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Post by HCFC45 on Feb 7, 2023 9:38:12 GMT -5
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Post by crusader1970 on Feb 7, 2023 9:42:58 GMT -5
I think this is a good point. As I've watched the games this year I've often thought about how beatable the other team was, but that HC was missing one piece that kept them from doing so. In fact, with the exception of Colgate I've thought this about games involving every other PL team. The one piece missing is a competent coach My feelings exactly.
Who is better to make that judgement than hchoops?
It all starts with getting a competent head coach.
Without that change, there is virtually no hope.
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Post by trimster on Feb 7, 2023 9:48:49 GMT -5
I can't help it, but I am absolutely fixated on the 2 empty seats on the HC bench. That is so unfair to this group. And with the mediocre state of the PL.....let's pretend. Pick any average point guard and big from recent HC teams, and add them to this squad. Say Caleb Green and Matt Faw. You don't think the team with these 2 guys couldn't contend for a top 4 spot? And then take it a step further - how about adding Jave Meade and Dave Dudzinski...what do you think? They are right up there challenging for the top spot. So close, and yet so far. CBN should give the guys a day off or 2 with no game till Saturday. They could use the mental and physical break at this point more than any coaching they would receive. I'm upset for us, but even more so for the players that are facing even more embarassment down the stretch, as they get burned to a crisp.. We are a bad team in one of the weakest D1 leagues in America. To say the PL is mediocre is a real disservice to leagues that actually fit that description. It is what it is.
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Post by crusader1970 on Feb 7, 2023 9:51:37 GMT -5
Reading the latest posts, reminds me of the 5 stages of grief that we seem to be going through on Crossports. Won't put up an actual poll but where are you on your stage of Crusader men's basketball grief stage? Stages of Grief
The five stages of grief (DABDA) were first described in 1969 by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross in her classic book, "On Death and Dying." DABDA is an acronym for the five stages identified by Kübler-Ross. The letters stand for: DenialAngerBargainingDepressionAcceptanceRight now I am in the depression stage but will quickly shift to the ANGER stage if Nelson is still the coach after our early exit from PL Tourney.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 7, 2023 10:54:58 GMT -5
Maybe on Crossports but in "real life," I'll take Ralph who proved it at Holy Cross. He knows what it actually takes to win at Holy Cross having coached there successfully for many years. I would guess that with the right coach it would be even easier to coach at Holy Cross now than in Ralph's coaching days. The Luth facilities are much better and the scuttlebutt is that the Admissions difficulties are much improved. You still can't be a dolt and get in but more borderline cases are looked at more favorably. Yeah, maybe Kit can speak to hoops but he sure better talk to Ralph - first and longer. Believe hoops himself would agree but not speaking for him.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 7, 2023 10:59:18 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 7, 2023 11:18:01 GMT -5
I would venture to say that almost everyone here has gone through "actual grief," which I assume you mean loss of a loved one. If you happen to be going through that now, then I am the one to say that I'm sorry for your loss. Otherwise, I believe my post was valid and invite you to read or re-read your classmates post who is more expert on grief. No offense was intended.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 7, 2023 11:33:29 GMT -5
I deleted my post
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 7, 2023 11:36:11 GMT -5
Hoops, Grief can be defined as the reaction to the forcible loss of someone or something precious. I am sure no offense was intended by that comparison. As a grief counselor, I see the Kubler-Ross model applied in many ways and in many places. BTW, EKR had a major regret in calling the phases "stages." They do not have to be experienced in sequence or one at a time. For example, one can experience both anger and "depression" (as the model uses it) simultaneously. Also, one can experience acceptance and then move back to a previous phase. Rob, absolutely correct about the non-sequential necessity as well as more than one phase (speaking from personal experience). Perhaps had I just listed the phases/stages without the term "grief" included it might have offended less. But, I didn't recall the specific phases and found and quoted it. I appreciate your post for the clarification for others. And, to the original point, I do go back and forth, especially in the anger/bargaining/depression phases. I'm trying to get to acceptance because there is nothing I can do to effect positive change.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 7, 2023 11:36:52 GMT -5
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Post by crusader1970 on Feb 7, 2023 11:42:20 GMT -5
Maybe on Crossports but in "real life," I'll take Ralph who proved it at Holy Cross. He knows what it actually takes to win at Holy Cross having coached there successfully for many years. I would guess that with the right coach it would be even easier to coach at Holy Cross now than in Ralph's coaching days. The Luth facilities are much better and the scuttlebutt is that the Admissions difficulties are much improved. You still can't be a dolt and get in but more borderline cases are looked at more favorably. Yeah, maybe Kit can speak to hoops but he sure better talk to Ralph - first and longer. Believe hoops himself would agree but not speaking for him. From what I understand, Ralph thought Sean Kearney was a good fit as his replacement.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 7, 2023 11:46:54 GMT -5
Maybe on Crossports but in "real life," I'll take Ralph who proved it at Holy Cross. He knows what it actually takes to win at Holy Cross having coached there successfully for many years. I would guess that with the right coach it would be even easier to coach at Holy Cross now than in Ralph's coaching days. The Luth facilities are much better and the scuttlebutt is that the Admissions difficulties are much improved. You still can't be a dolt and get in but more borderline cases are looked at more favorably. Yeah, maybe Kit can speak to hoops but he sure better talk to Ralph - first and longer. Believe hoops himself would agree but not speaking for him. From what I understand, Ralph thought Sean Kearney was a good fit as his replacement. This is what he said publicly. I don’t think he was about to criticize the hire. Mike Brey also, conveniently, endorsed Kearney. Probably a convenient way to offload him from his staff and promote Martin Inglesby from DOBO to assistant.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 7, 2023 11:49:42 GMT -5
I can't help it, but I am absolutely fixated on the 2 empty seats on the HC bench. That is so unfair to this group. And with the mediocre state of the PL.....let's pretend. Pick any average point guard and big from recent HC teams, and add them to this squad. Say Caleb Green and Matt Faw. You don't think the team with these 2 guys couldn't contend for a top 4 spot? And then take it a step further - how about adding Jave Meade and Dave Dudzinski...what do you think? They are right up there challenging for the top spot. So close, and yet so far. CBN should give the guys a day off or 2 with no game till Saturday. They could use the mental and physical break at this point more than any coaching they would receive. I'm upset for us, but even more so for the players that are facing even more embarassment down the stretch, as they get burned to a crisp.. We are a bad team in one of the weakest D1 leagues in America. To say the PL is mediocre is a real disservice to leagues that actually fit that description. It is what it is. I did think about editing the post after sending it for that very reason.
