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Post by hc87 on Feb 6, 2023 22:34:52 GMT -5
Had a game tonight ourselves (which we won btw) so didn't see....from reading this thread, I can picture in my mind's-eye pretty much what transpired.
Me, or is Brett Nelson the epitome of a hoop coach who wouldn't succeed at HC? He's just a total square-peg for this program in so many ways.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 6, 2023 22:48:30 GMT -5
This is the first time as a Crusader that Gerrale Gates failed to make a single field goal
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Post by crusader1970 on Feb 6, 2023 22:57:52 GMT -5
Watching HC play basketball used to be one of my true enjoyments in life.
I was sad each March when “it was time to put the basketballs away until next season.”
Coach Nelson has totally ruined this program and I find myself losing more and more interest in watching the games.
I believe tonight was his 100th Div I game at HC and it was one of our most pathetic performances. I believe his record is 21-79 in those games, or something close to that.
After 4 years of his leadership this is what we have.
If he isn’t “relieved of his duties” in early March, you have to really question what our AD is doing.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 6, 2023 23:01:06 GMT -5
The best coaches of HC hoop in my lifetime fandom of 50+ years, Blaney and Willard, had alumni connections....I'm not saying that is a prerequisite but it is significant. Those guys knew what it took to be successful at HC both on and off the floor....I just don't think Nelson "gets it."
Chesney is not an alum but I think he gets the "specialness" of Holy Cross....we need to find the hoop equivalent....Nelson is clearly not that.
Football and basketball are apples to oranges.....what works for one doesn't always work for the other....but changes need to be made....this is clearly not working.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 6, 2023 23:08:55 GMT -5
Had a game tonight ourselves (which we won btw) so didn't see....from reading this thread, I can picture in my mind's-eye pretty much what transpired. Me, or is Brett Nelson the epitome of a hoop coach who wouldn't succeed at HC? He's just a total square-peg for this program in so many ways. I don’t think it is a matter of “fit” at all. I just think that BN does not have what it takes to be a head college basketball coach
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Post by hchoops on Feb 6, 2023 23:12:51 GMT -5
Why is Gates playing at the end of a game that had been decided for some time ? 38 minutes. Nelson is driving Gates beyond his large capabilities.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 6, 2023 23:13:43 GMT -5
Had a game tonight ourselves (which we won btw) so didn't see....from reading this thread, I can picture in my mind's-eye pretty much what transpired. Me, or is Brett Nelson the epitome of a hoop coach who wouldn't succeed at HC? He's just a total square-peg for this program in so many ways. I don’t think it is a matter of “fit” at all. I just think that BN does not have what it takes to be a head college basketball coach With all due respect, I think it's a bit of both actually....he's a terrible "fit" at HC and doesn't have the D1 head coaching chops....probably a great assistant coach but doesn't have the skill-set to be a D1 head coach yet.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Feb 7, 2023 6:51:47 GMT -5
When we were up 9-0, it could/should have been 17-0. I couldn't believe how many shots we missed at the rim or wide open 3s. And the second half was worse. I don't think Gates is any taller than 6'4"; he looks like he's just a couple of inches taller than Batch. He had an off night but Lafayette also played great D on him. P.S. We lost by 14 and Lafayette missed 14 FTs.
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Post by sader81 on Feb 7, 2023 7:35:44 GMT -5
In fairness, re the missed dunk, the replayed showed that CK was fouled hard - a hack across the bicep and hand into the face. No call! Other than Batch first half shooting, a pathetic performance. I feel sorry for the guys. They are playing hard.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 7, 2023 7:44:09 GMT -5
Playing hard is to be expected. And, at some point, this doesn't matter. Year four is time to see results and we aren't getting good ones.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 7, 2023 7:47:41 GMT -5
After the 9-0 start, this was a completely one-sided game across the board. Depth (or lack thereof) catching up to us. Gates looked gassed last night.
