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Post by hchoops on Feb 18, 2023 17:14:50 GMT -5
It was a seven point game when Gates and Dorsey went to the bench with 12:54 left Nelson has subbed 2 and sometimes 3 starters at the same time in second halves of competitive games. (I realize that today Dorsey was in foul trouble) It has usually resulted in a significant swing of points. I realize that starters need rest, but they could be subbed for one at a time.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 18, 2023 17:31:51 GMT -5
Announcer (Paraphrase)“ The Colgate team thought that was a bad call, as did the thousands in the stands.” 1096 On senior day for 6 multi championship players
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Post by hchoops on Feb 18, 2023 17:36:20 GMT -5
Caleb Kenney Career high 16 points, 8-11 FG, 5 rebounds, 3 steals, 1 foul in 18 minutes. I realize that this was not his average game, but perhaps his minutes should have been increased.all season. He offers the only size to help GG on offense, defense and rebounding. 17 mpg in PL games 22 mpg in all games
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 18, 2023 17:50:56 GMT -5
At one point in the 2nd half, we ran the same oob play 4 times in a row in about two minutes. I think each time it ended up being a lob into GG as he broke towards the foul line extended. I just don’t get it. They run that to get the ball inbounds and then run their sets..It is not designed to score..There is probably a dozen or more inbound situationsin each game, it is not practical to have different play to score every time, there are a lot more offensive possessions in a game..Save at least one play for a critical point in a game, like the one they ran at the end of the BU game for the winner...Every team practices these, but don't get to use them all the time...with scouting, the play that HC ran at the end of the BU game is now in all the opponents scouting report on HC...It was a different set up and play than they ran at any other time this season..The coaches did not just draw it up and run it, I'm pretty sure the team has run that play in practice, using the clock..
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 18, 2023 17:56:09 GMT -5
Caleb Kenney Career high 16 points, 8-11 FG, 5 rebounds, 3 steals, 1 foul in 18 minutes. I realize that this was not his average game, but perhaps his minutes should have been increased.all season. He offers the only size to help GG on offense, defense and rebounding. 17 mpg in PL games 22 mpg in all games He has improved his game as the season has progressed Today he even made a short jumper facing the hoop, a 10 footer..could be the deepest shot he has made all season! He seems more prepared on the offensive end to receive the ball and make a move with it...Early this season, he had a lot of passes go off his hands because he was not ready to catch the ball..I sure hope he continues to improve...
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Post by hchoops on Feb 18, 2023 18:01:53 GMT -5
Caleb Kenney Career high 16 points, 8-11 FG, 5 rebounds, 3 steals, 1 foul in 18 minutes. I realize that this was not his average game, but perhaps his minutes should have been increased.all season. He offers the only size to help GG on offense, defense and rebounding. 17 mpg in PL games 22 mpg in all games He has improved his game as the season has progressed Today he even made a short jumper facing the hoop, a 10 footer..could be the deepest shot he has made all season! He seems more prepared on the offensive end to receive the ball and make a move with it...Early this season, he had a lot of passes go off his hands because he was not ready to catch the ball..I sure hope he continues to improve... With all 5 starters averaging over 32 mpg in PL games, and no other viable front court sub, he should be playing more than 17 mpg. He certainly is not the only player to have a lot of passes go off his hands because they were not ready to catch the ball. I agree he has improved as the season has moved on. Yet his minutes have gone down. Illogical, especially considering our total lack of capable bench players, particularly in the front court.
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Post by efg72 on Feb 18, 2023 18:07:11 GMT -5
It was a seven point game when Gates and Dorsey went to the bench with 12:54 left Nelson has subbed 2 and sometimes 3 starters at the same time in second halves of competitive games. (I realize that today Dorsey was in foul trouble) It has usually resulted in a significant swing of points. I realize that starters need rest, but they could be subbed for one at a time. He is not a game coach- might be great with teaching 1-1, developing guard play, and works hard. Definition of an assistant not a head coach And yes a really nice man that keeps his distance from those that want to help, which of course is his prerogative Imagine if Sachs presented Colgate with the Willard match up zones how different today and the last four seasons might have been
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 18, 2023 18:07:33 GMT -5
So a D1 scholarship player is going to be applauded for for making a 10' J???
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 18, 2023 19:14:27 GMT -5
So a D1 scholarship player is going to be applauded for for making a 10' J??? If it is not in his usual game than it sure can be applauded! AND there is hope he can continue to improve!
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Post by timholycross on Feb 18, 2023 19:18:18 GMT -5
So a D1 scholarship player is going to be applauded for for making a 10' J??? If it is not in his usual game than it sure can be applauded! AND there is hope he can continue to improve! Did you not think Mr. J. Floyd contributed? Couldn't shoot much, start or end of career.
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 18, 2023 19:57:42 GMT -5
If it is not in his usual game than it sure can be applauded! AND there is hope he can continue to improve! Did you not think Mr. J. Floyd contributed? Couldn't shoot much, start or end of career. Of course he contributed, as did Keney today..If JF could have learned to hit a 15 footer he would be in the NBA...He got better every year he played. He had that tremendous run of consecutive made field goals. Almost all drives to the hoop left hand...He was an elite defender around the hoop, still is...I'll always remember coach Carmody talking about him when he was a freshman...""He couldn't shoot, couldn't defend 1v1, he would get beat off the dribble, and then sprint to the rim and block the shot!" We all applauded him as he got better and better and did more and more on the court!
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 19, 2023 5:27:46 GMT -5
Oddest thing to me was that they had to have a season high in assists with 21 (to 9 turnovers), and still lost by 23. In the end, didn't change anything in terms of their PL tournament hopes. The next 2 are far more important.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 19, 2023 5:29:08 GMT -5
Course Colgate had 30 assists!
