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Post by rf1 on Mar 9, 2023 15:14:43 GMT -5
From the world is unfair depahhhtment, the school I had been coaching (not teaching at) hoop at the last 4 years announced yesterday that it is closing its doors forevah in June. I am now officially a candidate for the HC job if the opening arises.
Sorry to hear that Bishop Connolly is closing. Only lasted 1966-2023. Follows Coyle-Cassidy in Taunton which shut down in 2020. Can Bishop Stang be far behind? Bishop Feehan is likely to outlast all the other Catholic high schools in the FR diocese.
Bishop Connolly High School in Fall River to close: Here's what we know.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 9, 2023 15:35:22 GMT -5
From the world is unfair depahhhtment, the school I had been coaching (not teaching at) hoop at the last 4 years announced yesterday that it is closing its doors forevah in June. I am now officially a candidate for the HC job if the opening arises.
Sorry to hear that Bishop Connolly is closing. Only lasted 1966-2023. Follows Coyle-Cassidy in Taunton which shut down in 2020. Can Bishop Stang be far behind? Bishop Feehan is likely to outlast all the other Catholic high schools in the FR diocese.
Bishop Connolly High School in Fall River to close: Here's what we know.
Forgot to add CC to my list of dearly departed Catholic High Schools; a faux pas considering two uncles went there and my next door neighbor at HC did as well.
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Post by saderfan2020 on Mar 9, 2023 19:38:29 GMT -5
2020 If you saw the posts by the Lowder parent on the Other Games thread, would you comment on them ? I presume you were manager then. Did not see Lowders parents post until during my lunch break in which I skimmed it over. I simply wasn't able to read all of it but from what ive heard I'm surprised and disgusted. It's incredibly unfortunate that that happened and I had absolutely no clue about any of that. College athletics in general are very shady and this seemed to happen well behind the scenes. in my experience and with players ive spoken to Brett has been a little weird but never malicious. However I did know that last year Brett's staff drove an athlete (who I will not name for obvious reasons) into a deep depression, but from what I heard from him it was more of the assistant coaches than Brett. Another strange instance was last year when KL, JM, BH entered the portal they were disallowed from using the Hart center which was weird and not standard practice among college athletics. At the time I just dismissed it, but now theories are circulating in my head. What happened to Lowder is inexcusable and tarnishes his reputation in my mind. Maybe Brett was putting on an act and I fell for it, maybe he's only mean to people who serve him no more purpose, whatever the case that behavior is completely excusable. Recent posts only harden my belief that the entire staff needs two be purged from the campus with maybe the exception of DBO Isiah Tate who I know nothing about.
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Post by hc17 on Mar 9, 2023 20:15:22 GMT -5
Disheartening to hear that the staff also contributed to this mess and issues go beyond Nelson. Horrific situation…
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 9, 2023 22:26:22 GMT -5
2020 If you saw the posts by the Lowder parent on the Other Games thread, would you comment on them ? I presume you were manager then. Did not see Lowders parents post until during my lunch break in which I skimmed it over. I simply wasn't able to read all of it but from what ive heard I'm surprised and disgusted. It's incredibly unfortunate that that happened and I had absolutely no clue about any of that. College athletics in general are very shady and this seemed to happen well behind the scenes. in my experience and with players ive spoken to Brett has been a little weird but never malicious. However I did know that last year Brett's staff drove an athlete (who I will not name for obvious reasons) into a deep depression, but from what I heard from him it was more of the assistant coaches than Brett. Another strange instance was last year when KL, JM, BH entered the portal they were disallowed from using the Hart center which was weird and not standard practice among college athletics. At the time I just dismissed it, but now theories are circulating in my head. What happened to Lowder is inexcusable and tarnishes his reputation in my mind. Maybe Brett was putting on an act and I fell for it, maybe he's only mean to people who serve him no more purpose, whatever the case that behavior is completely excusable. Recent posts only harden my belief that the entire staff needs two be purged from the campus with maybe the exception of DBO Isiah Tate who I know nothing about. Wait, what? Guys who quit on HC should still be allowed to use the athletics facilities? For sure not. Nelson has done more than enough to dig his own grave. Let’s not get silly here with stuff like this, or the one-sided Lowder drivel.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 10, 2023 0:12:46 GMT -5
Sorry to hear that Bishop Connolly is closing. Only lasted 1966-2023. Follows Coyle-Cassidy in Taunton which shut down in 2020. Can Bishop Stang be far behind? Bishop Feehan is likely to outlast all the other Catholic high schools in the FR diocese.
