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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 3, 2023 8:51:15 GMT -5
If for financial or other reasons Holy Cross chooses to continue with Brett Nelson as the head coach, are there ways to restructure the contract in ways favorable to Holy Cross or to incentivize performance?
Ideas?
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hc99
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Post by hc99 on Mar 3, 2023 9:00:29 GMT -5
Make Coach Nelson pay the school for every loss lol Double if he loses to a DIII school
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 3, 2023 9:10:09 GMT -5
If Holy Cross doesn't eat whatever is left in Nelson's contract, it's crystal clear they don't care about this program and football is now king in Worcester.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 3, 2023 9:13:10 GMT -5
Alternatively, could double the number of D3 games, because a win is a win. More wins, more fun for everyone!
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 3, 2023 9:14:02 GMT -5
Bonus kicks in if players play hard in 85% of the losses (25 loss maximum).
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 3, 2023 9:16:21 GMT -5
Re-brand Holy Cross basketball to show would-be recruits the flexibility of matriculating here, consistent with the new "strategic vision."
"Holy Cross - Gateway to Cleveland State."
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 3, 2023 9:20:55 GMT -5
You guys slay me.....as I weep.
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hc99
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Post by hc99 on Mar 3, 2023 9:21:17 GMT -5
When do the protests outside of the Hart Center start?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 3, 2023 9:24:30 GMT -5
If for financial or other reasons Holy Cross chooses to continue with Brett Nelson as the head coach, are there ways to restructure the contract in ways favorable to Holy Cross or to incentivize performance?
Ideas?
Football is more important to HC than men's hoops. At Bucknell, the opposite is true. Assuming, HC is unwilling to bite the bullet and buy out the remaining, period on BN's existing contract, there would need to be some consideration offered by the College to change the contract terms. Not worth doing if there is one year remaining. Two or more years remaining, one could financially incentivize performance, and if the performance goal was not achieved, then terminate the remaining year(s) on the contract. {<<< Those who have taken a course on contracts much more recently than I can correct me.) Of course, alumni and fans could buy out the contract. That is not unheard of elsewhere, but somehow, I don't think that's happening on Mt. St. James. |
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Post by wstruz71 on Mar 3, 2023 9:27:20 GMT -5
When do the protests outside of the Hart Center start? Students are currently protesting at Connecticut College in New London. They have occupied the administration building since Sunday evening. Even some faculty members have joined in on the protesting. Maybe the die hard basketball fans can do the same at Holy Cross. How about occupying Brett Nelson's office? LOL |
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Post by hchoops on Mar 3, 2023 9:28:44 GMT -5
The title of this great was scary
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Mar 3, 2023 9:34:02 GMT -5
Some of the funniest stuff I've seen in a while; hope it is not gallows humor.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 3, 2023 9:36:32 GMT -5
If Holy Cross doesn't eat whatever is left in Nelson's contract, it's crystal clear they don't care about this program and football is now king in Worcester. You are right about football being KING. The clue on where hoops stands was FCBG, where HC let the contract run out, and left FCBG to claim 'age discrimination' inter alia that the contract wasn't renewed. HC didn't have to buy-out RW, but IIRC, they had to unexpectedly fork over a large pot of deferred compensation. SK was next, another buyout, right? MB, another buyout? TPTB aren't continuing to piss away money on buyouts of the head coach of men's hoops. Thee College has zero to show for the past buyouts. |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 3, 2023 9:56:05 GMT -5
The price of having these carpet bagger, career climber, young wiper snapper ADs who are more concerned with their next job than actually making HC successful.
Hughes has an easy out right now saying his hands are tied on basketball vs stepping up to the plate and putting a firing + hiring decision under his name.
Did he invest too much Fenwick capital into procuring his ridiculous AVP title? Dunno.
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Post by trimster on Mar 3, 2023 10:02:21 GMT -5
We really have no idea what is going on, if anything, behind the curtain but I guess that is what makes talk shows and message boards tick.
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Post by Tom on Mar 3, 2023 10:10:59 GMT -5
Starting at the beginning. Yes. There are ways to restructure the contract. However, because a contract is an agreement between two parties, both parties would have to agree to it. From a practical standpoint, nothing would be restructured that was favorable to HC unless there was something else favorable to Coach Nelson. Otherwise, what incentive would there be for Coach Nelson to agree to the change.
Technically speaking, I don't think the school bought out Coach Kearney. The school lived up to it's part of the contract and paid him his salary normally, just like he was still the head coach, and did so through the life of the contract.
Coach Brown was bought out. Whether there was some buyout language in the original contract or something both parties agreed to after the fact, I don't know. I can assume the buyout was for a lesser amount than his salary because the school would have no incentive to release him from the contract if they had to pay his full salary. On the other hand, we know he was released from his contract because he was coaching somewhere else the next season
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 3, 2023 10:11:40 GMT -5
The price of having these carpet bagger, career climber, young wiper snapper ADs who are more concerned with their next job than actually making HC successful. Hughes has an easy out right now saying his hands are tied on basketball vs stepping up to the plate and putting a firing + hiring decision under his name. Did he invest too much Fenwick capital into procuring his ridiculous AVP title? Dunno. It is not his choice. Buyouts of this magnitude are approved by the BoT, and they may not be much interested in hueing to the demands of a vociferous but penurious fan base. And a rather small one at that. If you are a significant donor to HC men's basketball, why not write to KH directly and ask him what can be done about improving men's hoops, and how might alums help in that regard? It strikes me that if Crossports posters are only today becoming aware there could be multi-years remaining on BN's contract, they are badly out of touch with what's happening in Luth. |
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Post by crusader99 on Mar 3, 2023 10:18:26 GMT -5
Interesting drama playing out. If BN is retained, looks like ADKH does not have full control of the athletics. If I were him, my agent would be in close contact.
