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Post by classof83 on Feb 4, 2023 20:49:27 GMT -5
I know most won't care but just watched as Jacob Grandison played the last 5 minutes in the Duke/UNC game - hit a big 3 in the game. Say what you want, but the kid made the right decision to leave HC. Beating UNC at Cameron is a memory of a lifetime IMO.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 4, 2023 21:13:01 GMT -5
Other games thread
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Post by hc87 on Feb 4, 2023 21:19:59 GMT -5
Does anyone seriously see Nelson turning this program around?
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Post by alum on Feb 4, 2023 21:56:10 GMT -5
Does anyone seriously see Nelson turning this program around? No |
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 4, 2023 21:59:07 GMT -5
Ditto.🏳
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Post by hc87 on Feb 4, 2023 22:12:47 GMT -5
My point....why prolong the suffering?
As a coach myself I sympathize, but BN is clearly not changing the trajectory of HC hoops....rip the band-aid off after this year, we're doing no one any favors keeping him around after this season.
Gilmore should have been fired after the Yankee Stadium fiasco....but we dragged that on for seemingly no purpose.
It can be a cruel profession but these are the choices we make.
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Post by ts1970 on Feb 4, 2023 22:16:27 GMT -5
Does anyone seriously see Nelson turning this program around? I haven’t seen any sign of it. The depleted roster doesn’t help, but no. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 4, 2023 22:42:56 GMT -5
Yet after our most recent win we had posters talking about keeping BN as head coach…
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 5, 2023 5:19:00 GMT -5
A case of irrational optimism?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 5, 2023 5:22:03 GMT -5
I feel most badly for the 7 players who remain; it has to be ultra discouraging to perform under these conditions, knowing there is no help coming this year. Even the pre-game warmups were embarrassing - hardly enough players for warm up drills. And CBN should be thanking the 2 walk-ons every day for just being there as well.
If they had 2 decent players, just decent, occupying the empty chairs left by the 2 departed players, it could make a huge difference. And no matter how you slice it, there is only 1 person responsible for those 2 seats not containing decent players.
The real problem going forward imho is the unbalanced roster (again, who is ultimately responsible for that). There could be up to 7 slots needing to be replaced after next year. If CBN stays another year, and starts filling those slots....then you almost have to stay committed to him for another couple of years, otherwise there might be another mass exodus. And CBN certainly isn't going to want to hit the recruiting trail for a huge class without an extended contract. It just seems like something has to happen, one way or the other, after this season concludes.
The initial mass exodus is really coming back to haunt the program now. I can chalk up Pridgen, Lowder and Luc leaving as a sign of the times.....but not the others.
Anyway, the highlight of the day yesterday was meeting was meeting the Dorsey family. One of them told me they had about 40 there! Very nice folks; it just made for a weird situation rooting wise. I think by and large they were sort of rooting for HC to win (Nolan's mom had a purple top on), but their first priority was to root for Patrick and Nolan. They certainly filled our section up - first time in eons I felt crowded.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 5, 2023 5:39:43 GMT -5
And teams are finally understanding that you beat HC by pounding it inside.
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Post by trimster on Feb 5, 2023 7:46:25 GMT -5
I feel most badly for the 7 players who remain; it has to be ultra discouraging to perform under these conditions, knowing there is no help coming this year. Even the pre-game warmups were embarrassing - hardly enough players for warm up drills. And CBN should be thanking the 2 walk-ons every day for just being there as well. If they had 2 decent players, just decent, occupying the empty chairs left by the 2 departed players, it could make a huge difference. And no matter how you slice it, there is only 1 person responsible for those 2 seats not containing decent players. The real problem going forward imho is the unbalanced roster (again, who is ultimately responsible for that). There could be up to 7 slots needing to be replaced after next year. If CBN stays another year, and starts filling those slots....then you almost have to stay committed to him for another couple of years, otherwise there might be another mass exodus. And CBN certainly isn't going to want to hit the recruiting trail for a huge class without an extended contract. It just seems like something has to happen, one way or the other, after this season concludes. The initial mass exodus is really coming back to haunt the program now. I can chalk up Pridgen, Lowder and Luc leaving as a sign of the times.....but not the others. Anyway, the highlight of the day yesterday was meeting was meeting the Dorsey family. One of them told me they had about 40 there! Very nice folks; it just made for a weird situation rooting wise. I think by and large they were sort of rooting for HC to win (Nolan's mom had a purple top on), but their first priority was to root for Patrick and Nolan. They certainly filled our section up - first time in eons I felt crowded. Unfortunately college basketball has almost become a year by year exercise in filling a roster. It is almost impossible to plan for your roster 2-3 years down the road. It is the new realty. |
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Post by hchoops on Feb 5, 2023 8:04:07 GMT -5
Certainly true for many power conferences and some mid majors, but has any other low major suffered the losses that HC has ?
