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Post by cruskater31 on Jan 27, 2023 10:26:10 GMT -5
To avoid expensive ADA legislation coming into play on Fitton as a whole, it must be a separate structure. I envision a pedestrian bridge connecting the garage to a brand new "tower" of suites and press boxes located behind the current one. Below is a link to the University of South Alabama's new press tower. I do believe it has some connection to the top of the grandstand, but was built (I think) with similar premises of not being attached to the stands. whartonsmith.com/projects/university-of-south-alabama-football-stadium-press-tower/
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Post by football44 on Jan 27, 2023 10:41:26 GMT -5
Do we already need to renovate the luth locker room? The football locker room that is in the Hart Center, is the same locker room I sat in in 1976-77. The Luth was an addition to the Hart Center so yes they need to be renovated. I've heard that there is a rowing tank room behind the locker room that if removed could allow for the expansion and renovation of the football locker room. This must become a priority.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 27, 2023 11:00:35 GMT -5
The Rowing Tank is on the west side of the complex, next to the new coaches office in the former Smith Center. The Rowing Tank was a surprise gift to the College by the Perini Family when the Hart Center was expanded in the early 1980 ‘s. As the story goes, Fr. Brooks was not aware of the gift until after the final plans were released and the shovels were in the ground. It does not share a space adjacent to the current football locker rooms.
The Tank provides a facility for both Crew teams to practice when it is not practical to use the Donahue Rowing Center and Lake Quinsigamond during the winter.
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Post by nhteamer on Jan 27, 2023 11:19:00 GMT -5
Happy to be wrong on this one with one big BUT.
Can not imagine there is not an out for a P5 offer.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 27, 2023 11:23:48 GMT -5
When I was an officer in the Bergen County Women Coaches Assoc, the soccer coaches made a presentation to NOT schedule any games of the girls' county championship on field turf. Their data was impressive. Women seem to be more prone to ACL injuries on field turf as opposed to grass. However, some were scheduled on turf fields because of limited options (and some large crowds). I hope HC Stays with grass (given the beautiful work of the HC grounds crew!). Soccer, more so than football, is absolutely awful on artificial turf.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 27, 2023 11:39:31 GMT -5
Do we already need to renovate the luth locker room? The football locker room that is in the Hart Center, is the same locker room I sat in in 1976-77. The Luth was an addition to the Hart Center so yes they need to be renovated. I've heard that there is a rowing tank room behind the locker room that if removed could allow for the expansion and renovation of the football locker room. This must become a priority. My set of Luth construction drawings are archived on a flash drive, and I am not going to look for the files. My recollection is that space near the Hart-era football locker room was converted to a larger equipment room, and a laundry. I don't think the rowing tank is where you think it is. With Luth, IIRC, the football team got new lockers, but not a new room. When Luth was done, the following sports had dedicated locker rooms, i.e., not shared, in the Luth part of the complex. lacrosse; soccer; volleyball; field hockey; track & field, basketball. Ten locker rooms In the Hart part of the complex; women's ice hockey got a new locker room (previously the women had used swimming locker rooms). Untouched were men's ice hockey; M/W swimming, A new locker room for men's ice hockey is high priority. An authoritative statement is that the men's ice hockey locker room cannot accommodate all the rostered players. I understand softball was subsequently given a locker room at the Luth. I have no idea where or how, unless they were either given a visiting team locker, room or, possibly, space below sports medicine where the squash courts were. (I suppose its also possible they were given one of the new locker rooms in The Jo.). Perhaps they will get a new locker room as part of the new softball field.
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Post by sader81 on Jan 27, 2023 11:45:10 GMT -5
Very happy to see Ches get an extension. I am surprised that another much more lucrative opportunity hasn’t come his way. His team here and elsewhere have bought into his brand of coaching 100% and the results speak for themselves. I’m not so sure that the NIL kids would embrace his style of coaching. He may have that same impression. Glad he is here for the foreseeable future. As for grass v turf: Fitton has the best grass field I’ve ever played on. Don’t fix what ain’t broken!
