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Post by trimster on Mar 1, 2023 7:58:41 GMT -5
Very impressive individual.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 1, 2023 8:14:12 GMT -5
My ophthalmologist played basketball at Yale in the late 70’s and is very close to the program and Coach Jones - I saw him recently and we talked abt HC’s likely opening - he imme talked abt how Kingsley would be a great fit - we should definitely check him out
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 1, 2023 8:14:12 GMT -5
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Post by hcmawfawo on Mar 1, 2023 8:22:32 GMT -5
What's the over/under on how many more hours/days/weeks Brett Nelson is the head basketball coach of The College of the Holy Cross? Similarly— what is the over/under on how long before the first call to fire KH after any action/decision announced — assuming he is not able to identify an individual that would meet unanimous CCC approval (HC connection, prior head coach, a born innate leader, winning record, no better existing or competing job prospect, flexible contract terms, gregarious and affable, portal immune, no questionable issue personally or by a player, knows Worcester and central Mass and New England but also can recruit in traditional HC territory — if possible born and raised in Jersey City). Maybe Draft Kings enables wagering on this — I would wager 10 minutes before the calls begin for HC to get an AD in that really understands the school and can atone for the mistaken MBB leadership decision for next year.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 1, 2023 8:25:30 GMT -5
For my clarification/instruction , is "associate head coach" the same as an assistant? Seems like more of an honorary title.
Sean Kearney was an "associate head coach" at ND for nine years.
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Post by sader81 on Mar 1, 2023 8:25:50 GMT -5
Lot of names thrown around. Some may be terrific pix, some terrible. I don’t envy our AD.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 1, 2023 8:34:57 GMT -5
What's the over/under on how many more hours/days/weeks Brett Nelson is the head basketball coach of The College of the Holy Cross? Similarly— what is the over/under on how long before the first call to fire KH after any action/decision announced — assuming he is not able to identify an individual that would meet unanimous CCC approval Predictably silly. Folks here will welcome the new coach and wish him luck. We all have our druthers and may wish our "guy" was the chosen one, but the results will determine whether the selection was a good one or not.
By which time - if recent history is a guide - it's more likely that KH will have skedaddled off to his next gig..
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Post by Ray on Mar 1, 2023 8:37:46 GMT -5
My ophthalmologist played basketball at Yale in the late 70’s and is very close to the program and Coach Jones - I saw him recently and we talked abt HC’s likely opening - he imme talked abt how Kingsley would be a great fit - we should definitely check him out If James Jones leaves Yale this year, he's probably the heir apparent there.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 1, 2023 8:44:28 GMT -5
What's the over/under on how many more hours/days/weeks Brett Nelson is the head basketball coach of The College of the Holy Cross? Similarly— what is the over/under on how long before the first call to fire KH after any action/decision announced — assuming he is not able to identify an individual that would meet unanimous CCC approval (HC connection, prior head coach, a born innate leader, winning record, no better existing or competing job prospect, flexible contract terms, gregarious and affable, portal immune, no questionable issue personally or by a player, knows Worcester and central Mass and New England but also can recruit in traditional HC territory — if possible born and raised in Jersey City). Maybe Draft Kings enables wagering on this — I would wager 10 minutes before the calls begin for HC to get an AD in that really understands the school and can atone for the mistaken MBB leadership decision for next year. Who would you hire? Assuming we decide not to keep, BN, of course.
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Post by hcmawfawo on Mar 1, 2023 8:49:38 GMT -5
Similarly— what is the over/under on how long before the first call to fire KH after any action/decision announced — assuming he is not able to identify an individual that would meet unanimous CCC approval Predictably silly. Folks here will welcome the new coach and wish him luck. We all have our druthers and may wish our "guy" was the chosen one, but the results will determine whether the selection was a good one or not.
By which time - if recent history is a guide - it's more likely that KH will have skedaddled off to his next gig..
Impressed with your ability to know that folks on the board will unanimously support the decision of ADKH. Sure doesn’t seem that way from scanning the pages and noting the various “druthers” expressed. What if the decision were made to retain BN? Feel the same way? Or is that a predictably silly question to ask? Not advocating for that mind you — as stated previously I trust those that actually have access to complete information as well as the responsibility to do the right thing for HC under the circumstances.