Did anyone catch the CBS Sports announcer referring to GG as a grad student? Funny.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 7, 2023 7:50:51 GMT -5
The best coaches of HC hoop in my lifetime fandom of 50+ years, Blaney and Willard, had alumni connections....I'm not saying that is a prerequisite but it is significant. Those guys knew what it took to be successful at HC both on and off the floor....I just don't think Nelson "gets it." Chesney is not an alum but I think he gets the "specialness" of Holy Cross....we need to find the hoop equivalent....Nelson is clearly not that.Football and basketball are apples to oranges.....what works for one doesn't always work for the other....but changes need to be made....this is clearly not working. What makes Chesney most successful is that he's a culture builder -- his guys fully buy in to the goals he sets, winning is a mentality. No guarantees that anyone who "moves up" will continue to win big, but IMO Chesney could win at any kind of institution whether it be liberal arts college, esteemed national university, JUCO, big state commuter school, unaccredited bible college, HBCU, doesn't matter.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 7, 2023 7:57:08 GMT -5
I would be great to see a crowd size similar to the Saturday game against Navy. 1700 -- to get down to that number during the Willard era, you'd need a weeknight game against a meh PL team to coincide with a major snow event in Central Mass.
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Post by mm67 on Feb 7, 2023 8:13:52 GMT -5
IMHO Chesney himself buys into HC in every way - its location, its academics, its students, its campus,its Catholic Jesuit mission, its integrity. His belief in HC is outwardly reflected in his enthusiasm for all things HC including its football which spills over to the players. Chesney is not an act. He's real. I'm not sure Chesney would have these feelings at any kind of institution. My hope is that he considers his options carefully, not solely based on money but based on who he is in the broadest and deepest sense. A Holy Cross situation, for which he is perfectly suited, is not to be easily found anywhere else. He is truly a wonderful man.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 7, 2023 8:14:48 GMT -5
The best coaches of HC hoop in my lifetime fandom of 50+ years, Blaney and Willard, had alumni connections....I'm not saying that is a prerequisite but it is significant. Those guys knew what it took to be successful at HC both on and off the floor....I just don't think Nelson "gets it." Chesney is not an alum but I think he gets the "specialness" of Holy Cross....we need to find the hoop equivalent....Nelson is clearly not that. Football and basketball are apples to oranges.....what works for one doesn't always work for the other....but changes need to be made....this is clearly not working. So being an HC alum isn't a prerequisite or significant then.
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Post by Tom on Feb 7, 2023 8:23:57 GMT -5
After last night (Feb 6) HC is mathematically eliminated from winning the PL regular season
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Post by newfieguy74 on Feb 7, 2023 8:24:51 GMT -5
After the 9-0 start, this was a completely one-sided game across the board. Depth (or lack thereof) catching up to us. Gates looked gassed last night. Did anyone catch the CBS Sports announcer referring to GG as a grad student? Funny. Yes, he referred to Gates as a grad student several times. Gates was definitely gassed. Wrestling bigger guys under the basket game after game has to be exhausting. The games are tough to watch (and I've been to a few in person) but I'm beyond anger. I'm in resignation stage. And waiting--for a change. I believe we're only weeks from a change.
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Post by Ignutz on Feb 7, 2023 8:38:08 GMT -5
I think it's much more likely that we finish the regular season on an 0-5 slide, than 3-2 or better. Likewise, I'd bet on 1-4 before I'd bet on 2-3. Those things being said, I'm sending a fruit-basket to Bucknell, as I think they will maintain their occupancy of the cellar, and spare us that ignominy.
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Post by Tom on Feb 7, 2023 8:41:04 GMT -5
Breaking the league into thirds again
HC vs top third 0-4 (2 games remaining) HC vs middle third 1-4 ( 1 game remaining) HC vs bottom third 4-0 (2 games remaining)
In terms of avoiding the play-in game. #7 HC is a game behind #6 Lafayette with Lafayette holding the tiebreaker and a game and a half behind #5 Navy with Navy holding the tie breaker.