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 27, 2023 12:00:44 GMT -5
When I was an officer in the Bergen County Women Coaches Assoc, the soccer coaches made a presentation to NOT schedule any games of the girls' county championship on field turf. Their data was impressive. Women seem to be more prone to ACL injuries on field turf as opposed to grass. However, some were scheduled on turf fields because of limited options (and some large crowds). I hope HC Stays with grass (given the beautiful work of the HC grounds crew!). It's a different sport, but to your post: soccer on turf isn't kicking (rolling, bouncing) off the same surface. Same with baseball on turf. Football, the ball shouldn't be on the ground, so it's equally affecting all athlete's footing, speed, grip and all that... but soccer on turf is akin to soccer on pavement-- neither is grass. It's not tennis where that is a major feature of the game.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 27, 2023 12:02:52 GMT -5
Win for all parties involved!! Now that we've locked up the coach, lets get a "training table" so the boys can get even bigger and stronger. See you all in FRISCO. To 44’s and new advisor’s points, I think lights and turf at Fitton followed by a renovated new locker room at Luth and a training table should and will come before any massive construction project to Fitton’s structure. I’ve always thought of our grass field as a positive differentiator for us but you have probably thought about this more than I have. Why would you prefer turf over grass for Fitton? Because the team could use it more and practice there more regularly? Other events there? Recruits prefer it? Less weather-related stress? It did hold up shockingly well under some tough conditions at the end of this year.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 27, 2023 12:03:52 GMT -5
When I was an officer in the Bergen County Women Coaches Assoc, the soccer coaches made a presentation to NOT schedule any games of the girls' county championship on field turf. Their data was impressive. Women seem to be more prone to ACL injuries on field turf as opposed to grass. However, some were scheduled on turf fields because of limited options (and some large crowds). I hope HC Stays with grass (given the beautiful work of the HC grounds crew!). Soccer, more so than football, is absolutely awful on artificial turf. HC is installing artificial turf for the expanded Smith field stadium, for both soccer and lacrosse. Pretty sure it will be like this surface, or similar. bceagles.com/facilities/newton-campus-lacrosse-soccer-field/4
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 27, 2023 12:19:13 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 27, 2023 12:20:19 GMT -5
As far as building/enhancing the Holy Cross Football "brand", why would you want to jettison one of the brand's unique features that help differentiate it from competitive brands? As I see it, Fitton Field grass is a great plus for HC football.
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Post by alum on Jan 27, 2023 12:29:28 GMT -5
When I was an officer in the Bergen County Women Coaches Assoc, the soccer coaches made a presentation to NOT schedule any games of the girls' county championship on field turf. Their data was impressive. Women seem to be more prone to ACL injuries on field turf as opposed to grass. However, some were scheduled on turf fields because of limited options (and some large crowds). I hope HC Stays with grass (given the beautiful work of the HC grounds crew!). I agree that whenever possible, games shoiuld be played on grass. Certainly at the professional level and at major colleges, there ought to be sufficient staff to care for fields. On the other hand, most high school grass fields are as unsafe as turf fields. They are generally terribly overused, often by multiple sports and both boys and girls teams and sometimes by jayvee and freshman teams. The increasingly wet springs we seem to have have also made field turf a need as opposed to a want for most high schools.
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Post by cmo on Jan 27, 2023 13:33:24 GMT -5
Do we already need to renovate the luth locker room? The football locker room that is in the Hart Center, is the same locker room I sat in in 1976-77. The Luth was an addition to the Hart Center so yes they need to be renovated. I've heard that there is a rowing tank room behind the locker room that if removed could allow for the expansion and renovation of the football locker room. This must become a priority. Thanks. I didn’t realize that.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 27, 2023 13:49:15 GMT -5
Based on a conversation with FADMB, three years ago, Softball was provided a former visiting team locker room in Hart.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 27, 2023 13:51:51 GMT -5
Based on a conversation with FADMB, three years ago, Softball was provided a former visiting team locker room in Hart. The visiting football locker room now is a tent...like Division 3 schools
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 27, 2023 13:59:15 GMT -5
The tent attached to the visiting team locker room at Fitton, serves as a privacy shield from snooping photographers and paparazzi.😂
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 27, 2023 15:51:37 GMT -5
Based on a conversation with FADMB, three years ago, Softball was provided a former visiting team locker room in Hart. Thanks. Men's and women's hoops got two new visiting team locker rooms, as part of the construction to build Blaney. I can't remember whether women's ice hockey got a new visitor's locker room, though I tend to think not. There was at least one, and maybe two, visiting team locker room in the old Hart complex. To the extent that one of these was given to softball, that could mean visitors are now using an off-season dedicated locker room for a HC sport. The new M/W hoops locker rooms are in Luth.