Bishop Connolly High School in Fall River to close: Here's what we know.
Forgot to add CC to my list of dearly departed Catholic High Schools; a faux pas considering two uncles went there and my next door neighbor at HC did as well. Hudson Catholic HS was in the Boston Archdiocese and it's gone. Elizabeth Seton HS in Wellesley closed decades ago.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 10, 2023 1:26:19 GMT -5
Forgot about Hudson Catholic too....their claim to fame, if you can call it that; was that the Metro West paper of record would have sports articles whose headlines started with "HC...." so, of course, I'd have to read the first sentence to find out it was a high school I had no interest in, not Holy Cross.
And add at least three St. Mary's (Worcester, Milford, Brookline) to the list.
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Post by pcfriar on Mar 10, 2023 6:25:51 GMT -5
I’m starting to question the leadership at HC. Even if they now keep Nelson he won’t be able to recruit players. He’s damaged goods. He has failed to connect with fans, alumni and most importantly players. What are we missing?
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 10, 2023 6:39:54 GMT -5
BN may have not connected well with fans (clearly some on Crossports) but he and his staff seem to have strong ties with those players on the team.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 10, 2023 7:00:30 GMT -5
BN may have not connected well with fans (clearly some on Crossports) but he and his staff seem to have strong ties with those players on the team. Other than the two who quit mid season and the many others who transferred from HC.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 10, 2023 7:09:20 GMT -5
They are not "on the team" are they? I'll stand with my comment unless I hear specifics that prove it to be otherwise.
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Post by dadominate on Mar 10, 2023 7:15:30 GMT -5
I disagree, although I do agree that he is not satan. Everyone here would be floored if they new what is said inside a locker room or basketball office. I’ve said this many times, the only good thing that has come from social media is that coaches now how have to treat these kids with some kind of respect…..they are 1 “post/send” away from being unemployed. We landed Josh Sankes because his coach made him do naked suicides in front of cheerleaders because he missed foul shots. A kid being manipulated to call a complete stranger to say “I back my coach” is 100% in the realm of possibility. I hear you my man, and I agree that a ton of shady activity happens in college basketball but in my time on campus I served as a student manager for Brett and his staff. I was at 100% of the practices, pre-game speeches, team dinners, post game talks, flights and drives to away games, film rooms, ect. In addition, I entered HC as a PWO but destroyed my ankle a few days before the first fall practice and was told I would never be physically able to compete (years later I'm just starting to run, jump, and dunk again) so I know how Brett and his staff treat their players first hand. I was able to get really close with the players some of whom transferred away, and a few graduated so I have been able to see and hear their perspective as well. This is not to discredit your experience, you had an exponentially more successful career at HC than I've had, but things like naked suicides in front of cheerleaders simply couldn't happen in the modern day. We just grew up in two different college basketball scenes, I wasn't even out of the womb until late into your senior year. The coach would be fired before the words even finished coming out of his mouth. With all that being said, I can only speak on my experience with Brett and what I've heard, which is; he's a good guy who tries very hard but he struggles to connect with his athletes, is incredibly hardheaded, and his offensive sets are nothing short of abysmal. The only coach that I interacted with at HC that I did not like as a person has already moved on. IMO Brett and all of his staff, including RJ, need to be shown the door and it should have happened a week ago, but strictly for business and I wish them all the best. thanks for your posts and unique perspectives. i had a similar basketball experience at hc, though we had a jv team in the late 1990s (not sure they have one anymore?) that i played on while working for the athletic department. on that note, i saw raynor come up in this post and i can assure you that no matter how poorly he may have communicated his departure, he was definitely a good guy who clearly had a hard time with the stress of being a d1 coach (was hospitalized for stress at one point). sounds like he did not communicate his pending job loss very well and i have to wonder how nelson is handling things. the good news for you if you still enjoy playing is that my game probably peaked in my mid-20's long after hc when my chronic ankle/foot injuries (can be tough playing/training every day at 230+ pounds were fully behind me. in any case, please keep up your posts as they have been enlightening!
