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Post by HC92 on Mar 4, 2023 0:08:33 GMT -5
Maybe Kit had a copy of the original contract and the amended one was filed with Human Resources or something. It's unlikely but why else would everything get held up by a covid extension if everyone knew about it already? Something definitely off but I don’t think it’s that Kit had the wrong contract unless things are more bleeped up at HC than I thought.
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Post by crusader99 on Mar 4, 2023 6:49:11 GMT -5
If Nelson is going to be let go, I can see no reason why it hasn’t happened by now. Perhaps the title of this thread was prophetic. The drift appears to possibly be when Kit lowered the boom, Coach noted his Covid extension and it was like pulling a rabbit out of a hat, catching Kit and TPTB flat footed. Could FADMB have given the extra year to BN with little fanfare (it was Covid after all, the world stopped for a while) and between transitioning Presidents, ADs, Interim ADs, Board Athletic chairs etc., nobody currently in office picked up on this legally binding amendment? Maybe this weekend everybody is scrambling to find an unsuspecting Peter to rob to pay Paul (Bret) an extra 350K to get this cluster---- done and go on to win the next press conference. Geez, if that’s true, and management of Athletics is a function of a BOT member, then private sector success may not translate into over seeing college athletics and ADKH should sharpen his own contract terms to give him more authority over these types of decisions. .
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Post by dadominate on Mar 4, 2023 7:02:40 GMT -5
Maybe Kit had a copy of the original contract and the amended one was filed with Human Resources or something. It's unlikely but why else would everything get held up by a covid extension if everyone knew about it already? Something definitely off but I don’t think it’s that Kit had the wrong contract unless things are more bleeped up at HC than I thought. little would surprise me with respect to how bleeped up HC is these days. i barely recognize HC from when i graduated - that is admittedly nearly a quarter century ago... but still - with all of the ridiculous pandering to woke causes that conflict with the catholic identity that i sought in a school and was once proud of as an alumnus. i have at least respected the rare commitment at hc to the true student-athlete mission of the athletic programs. if they will not expend a few hundred thousand dollars of a billion dollar endowment on our sport with the greatest potential for visibility, i have to wonder how much hc sports is worth investing my time and energy. i appreciate the commitment to chesney, which was a fantastic move on many levels. but this basketball program is on life support right now, as expressed by even our rabid base here on crossports has had enough and is vowing not to renew season tickets if a change in leadership isn't made. as i have noted often, i wish nelson well, but it is in everyone's best interest (including his own) to part ways and start over again. doing so will invigorate the program and give us at least a chance of becoming successful again.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 4, 2023 7:46:41 GMT -5
Maybe Kit had a copy of the original contract and the amended one was filed with Human Resources or something. They are looking into this, but Kit's still settling in. Trust the process.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 4, 2023 8:02:04 GMT -5
Interns coming in this weekend to assist with the search.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 4, 2023 8:08:12 GMT -5
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Post by trimster on Mar 4, 2023 8:21:14 GMT -5
If Nelson is going to be let go, I can see no reason why it hasn’t happened by now. Perhaps the title of this thread was prophetic. The drift appears to possibly be when Kit lowered the boom, Coach noted his Covid extension and it was like pulling a rabbit out of a hat, catching Kit and TPTB flat footed. Could FADMB have given the extra year to BN with little fanfare (it was Covid after all, the world stopped for a while) and between transitioning Presidents, ADs, Interim ADs, Board Athletic chairs etc., nobody currently in office picked up on this legally binding amendment? Maybe this weekend everybody is scrambling to find an unsuspecting Peter to rob to pay Paul (Bret) an extra 350K to get this cluster---- done and go on to win the next press conference. Entirely plausible.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 4, 2023 8:32:01 GMT -5
I don't find it plausible at all. There's no way the prior AD added a year to BN's contract and the current AD and TPTB are unaware of it. 0% chance.
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Post by trimster on Mar 4, 2023 8:34:41 GMT -5
I don't find it plausible at all. There's no way the prior AD added a year to BN's contract and the current AD and TPTB are unaware of it. 0% chance. So what’s the holdup?
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Post by Ray on Mar 4, 2023 8:37:39 GMT -5
I don't find it plausible at all. There's no way the prior AD added a year to BN's contract and the current AD and TPTB are unaware of it. 0% chance. Agreed. We've officially crossed over into silly season here.