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Post by football44 on Jan 27, 2023 15:59:49 GMT -5
To 44’s and new advisor’s points, I think lights and turf at Fitton followed by a renovated new locker room at Luth and a training table should and will come before any massive construction project to Fitton’s structure. I’ve always thought of our grass field as a positive differentiator for us but you have probably thought about this more than I have. Why would you prefer turf over grass for Fitton? Because the team could use it more and practice there more regularly? Other events there? Recruits prefer it? Less weather-related stress? It did hold up shockingly well under some tough conditions at the end of this year. Because for everyone to know, the maintenance crew who cut the grass and do the flowers all over campus WILL NOT allow the football team to step a foot on the field until game time. They treat it like a botanical garden. Not good for home field advantage. Put turf down and put up lights and let’s get into the 21st century. Every high school in America has a turf field. Do this and get the maintenance crew out of the way. I know for a fact that this has really frustrated the coaching staff.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 27, 2023 16:18:32 GMT -5
Maybe this is in Chesney’s new contract
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Post by timholycross on Jan 27, 2023 16:44:04 GMT -5
When I was an officer in the Bergen County Women Coaches Assoc, the soccer coaches made a presentation to NOT schedule any games of the girls' county championship on field turf. Their data was impressive. Women seem to be more prone to ACL injuries on field turf as opposed to grass. However, some were scheduled on turf fields because of limited options (and some large crowds). I hope HC Stays with grass (given the beautiful work of the HC grounds crew!). I agree that whenever possible, games shoiuld be played on grass. Certainly at the professional level and at major colleges, there ought to be sufficient staff to care for fields. On the other hand, most high school grass fields are as unsafe as turf fields. They are generally terribly overused, often by multiple sports and both boys and girls teams and sometimes by jayvee and freshman teams. The increasingly wet springs we seem to have have also made field turf a need as opposed to a want for most high schools. Unless the Revs build a soccer-only facility and the Krafts let the high school kids use it for the finals games, like they do in football; it's turf, turf and more turf. They are everywhere and you can count on one hand the number of nice high school venues that are (a) grass of decent quality; (b) are a stadium with seating and the ability to charge admissions; and (c) wide enough to play a decent level of soccer (Fitton would not be). A steady diet of crummy high school grass fields would have pushed me into retirement as a soccer official quite a while ago. The level of play is fine when there are coaches and players that know what they're doing.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jan 27, 2023 16:52:49 GMT -5
Happy to be wrong on this one with one big BUT. Can not imagine there is not an out for a P5 offer. Or Navy?
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jan 27, 2023 16:54:35 GMT -5
When was this announced? Hadn’t seen that press release.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 27, 2023 17:06:04 GMT -5
Happy to be wrong on this one with one big BUT. Can not imagine there is not an out for a P5 offer. Or Navy? Perhaps the ‘restructuring’ was in response to an offer of some sort. Timing was interesting (and unexpected).
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 27, 2023 18:51:58 GMT -5
When was this announced? Hadn’t seen that press release. ADMB announced it when he released renderings of changes at the top of the hill. The new softball field is placed where the field events occur: e.g., javelin, discus. Those events are to be relocated to the soccer team's practice field near the Luth. ADKH has subsequently stated the cost estimate for new and reconstructed fields on top of the hill is $17+ million. I believe, but am not certain, the $17M includes the $3+ million for the new surface for field hockey and the running track. The $17M includes expansion of Smith stadium to 3,000 seats, new surface for Fr. K field, and the new softball field (with an artificial surface).
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