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Post by hc17 on Feb 15, 2023 10:53:28 GMT -5
We're dragging our feet a bit to the end of the season & with change more likely than not...it's a fair question to ask: How attractive is Head-coaching job at HC? Furthermore, could Kit poach a HC from a current D1 school to lead the program in the future (ie. IVY, NEC, etc)?
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 15, 2023 11:06:45 GMT -5
We're dragging our feet a bit to the end of the season & with change more likely than not...it's a fair question to ask: How attractive is Head-coaching job at HC? Furthermore, could Kit poach a HC from a current D1 school to lead the program in the future (ie. IVY, NEC, etc)? It would be like a convenience store poaching the store manager from a successful supermarket. Unlikely but possible.
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Post by efg72 on Feb 15, 2023 11:28:03 GMT -5
If the job does open, I believe we will have plenty of interest in the role. As one coach said, in general, the facilities are great, and there is no reason for Holy Cross not to finish first or second every season.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 15, 2023 11:40:26 GMT -5
Totally agree But we need high quality applicants
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Post by trimster on Feb 15, 2023 11:41:16 GMT -5
We're dragging our feet a bit to the end of the season & with change more likely than not...it's a fair question to ask: How attractive is Head-coaching job at HC? Furthermore, could Kit poach a HC from a current D1 school to lead the program in the future (ie. IVY, NEC, etc)? It would be like a convenience store poaching the store manager from a successful supermarket. Unlikely but possible. I believe Martin of Brown was one of the finalists when Nelson was hired. I say that based on a post on Crossports. Some weren't impressed by his record at Brown but it isn't exactly a basketball hotbed. The coach at Cornell has done a great job in Ithaca. Not sure an Ivy coach would be interested in HC at this point.
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Post by hc17 on Feb 15, 2023 12:03:00 GMT -5
It would be like a convenience store poaching the store manager from a successful supermarket. Unlikely but possible. I believe Martin of Brown was one of the finalists when Nelson was hired. I say that based on a post on Crossports. Some weren't impressed by his record at Brown but it isn't exactly a basketball hotbed. The coach at Cornell has done a great job in Ithaca. Not sure an Ivy coach would be interested in HC at this point. I think Mike Martin at Brown would be a good fit. If you're to poach an IVY coach, he's the likely option. Does he leave? I'd like to think we could make it happen particularly if he interviewed for the role previously. Better path for sustained success in PL than the IVY in my opinion.
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Post by Tom on Feb 15, 2023 12:05:38 GMT -5
Coach Brown was poached from a head coaching position. I don't think there will be many currently employed D-I head coaches who would be anxious to make that jump today.
I do think the spot would be attractive to a D-II or D-III head coach or a D-I assistant
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Post by hcpride on Feb 15, 2023 12:09:31 GMT -5
A long-floundering D-1 program does hold the possibility of a dramatic turnaround. Which may be an attractive, albeit risky, opportunity.
We may look for someone who has turned around other floundering programs at lower levels.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 15, 2023 12:14:50 GMT -5
Sounds familiar
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Post by hc1998 on Feb 15, 2023 12:45:47 GMT -5
We're dragging our feet a bit to the end of the season & with change more likely than not...it's a fair question to ask: How attractive is Head-coaching job at HC? Furthermore, could Kit poach a HC from a current D1 school to lead the program in the future (ie. IVY, NEC, etc)? To "poach" would likely require two things, neither of which are extremely likely: 1. We have to offer significantly more money than they are currently making; 2. We'd likely have to pay a buyout
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 15, 2023 12:48:56 GMT -5
Coach Brown was poached from a head coaching position. I don't think there will be many currently employed D-I head coaches who would be anxious to make that jump today. I do think the spot would be attractive to a D-II or D-III head coach or a D-I assistant HC pays very very well compared to other low-major schools. I imagine Milan Brown more than doubled his salary when leaving THE MOUNT for HC.
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Post by Ray on Feb 15, 2023 12:49:43 GMT -5
If you're a candidate researching this role, what are your criteria? In no particular order:
- compensation - commitment of the school/AD to building a winning program - facilities - fan/alum/community interest/support for the program - what are the obstacles to winning there? can you overcome them?
Some of these items are going to fall on ADKH and PVR to address in the interview process. But, as someone who thought Nelson shouldn't be fired a year ago just because ADKH needed a year on the job to get his ducks in a row for this search, I hope/expect that he's been preparing his presentation about why this is an attractive job (as well as his list of candidates). A well-placed phone call to a candidate from Ralph Willard wouldn't hurt his case, either.
Honestly, I'm not worried about the quality of candidates we'll attract. I'm not saying we're going to pry Jay Wright out of retirement, but I think there are plenty of candidates out there who can see the upside here.
(And as always, candidates who can't see that are candidates we shouldn't be interested in, anyway.)
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Post by hchoops on Feb 15, 2023 13:20:49 GMT -5
Jay W. would not have to worry about NIL here.