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Post by dharry13 on Mar 1, 2023 8:54:03 GMT -5
You didn’t answer the question. Who would you suggest instead of rambling on pointlessly.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 1, 2023 8:59:54 GMT -5
What's the over/under on how many more hours/days/weeks Brett Nelson is the head basketball coach of The College of the Holy Cross? Similarly— what is the over/under on how long before the first call to fire KH after any action/decision announced — assuming he is not able to identify an individual that would meet unanimous CCC approval (HC connection, prior head coach, a born innate leader, winning record, no better existing or competing job prospect, flexible contract terms, gregarious and affable, portal immune, no questionable issue personally or by a player, knows Worcester and central Mass and New England but also can recruit in traditional HC territory — if possible born and raised in Jersey City). Maybe Draft Kings enables wagering on this — I would wager 10 minutes before the calls begin for HC to get an AD in that really understands the school and can atone for the mistaken MBB leadership decision for next year. You're deflecting from the main issue here; namely, a change in leadership in the basketball program is mandatory.
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Post by hcmawfawo on Mar 1, 2023 9:09:39 GMT -5
You didn’t answer the question. Who would you suggest instead of rambling on pointlessly. I understand people like to put names forth and also advocate for and against suggestions. Good reading and learned a lot about people and programs and ties to HC. Believe me HC is not asking my opinion and I am not making suggestions to KH — although some here have and should to be sure the college considers all options. My point is that with 30 plus names floating about the chances of falling behind HC’s decision lockstep is nil. Am sure KH or any AD understands that.
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Post by classof83 on Mar 1, 2023 9:10:56 GMT -5
For me I think for me I am less concerned with the name and more concerned with a background of success despite limitations. We all know the PL and HC impose limitations that other programs don't have to deal with. A coach that knows how to overcome self-imposed limitations is a huge factor in my mind. I am in the camp that thinks the BN is probably a good coach but had limited understanding of the athletes the Patriot League can attract and was not a good fit.. A new coach needs to relate to today's type of student athlete coming out of high school and be a strong communicator - I sense that may be Coach Chesney's greatest trait. I don't think BN is a great communicator.
I look at a player like Jeff Woodward at Colgate. I get the sense that BN would never recruit a player like Woodward because he does not fit the mold of a player they have seen from their experience that can play, but this kid killed us in the two games we played against Colgate. That is why I am hesitant of hiring a coach(whether an assistant or former head coach) from a major program. They will come in hoping to recruit a type of player they have seen in their experience but the player doesn't fit in the PL or won't stick around. Of course, taking the big name former head coach or assistant from a major program is less risky for KH. KH really needs to do his homework on the next coach (if it happens).
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Post by dharry13 on Mar 1, 2023 9:19:21 GMT -5
Personally for me the model works better of someone who has won at a high level regardless of what level. It proves to me the individual creates a solid culture because you can’t win without that. So for my two cents - give me a proven high level winner and fingers crossed he can identify the talent and players to create that culture at HC. And then that guy hire top notch recruiters who can get talent from NJ and NY.
I’d prefer a guy from around the Northeast who is aware of HCs once proud tradition.
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Post by Ray on Mar 1, 2023 9:24:57 GMT -5
You didn’t answer the question. Who would you suggest instead of rambling on pointlessly. My point is that with 30 plus names floating about the chances of falling behind HC’s decision lockstep is nil. Am sure KH or any AD understands that. There were pro and con opinions about the Chesney hire when it was first announced. I think over time this entire board has fallen in lockstep with that decision. Winning creates unity... not that we have much recent experience with that on the basketball side.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 1, 2023 9:25:35 GMT -5
What's the over/under on how many more hours/days/weeks Brett Nelson is the head basketball coach of The College of the Holy Cross? Similarly— what is the over/under on how long before the first call to fire KH after any action/decision announced — assuming he is not able to identify an individual that would meet unanimous CCC approval (HC connection, prior head coach, a born innate leader, winning record, no better existing or competing job prospect, flexible contract terms, gregarious and affable, portal immune, no questionable issue personally or by a player, knows Worcester and central Mass and New England but also can recruit in traditional HC territory — if possible born and raised in Jersey City). Maybe Draft Kings enables wagering on this — I would wager 10 minutes before the calls begin for HC to get an AD in that really understands the school and can atone for the mistaken MBB leadership decision for next year. Exceellent list of the many factors that make us such an unreasonable group of HC fans, You've exposed our myriad shortcomings
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Post by Ignutz on Mar 1, 2023 9:29:19 GMT -5
Very impressive individual. If I'm going to take an Assistant Coach with this type of resume, I'd prefer Luke Murray (UConn) or Christian Webster (Virginia Tech) - giving the edge between these options to Webster based on his Harvard playing and coaching experience..
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 1, 2023 9:46:48 GMT -5
Our friends on the Bucknell board are engaged in a similar discussion. Since, as some have noted, we are fishing from the same pond, there's a lot of overlap candidates. But also others not noted here worth thinking about. boards.basketball-u.com/showtopic.php?tid/27083/
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 1, 2023 9:51:29 GMT -5
Quickly perused those names.