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Post by newfieguy74 on Feb 5, 2023 8:05:49 GMT -5
I feel most badly for the 7 players who remain; it has to be ultra discouraging to perform under these conditions, knowing there is no help coming this year. Even the pre-game warmups were embarrassing - hardly enough players for warm up drills. And CBN should be thanking the 2 walk-ons every day for just being there as well. If they had 2 decent players, just decent, occupying the empty chairs left by the 2 departed players, it could make a huge difference. And no matter how you slice it, there is only 1 person responsible for those 2 seats not containing decent players. The real problem going forward imho is the unbalanced roster (again, who is ultimately responsible for that). There could be up to 7 slots needing to be replaced after next year. If CBN stays another year, and starts filling those slots....then you almost have to stay committed to him for another couple of years, otherwise there might be another mass exodus. And CBN certainly isn't going to want to hit the recruiting trail for a huge class without an extended contract. It just seems like something has to happen, one way or the other, after this season concludes. The initial mass exodus is really coming back to haunt the program now. I can chalk up Pridgen, Lowder and Luc leaving as a sign of the times.....but not the others. Anyway, the highlight of the day yesterday was meeting was meeting the Dorsey family. One of them told me they had about 40 there! Very nice folks; it just made for a weird situation rooting wise. I think by and large they were sort of rooting for HC to win (Nolan's mom had a purple top on), but their first priority was to root for Patrick and Nolan. They certainly filled our section up - first time in eons I felt crowded. The Dorsey family certainly did their part bringing some enthusiasm to the game. I was standing in the Will Call window behind the father, who acknowledged the dilemma of having a son on each team. As for the game, it was pretty frustrating to watch. In the entire game I saw them double Navy's big guy twice (it worked both times), and otherwise he had his way. Navy is a decent team but also very beatable, but not for HC the way their team is configured. Nelson is not the guy. |
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Post by timholycross on Feb 5, 2023 8:33:43 GMT -5
We really need a big man - Coulibaly and Rabinovich are listed as a Juniors - and both have hardly played - how much eligibility do they both have left? There's an old joke at the beginning of Annie Hall. "Two elderly women are at a Catskills mountain resort, and one of 'em says: "Boy, the food at this place is really terrible." The other one says, "Yeah I know, and such... small portions." NCAA wise, they both have two years of eligibility; perhaps Louth has three. |
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Post by hcmawfawo on Feb 5, 2023 9:14:38 GMT -5
“Navy is a decent team but also very beatable, but not for HC the way their team is configured. Nelson is not the guy.”. Of course HC beat Navy by 11 just a month ago down there. Yesterday’s game was even or better until the last 6 minutes — clearly a very tough ending — which has unfortunately matched other tough endings in recent years. Place my full faith in ADKH and administration who have their fingers on the pulse of succeeding in today’s environment — which is dramatically changed from even a few years ago. Would like to see a quick rebound on Monday and a strong finish to the season. That will never appease those those whose minds have been made up for some time but should help guide those actually entrusted with making the best decisions for HC. In the meanwhile enjoy the effort the team has been putting in. The hard work and dedication to the program is seen and appreciated. GoCrossGo
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 5, 2023 9:37:08 GMT -5
Would like to see a quick rebound on Monday and a strong finish to the season. That will never appease those those whose minds have been made up for some time Well, a 21-78 overall record (19-45 in the PL) have contributed to this kind of thinking. How much longer do you believe Nelson should have? |
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Post by newfieguy74 on Feb 5, 2023 9:48:23 GMT -5
I give the players tons of credit for their effort and determination. They're good players. I'll give Nelson credit for keeping them motivated and, although he's been very aloof, I'll give him credit for caring. But 21-78 speaks pretty loudly, and is a very large sample to make a conclusion that he is not the answer. Change often causes upheaval but I say let's make the change and begin the process toward a better program. I'd be shocked and disappointed if KH didn't let Nelson go after this year. Even if he has a year left on his contract keeping a lame duck coach who can't win will make recruiting almost impossible.
