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Post by jaredcurry on Mar 6, 2023 20:22:14 GMT -5
I for one appreciate Jared's passion and desire to get HC hoops back to where it was when he played. He may be down south now but you can't take the Braintree fight out of him. I love the passion and hope it leads to changes. My wife got me a couple HC golf shirts (I hate golf) for my birthday, we spent Saturday walking around Charleston with our 2 youngest. I had almost a dozen people scream “Go Saders”, and 2 people flat out shook my hand (one being class of 2018, the other 1983). It was a special day, and it was very much needed. This incredible school is a NATIONAL BRAND, even with the current state of this program. We can’t forget that, and we have. This school and program deserve a bigger fight from all of us than what is currently happening. A phone call and strongly worded letter from former players is what AAU moms do… We have all accepted failure, and it sickens me. I’ll be forwarding the letter to this board when it is finished (hopefully tomorrow). Please send it to all of your social media platforms. This is our “circle of opportunity”, let’s not waste it. share.icloud.com/photos/0999JRoFcF-qPyhj3sKu3kLqg
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 6, 2023 20:30:07 GMT -5
"Again, IMO, the College is reluctant to make a big investment in men's hoops while the NCAA basketball train is still careening out of control."
This is an interesting take, but it seems like surrender, reacting to change and uncertainty by accepting failure. There has to be a path to success, even in this crazy atmosphere in college sports, and HC should be committed to finding it.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 6, 2023 20:31:03 GMT -5
EFG72 and Sader1970 don't know what they are missing. Right about now, I am thinking I should have taken the pledge as well. Believe one or both may be lurking.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 6, 2023 20:34:44 GMT -5
HC may be benefitting from their Lenten prayers.
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Post by Ray on Mar 6, 2023 20:35:03 GMT -5
PP said: as bad-mouthed the current state of men's hoops, Div I wide, to alumni, he has done the same to VR and the BoT. It is truly dysfunctional at the national level. About a third of each team's roster, on average, took the transfer-out route in each of the past two yearIMO, if KH hs. When at t Chapel Hill, the weekly athletic department staff meeting has as a regular agenda item, a review of the previous week's NILs, Its become all about the athlete's paycheck. And the air brakes on the train have lost pressure.
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Kit can say those things publicly, sure. But that can't be the end of his thoughts on the subject. He interviewed for, and landed, this very job just a little over a year ago. Surely someone in that interview process asked him about the state of D-1 basketball and how HC could turn around their current struggles within that landscape. If Kit's answer was "it's dysfunctional, it can't be fixed, don't try".... that is not the answer that gets you hired. I refuse to believe that's how he "sold himself" to VR and the BoT.
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Post by gks on Mar 6, 2023 20:44:52 GMT -5
Let me get this straight. The school is not going to buy out BN's contract and will keep him under its current contractual agreement. Then, after next season will decide whether to offer an extension. Is that correct? If, so then any comments to the contrary are hot air. Mean spirited personal attacks on integrity accomplish nothing. Case closed. Peace. Or the College could pay BN for the remaining year, tell him to enjoy fishing in Florida, and name RJ as interim head coach. They wouldn't do this for two years though. IMO, if KH has bad-mouthed the current state of men's hoops, Div I wide, to alumni, he has done the same to VR and the BoT. It is truly dysfunctional at the national level. About a third of each team's roster, on average, took the transfer-out route in each of the past two years. When at t Chapel Hill, the weekly athletic department staff meeting has as a regular agenda item, a review of the previous week's NILs, Its become all about the athlete's paycheck. And the air brakes on the train have lost pressure. In football at the BCS level, there were so many transfers-out at some schools, that the fall roster could have had scollie levels closer to FCS caps than 85 The BCS schools then rushed a rule change to eliminate the annual 25 scollie cap. This allows schools to backfill their roster with new recruits to replace the transfer-outs. This of course can have repercussions down the food chain. A recruit intending to go to North Texas State, now gets an offer from A&M. Again, IMO, the College is reluctant to make a big investment in men's hoops while the NCAA basketball train is still careening out of control.Because NCAA football is a bunch of choir boys?
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 6, 2023 20:47:11 GMT -5
...or maybe he's finding that there just ain't many acceptable takers out there these days for the HC job. Just sayin'... Bullsh*t. He can't find someone who can do better than 27-84 over four years? Andy Sachs would run circles around that. He'd take the job, and wouldn't blow the budget either.
