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Post by jaredcurry on Mar 6, 2023 14:28:03 GMT -5
The call today was an absolute waste of time. Kit, “appreciated the passion for the school and the program, but would not get into specifics about plans.”
This guy is clearly interested in nothing but his next job, and I am completely convinced that there will not be a coaching change. Let me know when the school starts hiring winners again (Holy Cross People).
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 6, 2023 14:30:54 GMT -5
Keenly disappointing
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Post by trimster on Mar 6, 2023 14:42:04 GMT -5
I wouldn't expect an AD to divulge much to a former player on a phone call with the possible exception of people named Smith or Luth and even then, he or she might speak vaguely. The AD listened to the feelings of a former player and cataloged them. I don't view it as a waste of time.
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Post by hc1998 on Mar 6, 2023 14:45:29 GMT -5
I would have expected nothing less...unless an announcement was very imminent (and by imminent, I mean Hughes was on the call while walking to the press conference), then perhaps he would have teased something...but it doesn't surprise me that he got generic answers, especially after an earlier promise here to share the contents of the call.
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Post by trimster on Mar 6, 2023 14:46:29 GMT -5
If it's status quo heading into next season, season ticket holders will have a chance to voice their thoughts. The thing is, HC has lost so many season ticket holders over the years, I don't know if it will matter. I would love to know how many season tickets have been sold over the last 10 years on a year by year basis.
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Post by trimster on Mar 6, 2023 14:49:40 GMT -5
I would have expected nothing less...unless an announcement was very imminent (and by imminent, I mean Hughes was on the call while walking to the press conference), then perhaps he would have teased something...but it doesn't surprise me that he got generic answers, especially after an earlier promise here to share the contents of the call. I thought the same thing on your latter point although today, you have to assume anything you do or say could appear on Twitter or Facebook or a message board for that matter, in a matter of minutes.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 6, 2023 14:52:32 GMT -5
Coach Nelson must have quite a recruiting class coming in if he convinced KH he is up to the job going forward (i.e. 2 more players who are unnamed as of now)
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 6, 2023 14:53:52 GMT -5
The call today was an absolute waste of time. Kit, “appreciated the passion for the school and the program, but would not get into specifics about plans.” This guy is clearly interested in nothing but his next job, and I am completely convinced that there will not be a coaching change. Let me know when the school starts hiring winners again (Holy Cross People). So much winning at Holy Cross with five NCAA appearances in 30 seasons.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 6, 2023 14:54:45 GMT -5
The only place I see prediction of a pending coaching change is here on Crossports. Posters have stated again and again with great confidence that a change was coming ASAP. That is not what is coming from TPTB. From what i see/hear, ADKH is being professional and is aware of the situation. I believe he has more information than a typical poster and will act on what he knows and believes best for HC and the team. I also believe a personal attack on him (that he is "interested in nothing but his next job") is unwarranted and says more about the passionate feelings of the poster than anything about ADKH.
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Post by jaredcurry on Mar 6, 2023 15:07:09 GMT -5
The call today was an absolute waste of time. Kit, “appreciated the passion for the school and the program, but would not get into specifics about plans.” This guy is clearly interested in nothing but his next job, and I am completely convinced that there will not be a coaching change. Let me know when the school starts hiring winners again (Holy Cross People). So much winning at Holy Cross with five NCAA appearances in 30 seasons. Ralph Willard (Holy Cross) Dick Regan (Holy Cross)
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Post by Tom on Mar 6, 2023 15:20:28 GMT -5
The only place I see prediction of a pending coaching change is here on Crossports. Posters have stated again and again with great confidence that a change was coming ASAP. That is not what is coming from TPTB. From what i see/hear, ADKH is being professional and is aware of the situation. I believe he has more information than a typical poster and will act on what he knows and believes best for HC and the team. I also believe a personal attack on him (that he is "interested in nothing but his next job") is unwarranted and says more about the poassionate feelings of the poster than anything about ADKH. I think I saw a link here to some self proclaimed mid major expert that said Coach Nelson was on the hot seat. Obviously a hot seat is not the same as the unemployment line
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Post by Ignutz on Mar 6, 2023 15:22:53 GMT -5
If it's status quo heading into next season, season ticket holders will have a chance to voice their thoughts. The thing is, HC has lost so many season ticket holders over the years, I don't know if it will matter. I would love to know how many season tickets have been sold over the last 10 years on a year by year basis. Versus how many Football season tickets have been purchased over the past five years. A winning product on the field, the floor or the ice will put fannies in the seats, and could open opportunities for money games. Those positives would "repay" any buy-out in short order.
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Post by sader1998 on Mar 6, 2023 15:25:03 GMT -5
The call today was an absolute waste of time. Kit, “appreciated the passion for the school and the program, but would not get into specifics about plans.” This guy is clearly interested in nothing but his next job, and I am completely convinced that there will not be a coaching change. Let me know when the school starts hiring winners again (Holy Cross People). If Kit did not say affirmatively that BN would be coming back, then I suspect a buyout is in the works. To me, the "not get into specifics about plans" is the tell. If Kit supported BN's continued tenure, I'd imagine he'd have been more supportive/defensive about what BN brought to the table and why he should continue. Was this the case on the call? Still, a formal statement re: the future of HC men's bball is in order. Absent that, a reporter getting Kit on the record about BN's status, even if it's just to satisfy the few dozen of us who care.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 6, 2023 15:30:41 GMT -5
So much winning at Holy Cross with five NCAA appearances in 30 seasons. Ralph Willard (Holy Cross) Dick Regan (Holy Cross) Jared, bfoley be trollin' all the time; not worth debatin' with.him.