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Post by crusader1970 on Feb 5, 2023 10:20:13 GMT -5
Lots of famous quotes in this thread.
Let me add another that IMO is right on point:
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.”
Four years of Nelson is enough.
Anyone that truly believes that all of a sudden Nelson is going to find the “secret sauce” and turn this program around is either kidding himself or totally delusional.
It’s time for Kit Hughes to step up to the plate and make what will be his most important hiring decision to date. We pretty much all like what he has done with Chesney’s contract extension.
It has given us confidence that Kit may be “the man”.
Now let’s see what he chooses to do here.
I know we’ll all be watching in early March.
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Post by efg72 on Feb 5, 2023 12:02:59 GMT -5
Always good to remember this quote from Jeter and many others
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 5, 2023 12:29:29 GMT -5
Gee, that cartoon in the upper left corner looks just like Yogi Berra rather than Jeter. But maybe my eyesight is getting as bad as my hearing . . . . and memory.  |
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 5, 2023 15:57:16 GMT -5
Lots of famous quotes in this thread. Let me add another that IMO is right on point: “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.” Four years of Nelson is enough. Anyone that truly believes that all of a sudden Nelson is going to find the “secret sauce” and turn this program around is either kidding himself or totally delusional. It’s time for Kit Hughes to step up to the plate and make what will be his most important hiring decision to date. We pretty much all like what he has done with Chesney’s contract extension. It has given us confidence that Kit may be “the man”. Now let’s see what he chooses to do here. I know we’ll all be watching in early March. No criticism of Kit or PVR and I credit them with not making a misstep that could have pushed Coach Chesney to an earlier than necessary departure. But other than that I give credit for the tremendous football turn around to Chesney and the staff and players he hired and recruited. I even hope in practice Coach has the final approval of future schedules that typically Kit would have exercised, even if Kit still officially plays that role. I credit PVR for being an enthusiastic supporter of HC athletics. I credit Kit with foresight for extending Coach Magarity earlier than he had to because she responded with another strong team after losing four seniors and may have more market value now than when FADMB signed her. At the time I would have waited but Kit got that decision right by acting when he did. So yeah, Kit may be "the man," but that doesn't lessen our oversight responsibility.🙂 |
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Post by spenser on Feb 5, 2023 16:08:31 GMT -5
Lots of famous quotes in this thread. Let me add another that IMO is right on point: “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.” Four years of Nelson is enough. Anyone that truly believes that all of a sudden Nelson is going to find the “secret sauce” and turn this program around is either kidding himself or totally delusional. It’s time for Kit Hughes to step up to the plate and make what will be his most important hiring decision to date. We pretty much all like what he has done with Chesney’s contract extension. It has given us confidence that Kit may be “the man”. Now let’s see what he chooses to do here. I know we’ll all be watching in early March. No criticism of Kit or PVR and I credit them with not making a misstep that could have pushed Coach Chesney to an earlier than necessary departure. But other than that I give credit for the tremendous football turn around to Chesney and the staff and players he hired and recruited. I even hope in practice Coach has the final approval of future schedules that typically Kit would have exercised, even if Kit still officially plays that role. I credit PVR for being an enthusiastic supporter of HC athletics. I credit Kit with foresight for extending Coach Magarity earlier than he had to because she responded with another strong team after losing four seniors and may have more market value now than when FADMB signed her. At the time I would have waited but Kit got that decision right by acting when he did. So yeah, Kit may be "the man," but that doesn't lessen our oversight responsibility.🙂 [br “Our oversight responsibility “  ? The oversight responsibility belongs the the Board of Trusttes, the President and the AD. “We” have none. |
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 5, 2023 17:49:51 GMT -5
Can we be the canary in the coal mine? Not that anyone listens to the chirping.🙂
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Post by hcmawfawo on Feb 5, 2023 19:33:21 GMT -5
Would like to see a quick rebound on Monday and a strong finish to the season. That will never appease those those whose minds have been made up for some time Well, a 21-78 overall record (19-45 in the PL) have contributed to this kind of thinking. How much longer do you believe Nelson should have? Not here to defend the record and doubt anybody would try. And don’t begrudge those who have seen enough — everyone is entitled to an opinion. But if the W-L numbers alone controlled I think we would have already seen the hammer fall. Perhaps the die is already cast but suspect remaining games will be and should be relevant. Whatever decisions are made for the future of the program of course will be based on more facts and considerations than known on this overseer board — and thankfully so. GoCrossGo |
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