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 19, 2023 8:36:08 GMT -5
I may be in the minority, but I don't there is this huge talent gap between Colgate and the rest of the PL (including HC). They fish from basically the same pond as the rest. Where I see differences:
1. Coaching/culture 2. They don't recruit better players/athletes (imho), but no one recruits better fits than they do. 3. Same deal with transfers (in terms of fit) - they don't bring them in in bunches, but the ones they get mesh in so well (OLD looks like he's been with them since day 1) 4. They don't lose guys early (before 4 years are up, so Nelly Cummings doesn't count - another great transfer fit, by the way).
Any team that wants to overtake them needs to close the gap with numbers 1 and 2.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 19, 2023 8:43:51 GMT -5
Colgate does recruit better shooters. You do not teach most players who are poor shooters to magically become the best shooting team in the country, though coaching can certainly help improve good shooters.
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Post by efg72 on Feb 19, 2023 8:47:11 GMT -5
Imho Colgate recruits appear to be fundamentally sound when they arrive and do get better over the four years. They also recruit to replace and fill needs. We recruit the best available players willing to commit.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 19, 2023 9:03:12 GMT -5
Colgate does recruit better shooters. You do not teach most players who are poor shooters to magically become the best shooting team in the country, though coaching can certainly help improve good shooters. I place that under my #2 (and #1 as well)
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 19, 2023 9:13:26 GMT -5
Ralph Willard didn't necessarily recruit top notch shooters, but he sure found guys that fit the style he wanted to play (and then coaching took over).
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 19, 2023 9:16:39 GMT -5
And this is one thing that confuses me about the CBN recruiting strategy: I can see where he likes/values guys that take it to the basket like Bo/Joe (and even GG as an attacking smaller post), but I really have no idea exactly what he wants/expects out of his biggest guys, based on the players he has brought in to date.
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Post by trimster on Feb 19, 2023 9:37:26 GMT -5
And this is one thing that confuses me about the CBN recruiting strategy: I can see where he likes/values guys that take it to the basket like Bo/Joe (and even GG as an attacking smaller post), but I really have no idea exactly what he wants/expects out of his biggest guys, based on the players he has brought in to date. My guess is for the first time in his career as a player and coach, he is associated with a basketball program where an Admissions Dept. is saying player x doesn’t meet our admissions standard and he is flummoxed by it. I doubt he recruited many players at Marquette, Marshall, Ball State and other stops along the way where he had to take a close look at their academic backgrounds. It’s much easier to put a roster together that functions well as a team at those places than HC.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 19, 2023 9:37:43 GMT -5
I may be in the minority, but I don't there is this huge talent gap between Colgate and the rest of the PL (including HC). They fish from basically the same pond as the rest. Where I see differences: 1. Coaching/culture 2. They don't recruit better players/athletes (imho), but no one recruits better fits than they do. 3. Same deal with transfers (in terms of fit) - they don't bring them in in bunches, but the ones they get mesh in so well (OLD looks like he's been with them since day 1) 4. They don't lose guys early (before 4 years are up, so Nelly Cummings doesn't count - another great transfer fit, by the way). Any team that wants to overtake them needs to close the gap with numbers 1 and 2. Agree that Colgate’s culture is far superior to just about every other program, but their talent is also much better, IMO. It seems like PL bigs across the board aren’t what they were years ago, but Records and Woodward are a legitimately good and skilled tandem. Their frosh PG already looks like he could be the best in the PL. Old man Richardson is a very complete player, minus free throw shooting. Lynch-Daniels a very solid role player and good shooter. Seems like everyone on that Colgate team knows the role they need to play (good coaching) and they’re far and away the most fundamentally sound team in the league. Hopefully they represent the PL and find a way to beat a three or four seed in the Tournament.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 19, 2023 9:40:00 GMT -5
Ralph Willard didn't necessarily recruit top notch shooters, but he sure found guys that fit the style he wanted to play (and then coaching took over). I always thought this was the one Achilles heel under RW, but he might not have been able to play the brand of defense he wanted to do finesse bigs and sharpshooting guards. Still think if we had that one guard who could knock down five triples in the blink of an eye, they’d have won a Tournament game.
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Post by trimster on Feb 19, 2023 9:41:36 GMT -5
And this is one thing that confuses me about the CBN recruiting strategy: I can see where he likes/values guys that take it to the basket like Bo/Joe (and even GG as an attacking smaller post), but I really have no idea exactly what he wants/expects out of his biggest guys, based on the players he has brought in to date. My guess is for the first time in his career as a player and coach, he is associated with a basketball program where an Admissions Dept. is saying player x doesn’t meet our admissions standard and he is flummoxed by it. I doubt he recruited many players at Marquette, Marshall, Ball State and other stops along the way where he had to take a close look at their academic backgrounds. It’s much easier to put a roster together that functions well as a team at those places than HC. Add Arkansas, Drake, Colorado State and VCU to the mix.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 19, 2023 9:43:33 GMT -5
Kevin Hamilton was a complete wing- shoot, pass, defend, rebound. He holds the 3 point single season record that Batch is soon to break
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 19, 2023 10:20:29 GMT -5
My guess is for the first time in his career as a player and coach, he is associated with a basketball program where an Admissions Dept. is saying player x doesn’t meet our admissions standard and he is flummoxed by it. I doubt he recruited many players at Marquette, Marshall, Ball State and other stops along the way where he had to take a close look at their academic backgrounds. It’s much easier to put a roster together that functions well as a team at those places than HC. Add Arkansas, Drake, Colorado State and VCU to the mix. Sometimes I wonder if he would have gotten the same consideration from Marcus Blossom had he been the 12th player on the those Florida squads.
Maybe the 12th player at a Rice/Vanderbilt/Stanford would have brought more to the table as a candidate.
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