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Post by trimster on Feb 7, 2023 11:50:59 GMT -5
Watching HC play basketball used to be one of my true enjoyments in life. I was sad each March when “it was time to put the basketballs away until next season.” Coach Nelson has totally ruined this program and I find myself losing more and more interest in watching the games. I believe tonight was his 100th Div I game at HC and it was one of our most pathetic performances. I believe his record is 21-79 in those games, or something close to that. After 4 years of his leadership this is what we have. If he isn’t “relieved of his duties” in early March, you have to really question what our AD is doing. I feel the same way. HC basketball has always been my North Star when it comes to a sports passion. I don't think there is even a close second. To see it where it has been for 40 years save for the Willard Era and the end of the Blaney Era has been really disturbing. I have resigned myself to expecting very little from the men's hoop program. I still buy season tickets to support the program but my passion for HC hoops has reduced to embers.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 8, 2023 6:01:29 GMT -5
I can't help it, but I am absolutely fixated on the 2 empty seats on the HC bench. That is so unfair to this group. And with the mediocre state of the PL.....let's pretend. Pick any average point guard and big from recent HC teams, and add them to this squad. Say Caleb Green and Matt Faw. You don't think the team with these 2 guys couldn't contend for a top 4 spot? And then take it a step further - how about adding Jave Meade and Dave Dudzinski...what do you think? They are right up there challenging for the top spot. So close, and yet so far. CBN should give the guys a day off or 2 with no game till Saturday. They could use the mental and physical break at this point more than any coaching they would receive. I'm upset for us, but even more so for the players that are facing even more embarassment down the stretch, as they get burned to a crisp.. Sounds possible, but even those players would need at least a competent coach Geez, hoops, I can't solve all these problems. Even so, just a couple of additional wins could mean the difference between a home quarterfinal game and having to play in the 7-10 round. So frustrating.
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Post by Tom on Feb 8, 2023 8:38:53 GMT -5
Sounds possible, but even those players would need at least a competent coach Geez, hoops, I can't solve all these problems. Even so, just a couple of additional wins could mean the difference between a home quarterfinal game and having to play in the 7-10 round. So frustrating. At this moment, 5 wins puts you in the 7-10 round a 7 wins hosting a quarterfinal game. A couple of additional wins is a big deal in the standings
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Post by hchoops on Feb 8, 2023 8:48:32 GMT -5
A 7-11 (10-21 with 2 D3 wins) 6th place record in a very weak low major conference is a very, very low ceiling. Plus a possible loss in that quarterfinal would make the record 10-22.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 8, 2023 9:11:33 GMT -5
How far we have fallen that just staying out of the play-in round might be construed as successful.
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Post by efg72 on Feb 8, 2023 9:26:18 GMT -5
Realistically how many of the remaining games are winnable- As I see it, the possibilities are limited to Loyola and BU. Army, American, and Lehigh have the size and numbers to pound it inside, and even if they don't shoot it at an average percentage, it is the opponent's formula for a W.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Feb 8, 2023 9:59:21 GMT -5
Realistically how many of the remaining games are winnable- As I see it, the possibilities are limited to Loyola and BU. Army, American, and Lehigh have the size and numbers to pound it inside, and even if they don't shoot it at an average percentage, it is the opponent's formula for a W. You're probably right but we were a made free throw away from a victory at American.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 8, 2023 10:15:59 GMT -5
That was during our lone venture into mini winning
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Post by timholycross on Feb 8, 2023 13:11:37 GMT -5
Realistically how many of the remaining games are winnable- As I see it, the possibilities are limited to Loyola and BU. Army, American, and Lehigh Colgate have the size and numbers to pound it inside, and even if they don't shoot it at an average percentage, it is the opponent's formula for a W
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Post by efg72 on Feb 8, 2023 13:43:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the correction-
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 8, 2023 17:22:01 GMT -5
In my sense of fairness it will take a victory in Dayton to forestall a coaching change.
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