ACL tears and other knee injuries when cutting sharply on unnatural surfaces. Wasn't aware of the increased risk of concussions, but it makes sense seeing as turf has less give than grass (Think a player's helmet whipping into a somewhat soft grassy surface vs a surface with no natural cushion.) And is anyone else here familiar with turf burn? Truly unpleasant! I'm a grass-all-the-way guy, myself. Keep it natural and authentic. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 27, 2023 10:23:27 GMT -5
When I was an officer in the Bergen County Women Coaches Assoc, the soccer coaches made a presentation to NOT schedule any games of the girls' county championship on field turf. Their data was impressive. Women seem to be more prone to ACL injuries on field turf as opposed to grass. However, some were scheduled on turf fields because of limited options (and some large crowds). I hope HC Stays with grass (given the beautiful work of the HC grounds crew!).
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