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Post by coachrt on Feb 15, 2023 13:57:25 GMT -5
Trust me, there would be no shortage of candidates for this position. There are only like 352 of these jobs available. There are 10x more people that aspire to be a head coach than opportunities. Assistants who are looking for a head coaching job can't afford to be too picky. At least most can't. When an opportunity arises you better jump at it. You are right, only a small % of D1 head coaches would most likely be in the mix for this job. Any D3 or D2 head coach with ambitions to move up will certainly think this is an attractive job. Coaches have egos and most think they will be the one to turn the program around. People don't realize how competitive the coaching profession is. If your waiting for the perfect situation most likely you'll never find it.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 15, 2023 14:17:14 GMT -5
Trust me, there would be no shortage of candidates for this position. There are only like 352 of these jobs available. There are 10x more people that aspire to be a head coach than opportunities. Assistants who are looking for a head coaching job can't afford to be too picky. At least most can't. When an opportunity arises you better jump at it. You are right, only a small % of D1 head coaches would most likely be in the mix for this job. Any D3 or D2 head coach with ambitions to move up will certainly think this is an attractive job. Coaches have egos and most think they will be the one to turn the program around. People don't realize how competitive the coaching profession is. If your waiting for the perfect situation most likely you'll never find it. This is my sense also. Eliminate the D-1 coaches who already are successful because they won't come, eliminate the D-1 coaches who aren't successful because we don't want them, and most everybody else wants to move up to the adult table. I would try to avoid rationalizing why an unsuccessful coach elsewhere would be successful at HC. (Could apply on occasion like with Coach Magarity but very risky as HC has as many or more potential rationalizations why coaches can't win here as anywhere else does. We need someone who has powered through obstacles.) I would also try to avoid a search firm. They may tend to favor aspirants who are "in the club" of usual suspects while HC has to be open to all possibilities even if it's somebody across town, or overseas.
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Post by Ray on Feb 15, 2023 14:41:25 GMT -5
Trust me, there would be no shortage of candidates for this position. There are only like 352 of these jobs available. There are 10x more people that aspire to be a head coach than opportunities. Assistants who are looking for a head coaching job can't afford to be too picky. At least most can't. When an opportunity arises you better jump at it. You are right, only a small % of D1 head coaches would most likely be in the mix for this job. Any D3 or D2 head coach with ambitions to move up will certainly think this is an attractive job. Coaches have egos and most think they will be the one to turn the program around. People don't realize how competitive the coaching profession is. If your waiting for the perfect situation most likely you'll never find it. This is my sense also. Eliminate the D-1 coaches who already are successful because they won't come, eliminate the D-1 coaches who aren't successful because we don't want them, and most everybody else wants to move up to the adult table. I would try to avoid rationalizing why an unsuccessful coach elsewhere would be successful at HC. (Could apply on occasion like with Coach Magarity but very risky as HC has as many or more potential rationalizations why coaches can't win here as anywhere else does. We need someone who has powered through obstacles.) I would also try to avoid a search firm. They may tend to favor aspirants who are "in the club" of usual suspects while HC has to be open to all possibilities even if it's somebody across town, or overseas. I'm almost certain we'll use a search firm (but would be pleasantly surprised if we don't). ADKH has never run a basketball search. He's likely to bring in the firm to help him. But hopefully he uses them in a limited fashion.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 15, 2023 15:19:16 GMT -5
I also like the one year interim coach approach with someone like RJ Evans. Some say that would crush recruiting but RJ has credibility selling HC as a graduate and long time employee regardless of contract status.
The ability to try a coach for a year is priceless. HC has watched helplessly as 3-29 turned into 26-80. An option to go in a different direction after a year may have been helpful.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 15, 2023 15:30:55 GMT -5
I wonder if many college coach search firms are as worthless as many business consulting firms are??
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Post by Ray on Feb 15, 2023 16:09:59 GMT -5
I also like the one year interim coach approach with someone like RJ Evans. Some say that would crush recruiting but RJ has credibility selling HC as a graduate and long time employee regardless of contract status. The ability to try a coach for a year is priceless. HC has watched helplessly as 3-29 turned into 26-80. An option to go in a different direction after a year may have been helpful. "Some would say" because it's true.
Maybe in a year where you weren't going to have many schollies available, it wouldn't be a major issue. But in this revolving-door era, you're asking a lot of RJ to go sell the school without a commitment.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 15, 2023 16:48:31 GMT -5
RJ is coming off 26-80 as an assistant (27-80 in a few hours) which is not a credential for a long term D-1 head coach contract.
If HC would like to see if he could be the long term fix, it's either interim or part ways it would seem.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 15, 2023 17:03:05 GMT -5
How did the team do when HCBN had to miss a game and RJ took over that night? I know, not fair, but HC at present does not have an ope n head coaching position. Now many things may have been happening behind the scenes, but right now this is simply guess work about a hypothetical. .
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 15, 2023 17:13:54 GMT -5
I wonder if many college coach search firms are as worthless as many business consulting firms are?? Yes. I favor HC building search competency across 27 sports in house. How can search firms paint assistants such as SK and BN as the most qualified applicants in the world at the tine of HC job openings? I think it comes partly from the firms' preconceived notion of what HC is, a starter opportunity for a good old boy who has paid his dues in the industry as a P-6 assistant and deserves a starter opportunity.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 15, 2023 17:18:58 GMT -5
Do we have a commitment or news that our existing coach is no longer the existing coach? If so, this thread will waste our time at best, and potentially threaten the very thing this thread seeks to discover at worst.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 15, 2023 17:20:53 GMT -5
How did the team do when HCBN had to miss a game and RJ took over that night? I know, not fair, but HC at present does not have an ope n head coaching position. Now many things may have been happening behind the scenes, but right now this is simply guess work about a hypothetical. . Correct. The turnaround continues tonight in the big Trophy game. Who says HC isn't playing for hardware this season? I haven't given up hope for a magical run. The effort is there from our marathon core of players. We have to pick up as many victories as possible over BU in BB & hockey and then try to hold on during the Spring minor sports season to win the Trophy for the first time.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Feb 15, 2023 17:39:14 GMT -5
I'm going to venture a guess that this is not a very big deal to most.
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