Nat Graham is a name that was surfaced on this board a while ago. Can't recall when he was being discussed as a potential candidate.
John Griffin is interesting. Comes from a basketball rich and coaching family (dad was a longtime coach). He might not be a suitable hire for some given his playing days at Bucknell.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 1, 2023 10:22:21 GMT -5
Is there any track record of Ivy assistants having success leaving the Ivy bubble to run their own program? I worry about the names from the endless "Chesney 2.0" list of D3 head coaches from the CCC never having operated with scholarship limitations + the transfer portal, but at least those guys found success running their own program. Life as an assistant in the Ivy league is very different than running your own pL program -- you don't have to make decisions, you can "offer" an endless list of academically qualified recruits, the brand of the school basically sells itself, and many of the head coaches in the league are not exactly X's & O's wizards. Spending the entirety of your D1 tenure working on the same staff for James Jones feels very similar to what FHCSK was doing with Brey @ ND. Brian Earl is one example of an Ivy assistant becoming a head coach elsewhere, but he stayed in the bubble at Cornell, and has a .437 winning percentage over 6 seasons with 0 Ivy records > .500.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 1, 2023 10:27:54 GMT -5
Is there any track record of Ivy assistants having success leaving the Ivy bubble to run their own program? I worry about the names from the endless "Chesney 2.0" list of D3 head coaches from the CCC never having operated with scholarship limitations + the transfer portal, but at least those guys found success running their own program. Life as an assistant in the Ivy league is very different than running your own pL program -- you don't have to make decisions, you can "offer" an endless list of academically qualified recruits, the brand of the school basically sells itself, and many of the head coaches in the league are not exactly X's & O's wizards. Spending the entirety of your D1 tenure working on the same staff for James Jones feels very similar to what FHCSK was doing with Brey @ ND. Brian Earl is one example of an Ivy assistant becoming a head coach elsewhere, but he stayed in the bubble at Cornell, and has a .437 winning percentage over 6 seasons with 0 Ivy records > .500. I did kind of like the Harvard guy (now at Va Tech) who was there when they were a lot better than they are now. Reinforces my belief that Tommy Amaker has won in spite of himself.
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Post by hc17 on Mar 1, 2023 10:35:58 GMT -5
Is there any track record of Ivy assistants having success leaving the Ivy bubble to run their own program? I worry about the names from the endless "Chesney 2.0" list of D3 head coaches from the CCC never having operated with scholarship limitations + the transfer portal, but at least those guys found success running their own program. Life as an assistant in the Ivy league is very different than running your own pL program -- you don't have to make decisions, you can "offer" an endless list of academically qualified recruits, the brand of the school basically sells itself, and many of the head coaches in the league are not exactly X's & O's wizards. Spending the entirety of your D1 tenure working on the same staff for James Jones feels very similar to what FHCSK was doing with Brey @ ND. Brian Earl is one example of an Ivy assistant becoming a head coach elsewhere, but he stayed in the bubble at Cornell, and has a .437 winning percentage over 6 seasons with 0 Ivy records > .500. I did kind of like the Harvard guy (now at Va Tech) who was there when they were a lot better than they are now. Reinforces my belief that Tommy Amaker has won in spite of himself. If you're going down the IVY assistant list...probably need to take a look at Eskildsen: ramblinwreck.com/coach/brian-eskildsen-2-2/
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Post by WCHC Sports on Mar 1, 2023 10:40:26 GMT -5
I've got to say, the posts here and across basically every thread for the last 4 months have felt a LOT like spitting into the wind. What guarantee do we have that BN will be gone? The more this echo chamber talks about it, the more I feel like we're just setting ourselves up for disappointment. Has HC Basketball just beaten me down that badly?
Second, what is this equivalency that a new coach will be successful? (He can't be much worse, WCHC Sports, you will say) Well he could be, in an absolute disaster. Or he could be just as bad. This team hasn't been a consistent winner in what, 16 or 17 years? We've had a few coaches, and a lot of players through the turnstiles. I get it that conjecture season is in full effect for the next nine months, but look at the situation. Will we keep our best player (graduation)? No. Will we keep depth? Oh, my coach is dismissed so now I have to transfer. We didn't even have depth. This is what being a Jets fan feels like. Poor culture, poor management, rotating through coaches and personnel like change will just magically bring about results, instead of deliberate and consistent procedures and improvement.
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Post by bikeman on Mar 1, 2023 10:42:40 GMT -5
If they really are going to fire coach Nelson, why haven’t they yet? Should’ve been done at 8 this morning.
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