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Post by dadominate on Mar 3, 2023 10:32:09 GMT -5
Re-brand Holy Cross basketball to show would-be recruits the flexibility of matriculating here, consistent with the new "strategic vision." "Holy Cross - Gateway to Cleveland State." you've been on a roll  ! |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 3, 2023 10:42:19 GMT -5
The price of having these carpet bagger, career climber, young wiper snapper ADs who are more concerned with their next job than actually making HC successful. Hughes has an easy out right now saying his hands are tied on basketball vs stepping up to the plate and putting a firing + hiring decision under his name. Did he invest too much Fenwick capital into procuring his ridiculous AVP title? Dunno. It is not his choice. Buyouts of this magnitude are approved by the BoT, and they may not be much interested in hueing to the demands of a vociferous but penurious fan base. And a rather small one at that. If you are a significant donor to HC men's basketball, why not write to KH directly and ask him what can be done about improving men's hoops, and how might alums help in that regard? It strikes me that if Crossports posters are only today becoming aware there could be multi-years remaining on BN's contract, they are badly out of touch with what's happening in Luth. While maybe it’s not technically his job on paper, the role of an AD that wants to win is to round up alumni support around key initiatives to do so. That includes fundraising for facilities, coaching salaries, contract buyouts, etc. Raising the money and momentum for a buyout from a prominent group of supporters essentially takes the decision out of the BOT’s hands. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 3, 2023 10:44:35 GMT -5
Interesting drama playing out. If BN is retained, looks like ADKH does not have full control of the athletics. If I were him, my agent would be in close contact. He never did. There is an Athletics Committee on the Board of Trustees. That committee oversees the athletic program. The Board of Trustees is a corporation, and runs the college. KH is an employee of the corporation, and not a member of the Board of Trustees. The current head of the athletics committee is an investment banker in Boston, and a HC graduate. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 3, 2023 10:47:48 GMT -5
Interesting drama playing out. If BN is retained, looks like ADKH does not have full control of the athletics. If I were him, my agent would be in close contact. He never did. There is an Athletics Committee on the Board of Trustees. That committee oversees the athletic program. The Board of Trustees is a corporation, and runs the college. KH is an employee of the corporation, and not a member of the Board of Trustees. The current head of the athletics committee is an investment banker in Boston, and a HC graduate. At many big time FBS schools, the football coach makes more than the AD....I believe this is true at even UMass. Tough to have an AD making a decision on a football coach who is making multiple times more than him. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 3, 2023 10:48:02 GMT -5
It is not his choice. Buyouts of this magnitude are approved by the BoT, and they may not be much interested in hueing to the demands of a vociferous but penurious fan base. And a rather small one at that. If you are a significant donor to HC men's basketball, why not write to KH directly and ask him what can be done about improving men's hoops, and how might alums help in that regard? It strikes me that if Crossports posters are only today becoming aware there could be multi-years remaining on BN's contract, they are badly out of touch with what's happening in Luth. While maybe it’s not technically his job on paper, the role of an AD that wants to win is to round up alumni support around key initiatives to do so. That includes fundraising for facilities, coaching salaries, contract buyouts, etc. Raising the money and momentum for a buyout from a prominent group of supporters essentially takes the decision out of the BOT’s hands. Who might these prominent and well-heeled group of supporters be? Any names. If you were to ask KH the names of such supporters for football, he could rattle oiff a few names. Possibly for men's ice hockey too, and a few other sports, excluding hoops, apparently. |
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Post by hc87 on Mar 3, 2023 10:50:10 GMT -5
This, more and more, has the feel and stink of the football program after the 2016 season/debacle at Yankee Stadium.
I'm expecting my "apology letter" email any minute now.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 3, 2023 11:02:25 GMT -5
He never did. There is an Athletics Committee on the Board of Trustees. That committee oversees the athletic program. The Board of Trustees is a corporation, and runs the college. KH is an employee of the corporation, and not a member of the Board of Trustees. The current head of the athletics committee is an investment banker in Boston, and a HC graduate. At many big time FBS schools, the football coach makes more than the AD....I believe this is true at even UMass. Tough to have an AD making a decision on a football coach who is making multiple times more than him. At many of the big FBS public schools, the athletic program is run by a corporation independent of the Board of Trustees. This is done because coaches and other athletic department employees receive more compensation than is allowed by state law for a state employee. The coaches are employees of the Association, and the BoT has no or little say in their hiring/firing. See, for example: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Florida_Athletic_AssociationUniv of Florida Athletic Association even pays for the tutors so athletes stay academically eligible. When Harvard hired Amaker, his compensation package exceeded Harvard's rules for how much money a Harvard employee could be paid. Generous alums paid the difference, which was fine by Harvard. AFAIK, these alums are still paying the difference. His wife, who, IIRC, has a doctorate in psychology, is employed by a Harvard-affiliated hospital. Her affiliation, and salary, may have been a deal-breaker when several other schools were chasing Amaker. |
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