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 10, 2023 8:30:46 GMT -5
Day ten...
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 10, 2023 8:42:13 GMT -5
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 10, 2023 8:57:38 GMT -5
I hear you my man, and I agree that a ton of shady activity happens in college basketball but in my time on campus I served as a student manager for Brett and his staff. I was at 100% of the practices, pre-game speeches, team dinners, post game talks, flights and drives to away games, film rooms, ect. In addition, I entered HC as a PWO but destroyed my ankle a few days before the first fall practice and was told I would never be physically able to compete (years later I'm just starting to run, jump, and dunk again) so I know how Brett and his staff treat their players first hand. I was able to get really close with the players some of whom transferred away, and a few graduated so I have been able to see and hear their perspective as well. This is not to discredit your experience, you had an exponentially more successful career at HC than I've had, but things like naked suicides in front of cheerleaders simply couldn't happen in the modern day. We just grew up in two different college basketball scenes, I wasn't even out of the womb until late into your senior year. The coach would be fired before the words even finished coming out of his mouth. With all that being said, I can only speak on my experience with Brett and what I've heard, which is; he's a good guy who tries very hard but he struggles to connect with his athletes, is incredibly hardheaded, and his offensive sets are nothing short of abysmal. The only coach that I interacted with at HC that I did not like as a person has already moved on. IMO Brett and all of his staff, including RJ, need to be shown the door and it should have happened a week ago, but strictly for business and I wish them all the best. thanks for your posts and unique perspectives. i had a similar basketball experience at hc, though we had a jv team in the late 1990s (not sure they have one anymore?) that i played on while working for the athletic department. on that note, i saw raynor come up in this post and i can assure you that no matter how poorly he may have communicated his departure, he was definitely a good guy who clearly had a hard time with the stress of being a d1 coach (was hospitalized for stress at one point). sounds like he did not communicate his pending job loss very well and i have to wonder how nelson is handling things. the good news for you if you still enjoy playing is that my game probably peaked in my mid-20's long after hc when my chronic ankle/foot injuries (can be tough playing/training every day at 230+ pounds were fully behind me. in any case, please keep up your posts as they have been enlightening! I can confirm from watching him jump out of his seat at Indy in 2003 that dado definitely got his hops back!
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Post by hchoops on Mar 10, 2023 9:03:55 GMT -5
Dado, Having gotten to know Bill somewhat as a roommate at George’s hoops camp, I agree with your assessment. He was affable, thoughtful and funny.
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Post by dadominate on Mar 10, 2023 11:57:14 GMT -5
thanks for your posts and unique perspectives. i had a similar basketball experience at hc, though we had a jv team in the late 1990s (not sure they have one anymore?) that i played on while working for the athletic department. on that note, i saw raynor come up in this post and i can assure you that no matter how poorly he may have communicated his departure, he was definitely a good guy who clearly had a hard time with the stress of being a d1 coach (was hospitalized for stress at one point). sounds like he did not communicate his pending job loss very well and i have to wonder how nelson is handling things. the good news for you if you still enjoy playing is that my game probably peaked in my mid-20's long after hc when my chronic ankle/foot injuries (can be tough playing/training every day at 230+ pounds were fully behind me. in any case, please keep up your posts as they have been enlightening! I can confirm from watching him jump out of his seat at Indy in 2003 that dado definitely got his hops back! ha! those were good times, nad. let's hope we're high-fiving each other at another ncaa tournament game again in the not so distant future.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 10, 2023 15:52:05 GMT -5
Forgot about Hudson Catholic too....their claim to fame, if you can call it that; was that the Metro West paper of record would have sports articles whose headlines started with "HC...." so, of course, I'd have to read the first sentence to find out it was a high school I had no interest in, not Holy Cross. And add at least three St. Mary's (Worcester, Milford, Brookline) to the list. My freshman year roommate at HC went to Keith Academy (sp?) in Lowell, now long defunct.