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Post by jaredcurry on Mar 6, 2023 15:35:41 GMT -5
I’m fine…but Thxs.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 6, 2023 15:46:54 GMT -5
Coach Nelson must have quite a recruiting class coming in if he convinced KH he is up to the job going forward (i.e. 2 more players who are unnamed as of now) As of this moment, we only have 11 scholarship players. Nelson wasn't able to even round out a full team for this past season. His negligence alone should be enough reason for his firing.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 6, 2023 15:54:25 GMT -5
The call today was an absolute waste of time. Kit, “appreciated the passion for the school and the program, but would not get into specifics about plans.” This guy is clearly interested in nothing but his next job, and I am completely convinced that there will not be a coaching change. Let me know when the school starts hiring winners again (Holy Cross People). Echoing what others have said, I don't view KH's statement as an endorsement of BN or that he is returning. I still don't believe that BN will be the coach next year.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 6, 2023 15:57:12 GMT -5
It's possible that Kit has the final say on which coach to hire when there is an opening (unless it's an ethics debate or something like with a Pitino) and final say as to when to fire a coach if it is a coach in his final year or a coach in a sport with a one year contract, the salary is in the budget and the replacement would be an interim on staff.
But maybe he doesn't have final authority to fire a coach with multiple years or multiple hundreds of thousands of compensation left and eat what is owed. So the delay may be out of his hands. He may have tried to plan ahead but was asked to wait until the season is over, or an agent could be playing hard ball, who knows?
What I also don't know is whether any buy out would have to come from the budgets of other sports or if the school has a reserve for this or is willing to borrow to pay off the contract. I do know, thanks to PP that the endowment has a strict no dipping policy so that's not a solution.
Maybe TPTB are trying to choose which planned facility upgrade to postpone so that money can be used to resolve the contract.
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Post by spenser on Mar 6, 2023 15:58:56 GMT -5
The response from KH is pretty much what I thought it would be. I think that it was important that extreme discontent was expressed to the AD but it was very unlikely that any actual, solid information would be gleaned. I still think that he should and will let Coach Nelson go, but I wouldn’t be shocked if that doesn’t occur.
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Post by hc1998 on Mar 6, 2023 16:05:27 GMT -5
If it's status quo heading into next season, season ticket holders will have a chance to voice their thoughts. The thing is, HC has lost so many season ticket holders over the years, I don't know if it will matter. I would love to know how many season tickets have been sold over the last 10 years on a year by year basis. Versus how many Football season tickets have been purchased over the past five years. A winning product on the field, the floor or the ice will put fannies in the seats, and could open opportunities for money games. Those positives would "repay" any buy-out in short order. I believe the payout for guarantee games in hoops is significantly lower than some of the numbers we have seen in football...similarly, I do not know that we need a winning product on the floor to get those games...indeed, the more we win, the more hesitant a big school likely would be to pay us to come to their campus.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 6, 2023 16:08:29 GMT -5
If ADKH isn't able to get this done, it's fair to ask the question: "Is Kit Hughes ovah his head?"
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Post by dharry13 on Mar 6, 2023 16:09:21 GMT -5
No one sees this is a major issue? Don't we think he OWES us answers - I absolutely think him and other do OWE us that? How pathetic is it that Kit Hughes will reach out to all to give money to the school but he can't provide any answers as to the future of the program and why a decision hasn't been made regarding the disgusting record the hoop team has had under Nelson. The only way for something to get done IMO is for the largest donors to the hoop program to simply pull the plug on giving. It's truly disgraceful what's happening with this once proud program only 20 years (ish) removed. And now HC is a laughing stock in the Hoop world. HC at this point is a punch line.
Am I angry - yah I am. I'm also just embarrassed for the school.
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Post by dharry13 on Mar 6, 2023 16:09:56 GMT -5
If ADKH isn't able to get this done, it's fair to ask the question: "Is Kit Hughes ovah his head?" It's already evident with his inability to communicate anything.
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Post by Tom on Mar 6, 2023 16:11:08 GMT -5
The call today was an absolute waste of time. Kit, “appreciated the passion for the school and the program, but would not get into specifics about plans.” This guy is clearly interested in nothing but his next job, and I am completely convinced that there will not be a coaching change. Let me know when the school starts hiring winners again (Holy Cross People). If Kit did not say affirmatively that BN would be coming back, then I suspect a buyout is in the works. To me, the "not get into specifics about plans" is the tell. If Kit supported BN's continued tenure, I'd imagine he'd have been more supportive/defensive about what BN brought to the table and why he should continue. Was this the case on the call? Still, a formal statement re: the future of HC men's bball is in order. Absent that, a reporter getting Kit on the record about BN's status, even if it's just to satisfy the few dozen of us who care. An interesting and reasonable read between the lines
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Post by WCHC Sports on Mar 6, 2023 16:21:42 GMT -5
Can you confirm that there are, or are still, big donors to the men's basketball program? What evidence do you have that there's any leverage that "we" (I don't donate anything that could be considered noticeable) have with money? To that point, you think anyone that has been giving big money to hoops would continue to do so after the disaster of the last decade plus?
Other people saying, let's stop going to games-- we get like, 300 people a night in the Hart. We can't even get a band to fill out 10 people.
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