HC is 0-3 in games they only dress the minimum 7 players. Batch didn't sit until the last few seconds. Octave sat a couple of minutes in the first half. Montgomery was a looking like a 37 minute guy before fouling out. Gates at 35+ with only about a 30 second blow early in the second half while doing battle underneath. Two games in three days doesn't help. At least a longer break before heading to DC
Kirkwood got extra minutes because when Dorset came in after Montgomery fouled out, he looked like someone who knew he couldn't commit his 5th foul. Dorsey's game is defensive intensity. He can't be that effective if he's tentative.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 7, 2023 8:46:27 GMT -5
I can't help it, but I am absolutely fixated on the 2 empty seats on the HC bench. That is so unfair to this group. And with the mediocre state of the PL.....let's pretend. Pick any average point guard and big from recent HC teams, and add them to this squad. Say Caleb Green and Matt Faw. You don't think the team with these 2 guys couldn't contend for a top 4 spot? And then take it a step further - how about adding Jave Meade and Dave Dudzinski...what do you think? They are right up there challenging for the top spot. So close, and yet so far.
CBN should give the guys a day off or 2 with no game till Saturday. They could use the mental and physical break at this point more than any coaching they would receive.
I'm upset for us, but even more so for the players that are facing even more embarassment down the stretch, as they get burned to a crisp..
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Post by newfieguy74 on Feb 7, 2023 9:12:12 GMT -5
I can't help it, but I am absolutely fixated on the 2 empty seats on the HC bench. That is so unfair to this group. And with the mediocre state of the PL.....let's pretend. Pick any average point guard and big from recent HC teams, and add them to this squad. Say Caleb Green and Matt Faw. You don't think the team with these 2 guys couldn't contend for a top 4 spot? And then take it a step further - how about adding Jave Meade and Dave Dudzinski...what do you think? They are right up there challenging for the top spot. So close, and yet so far. CBN should give the guys a day off or 2 with no game till Saturday. They could use the mental and physical break at this point more than any coaching they would receive. I'm upset for us, but even more so for the players that are facing even more embarassment down the stretch, as they get burned to a crisp.. I think this is a good point. As I've watched the games this year I've often thought about how beatable the other team was, but that HC was missing one piece that kept them from doing so. In fact, with the exception of Colgate I've thought this about games involving every other PL team.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 7, 2023 9:16:21 GMT -5
I'm in the acceptance stage. Another 20 loss season as sure a thing as the sun going down tonight.
Wasn't that long ago that HC hoops had never had a 20 loss season. Kearney year I THINK was the first -- at very least it was the worst ever HC record at that time.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 7, 2023 9:33:41 GMT -5
Reading the latest posts, reminds me of the 5 stages of grief that we seem to be going through on Crossports. Won't put up an actual poll but where are you on your stage of Crusader men's basketball grief stage? Stages of Grief
The five stages of grief (DABDA) were first described in 1969 by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross in her classic book, "On Death and Dying." DABDA is an acronym for the five stages identified by Kübler-Ross. The letters stand for: DenialAngerBargainingDepressionAcceptanceAs for me, quickly went past the denial stage (season 1!!!); anger followed as things were only modestly better in season 2; bargaining perhaps in season 3; depression as season 4 started and we still had the same coach with no change in sight and the loss of players quitting the team and injuries which wiped out any length this team had and now; depression. Sorry, but this is offensive to those who have gone through actual grief
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Post by hchoops on Feb 7, 2023 9:35:21 GMT -5
I can't help it, but I am absolutely fixated on the 2 empty seats on the HC bench. That is so unfair to this group. And with the mediocre state of the PL.....let's pretend. Pick any average point guard and big from recent HC teams, and add them to this squad. Say Caleb Green and Matt Faw. You don't think the team with these 2 guys couldn't contend for a top 4 spot? And then take it a step further - how about adding Jave Meade and Dave Dudzinski...what do you think? They are right up there challenging for the top spot. So close, and yet so far. CBN should give the guys a day off or 2 with no game till Saturday. They could use the mental and physical break at this point more than any coaching they would receive. I'm upset for us, but even more so for the players that are facing even more embarassment down the stretch, as they get burned to a crisp.. Sounds possible, but even those players would need at least a competent coach
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Post by mm67 on Feb 7, 2023 9:38:10 GMT -5
Games difficult to watch. Lost hope a while back. Anger long since gone. Depression lingers. It is what it is, namely the "it"sucks! Acceptance. My heart goes out to the players and coaches. Are they allowed to grieve?
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