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Post by beaven302 on Mar 10, 2023 16:11:00 GMT -5
The mention of Hudson Catholic reminded me of a story told by the late Brian Kavanaugh. He said that when he was in the eighth grade at the local Hudson parochial school, Hudson Catholic was scheduled to open the following fall, and the nuns were urging the children to go there instead of the "Devil's house," Hudson High School. Brian said that he planned to go to Hudson High to play football and that when the nuns found out, his grades went way down.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 10, 2023 18:56:02 GMT -5
The mention of Hudson Catholic reminded me of a story told by the late Brian Kavanaugh. He said that when he was in the eighth grade at the local Hudson parochial school, Hudson Catholic was scheduled to open the following fall, and the nuns were urging the children to go there instead of the "Devil's house," Hudson High School. Brian said that he planned to go to Hudson High to play football and that when the nuns found out, his grades went way down. Hudson Catholic was a Parish school run by St. Michael's I believe. My late buddy went for a year but then transferred to Assabet Regional Voc Tech. He shined there. I didn't know him at the time, but he had his own 8-track tape manufacturing business in high school and did quite well.
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Post by rf1 on May 4, 2023 9:19:28 GMT -5
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Post by mm67 on May 4, 2023 9:42:33 GMT -5
A Catholic identity with a strong academic profile does not seem to suffice. Is the experiment in Catholic K-12 education in peril? Are there any commonalities beyond a Catholic identity which factor into the closing of various Catholic schools?
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Post by Tom on May 4, 2023 10:11:43 GMT -5
A Catholic identity with a strong academic profile does not seem to suffice. Is the experiment in Catholic K-12 education in peril? Are there any commonalities beyond a Catholic identity which factor into the closing of various Catholic schools? Money. These schools have tuition and public schools are free. If you're thinking about college, $40,000 - $60,000 spent on high school is a good chuck of change that could be needed for college. In general, they don't have endowments like high end prep schools to fund scholarships. Like everything else in the world, costs are rising and something has to give. 10-15K per year vs zero at my local high school can give a person pause. I personally think the student is better off at the private school. Individuals have to decide based on their own situation if the student is 10-15K better off
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Post by Ray on May 4, 2023 10:12:35 GMT -5
A Catholic identity with a strong academic profile does not seem to suffice. Is the experiment in Catholic K-12 education in peril? Are there any commonalities beyond a Catholic identity which factor into the closing of various Catholic schools? "Strong academic profile" is kind of hit and miss. Demographics are a big factor, the population of current and future HS kids is way down. MA is also a tough market since the tuition at these schools is quite high, while the public schools aren't universally good, once you get out to the suburbs they're generally at decent, so the tuition cost for a not-necessarily-better education becomes a tough sell.
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Post by timholycross on May 4, 2023 10:27:03 GMT -5
A Catholic identity with a strong academic profile does not seem to suffice. Is the experiment in Catholic K-12 education in peril? Are there any commonalities beyond a Catholic identity which factor into the closing of various Catholic schools? "Strong academic profile" is kind of hit and miss. Demographics are a big factor, the population of current and future HS kids is way down. MA is also a tough market since the tuition at these schools is quite high, while the public schools aren't universally good, once you get out to the suburbs they're generally at decent, so the tuition cost for a not-necessarily-better education becomes a tough sell.
Matignon had a lot to offer athletes, especially hockey, back in the day. Then, they didn't have the $ to keep up with their competition; including the privates, many of whom had their own rinks. An "arms race" they couldn't possibly win.
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