But, circling back to an earlier point... this is why, whatever the move-forward plan is, ADKH is going to need to issue a public statement. We've devolved to this level of unlikely scenario in just three days of no news... imagine what utter ridiculousness we'll be considering by summer?
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 4, 2023 8:40:09 GMT -5
I don't find it plausible at all. There's no way the prior AD added a year to BN's contract and the current AD and TPTB are unaware of it. 0% chance. So what’s the holdup? 1. They're not firing him. 2. KH is discussing with TPTB where to find the money to pay for the rest of BN's contract. 3. There is language in BN's contract or circumstances that permit a buy-out, and KH and BN are discussing how much it will be. 4. They're teeing up a potential new coach and want to time the hiring right to avoid a gap in the head coach position 5. BN has asked KH to delay the announcement for several days for some reason. 6. KH needed a little time to speak with the players. 7. TBD
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Post by spenser on Mar 4, 2023 8:57:03 GMT -5
1. They're not firing him. 2. KH is discussing with TPTB where to find the money to pay for the rest of BN's contract. 3. There is language in BN's contract or circumstances that permit a buy-out, and KH and BN are discussing how much it will be. 4. They're teeing up a potential new coach and want to time the hiring right to avoid a gap in the head coach position 5. BN has asked KH to delay the announcement for several days for some reason. 6. KH needed a little time to speak with the players. 7. TBD My feeling is that there’s something in that contract, like the extra year that may have been added due to COVID or whatever that they are negotiating with Nelson’s agent. I’m sure that they knew about whatever it might be before the end of the season, but it’s now in the negotiation phase and I doubt if they would start the actual negotiations until the end of the season. The only negotiation during the season is for an extension, not a termination. At least usually. Just a guess.
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Post by hcmawfawo on Mar 4, 2023 9:07:48 GMT -5
The following can all be true:
1. The dreadful cumulative W-L record of HCBN does not reflect the commitment to excellence fundamental to the HC community.
2. Those actually entrusted and empowered to do something about the above have access to information and considerations not available here.
3 The decision many think is obvious (“mandatory”) now may not actually be deemed in the best immediate and/or long term interest of the program or HC for a variety of reasons not known here.
4. If given full access to the same set of information and considerations people might agree or disagree. Thankfully, like any significant entity, HC has a governance process in place designed to help reach sounds decisions. Not a flawless system but definitely not dependent on one person.
5. The lack of communication from HC allows rumors to flourish and distrust to build. As others have noted whatever decision is made needs to be communicated and explained. Even with an explanation some will find a disagreeable decision inexplicable. The merits of that decision will be tested soon enough
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Post by sader1998 on Mar 4, 2023 9:20:24 GMT -5
1. They're not firing him. 2. KH is discussing with TPTB where to find the money to pay for the rest of BN's contract. 3. There is language in BN's contract or circumstances that permit a buy-out, and KH and BN are discussing how much it will be. 4. They're teeing up a potential new coach and want to time the hiring right to avoid a gap in the head coach position 5. BN has asked KH to delay the announcement for several days for some reason. 6. KH needed a little time to speak with the players. 7. TBD I suspect it's either No. 1 or a combination of Nos. 2/3. I strongly suspect the latter. KH is not deaf to the fanbase discontent. If he has an intern take a look at Crossports, there is unanimity in the desire to dismiss BN, which is amazing because this board doesn't agree on anything. Plus, KH has seen the ineptitude up close, not just in terms of wins/losses but also with all the empty seats in the Hart Center. Some have noted that this situation is ripe for a "mutual parting of the ways." Logically, it would appear so. But BN, for all his faults and ineptitude as a head coach, is a competitor. He probably wants to see this thing through to some level of success. And if the College won't let him, he's going to want every dime still owed to him. I initially thought BN would be fired by noon Wednesday. That he hasn't been yet leads me to suspect he actually has 2 years left on his deal (thanks to a Covid add-on year). If only there were any local reporters who could look into what is going on.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 4, 2023 11:02:23 GMT -5
Below is an excerpt from Xmassader's post supra.
Following the 2006-07 season, HC men's hoops has had one season where the team won 20 or more games, that was under Milan Brown in 2013-14, and 15 seasons with less than 20 wins. That's 15 of 16 seasons, spanning five coaches.
One can go back further, and Raynor never won 20 or more games in five seasons. And RW, the one coach who did have success, showed zero loyalty to HC, even after DR gave him two hats to boost his compensation. What assurance can KH and Chair Flaherty give the BoT that the coach who succeeds BN will end the streak, explain why will he succeed, and how many years do they give him to do so? Otherwise, HC is back on the carousel in 3 or 4 years, without fixing the underlying issues, whatever they may be.
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Post by Bleed Purple on Mar 4, 2023 11:41:37 GMT -5
1. They're not firing him. 2. KH is discussing with TPTB where to find the money to pay for the rest of BN's contract. 3. There is language in BN's contract or circumstances that permit a buy-out, and KH and BN are discussing how much it will be. 4. They're teeing up a potential new coach and want to time the hiring right to avoid a gap in the head coach position 5. BN has asked KH to delay the announcement for several days for some reason. 6. KH needed a little time to speak with the players. 7. TBD I suspect it's either No. 1 or a combination of Nos. 2/3. I strongly suspect the latter. KH is not deaf to the fanbase discontent. If he has an intern take a look at Crossports, there is unanimity in the desire to dismiss BN, which is amazing because this board doesn't agree on anything. Plus, KH has seen the ineptitude up close, not just in terms of wins/losses but also with all the empty seats in the Hart Center. Some have noted that this situation is ripe for a "mutual parting of the ways." Logically, it would appear so. But BN, for all his faults and ineptitude as a head coach, is a competitor. He probably wants to see this thing through to some level of success. And if the College won't let him, he's going to want every dime still owed to him. I initially thought BN would be fired by noon Wednesday. That he hasn't been yet leads me to suspect he actually has 2 years left on his deal (thanks to a Covid add-on year). If only there were any local reporters who could look into what is going on. If it were 2/3, in a well run organization wouldn't those details have been worked out in advance of the last game so that an announcement could be made on Wed? I hope they did not wait until Wed morning to make their decision and only then start to sort out the details and start negotiations. Those discussions should have all occurred in the days prior to the last game, imho. With a high profile termination, HR, Legal, PR and CEO are always involved, particularly when the termination is foreseen.
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Post by Ray on Mar 4, 2023 11:43:53 GMT -5
Below is an excerpt from Xmassader's post supra. What assurance can KH and Chair Flaherty give the BoT that the coach who succeeds BN will end the streak, explain why will he succeed, and how many years do they give him to do so? Otherwise, HC is back on the carousel in 3 or 4 years, without fixing the underlying issues, whatever they may be. You point to the Luth, you point to Chesney, you point to Pres. Rougeau, you point to the new-ish leadership in the admissions office, and say "our hoops program is a dumpster fire. Five years ago, the same was in true in football. Today we are competing at the highest level in FCS, and feel free to talk to Coach Chesney about the level of institutional support he has received to get to that point. We're ready to provide the same backing to our new basketball coach, and the turnaround shouldn't take as long... you can mold the roster faster in hoops, and the league is at a low point. Three years from now, we should be the preeminent program in the PL, just as we are in football. Take us there. Oh, and here's 500k a year for five years."
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Post by cmo on Mar 4, 2023 12:54:35 GMT -5
Below is an excerpt from Xmassader's post supra. What assurance can KH and Chair Flaherty give the BoT that the coach who succeeds BN will end the streak, explain why will he succeed, and how many years do they give him to do so? Otherwise, HC is back on the carousel in 3 or 4 years, without fixing the underlying issues, whatever they may be. You point to the Luth, you point to Chesney, you point to Pres. Rougeau, you point to the new-ish leadership in the admissions office, and say "our hoops program is a dumpster fire. Five years ago, the same was in true in football. Today we are competing at the highest level in FCS, and feel free to talk to Coach Chesney about the level of institutional support he has received to get to that point. We're ready to provide the same backing to our new basketball coach, and the turnaround shouldn't take as long... you can mold the roster faster in hoops, and the league is at a low point. Three years from now, we should be the preeminent program in the PL, just as we are in football. Take us there. Oh, and here's 500k a year for five years." I’m now ready to run through a wall. Or at least into a wall.
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