It's a D-1 coaching job, there are only ~350 of them in the country. There are a heck of a lot more than 350 good coaches out there. We happen to not have one of them. Xavier WBB just relieved their head coach who went 24-81 (8-60 BIG EAST). goxavier.com/news/2023/3/6/womens-basketball-moore-tenure-wraps-up-for-xavier-womens-basketball.aspx
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Post by thecrossisback on Mar 6, 2023 20:50:52 GMT -5
Bullsh*t. He can't find someone who can do better than 27-84 over four years? Andy Sachs would run circles around that. He'd take the job, and wouldn't blow the budget either.
It's a D-1 coaching job, there are only ~350 of them in the country. There are a heck of a lot more than 350 good coaches out there. We happen to not have one of them. Xavier WBB just relieved their head coach who went 24-81 (8-60 BIG EAST). goxavier.com/news/2023/3/6/womens-basketball-moore-tenure-wraps-up-for-xavier-womens-basketball.aspxWhy do we care? I don't think we are going to hire Melanie Moore?
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Post by crusader12 on Mar 6, 2023 20:58:37 GMT -5
So much winning at Holy Cross with five NCAA appearances in 30 seasons. Ralph Willard (Holy Cross) Dick Regan (Holy Cross) Two completely different people and personalities. One was good for Holy Cross, one was bad. We all know who was who….
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 6, 2023 21:11:51 GMT -5
timholycross, Yes, the problem has existed for quite some time, arguably emerging with Raynor and no scollies. I also think there was more deference until recently to the Jesuits, who were the de facto administrators of the College. By and large, as their ranks thinned, whatever administrative and managerial abilities they possessed diminished. Having a doctorate in sacred theology does not prepare one to understand a balance sheet. This may be a more acute failing at Holy Cross than elsewhere, as there is no business or management program in the curriculum. See the defenestration of the former Chief Investment Officer, a position subsequently abolished. Google says the #1 meaning of defenestration is "the action of throwing someone out of a window."
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 6, 2023 21:35:23 GMT -5
Why do we care? I don't think we are going to hire Melanie Moore? Similar record over the same time period.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 7, 2023 7:46:36 GMT -5
timholycross, Yes, the problem has existed for quite some time, arguably emerging with Raynor and no scollies. I also think there was more deference until recently to the Jesuits, who were the de facto administrators of the College. By and large, as their ranks thinned, whatever administrative and managerial abilities they possessed diminished. Having a doctorate in sacred theology does not prepare one to understand a balance sheet. This may be a more acute failing at Holy Cross than elsewhere, as there is no business or management program in the curriculum. See the defenestration of the former Chief Investment Officer, a position subsequently abolished. Google says the #1 meaning of defenestration is "the action of throwing someone out of a window." Figuratively, not literally, in the case of Holy Cross. In the case of Russian oligarchs who have crossed Putin, literally. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_Russian_businesspeople_(2022%E2%80%932023)and to update the ^^^ list, www.rferl.org/a/russia-senior-official-fall-from-apartment-building/32274330.html
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Post by hc99 on Mar 7, 2023 8:28:12 GMT -5
Does anyone know how the Patriot League's deal with ESPN+ works? I'm already not attending games in person until Coach Nelson is relieved of his duties. Is the ESPN+ deal a flat rate or are there kick backs based on number of viewers? Do we need to stop watching all together or can we still be a gluttons for punishment and watch the games on ESPN+?
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Post by Xmassader on Mar 7, 2023 8:48:01 GMT -5
Does anyone know how the Patriot League's deal with ESPN+ works? I'm already not attending games in person until Coach Nelson is relieved of his duties. Is the ESPN+ deal a flat rate or are there kick backs based on number of viewers? Do we need to stop watching all together or can we still be a gluttons for punishment and watch the games on ESPN+? hc99 Don’t know how the ESPN+ deal works for the various leagues whose games are broadcast. For the individual subscriber, I believe the annual charge is $99. This charge provides access to all of the ESPN+ content including the PL on all platforms (smart TV, computer, iPad, iPhone, etc.)
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Post by crusader1970 on Mar 7, 2023 8:55:24 GMT -5
As we all know, Bucknell recently fired Nathan Davis.
Can you imagine the eruption on this Board if the guy they bring in to replace him coaches circles around Nelson next year and we lose both games?
It could definitely happen.
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Post by thecrossisback on Mar 7, 2023 8:57:46 GMT -5
Guessing but maybe they just dont want to buyout his last year. If they don't make a change it will be hard to still support. Nelson doesn't care about the fans anyway. What has he done?
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Post by hchoops on Mar 7, 2023 9:05:33 GMT -5
As we all know, Bucknell recently fired Nathan Davis. Can you imagine the eruption on this Board if the guy they bring in to replace him coaches circles around Nelson next year and we lose both games? It could definitely happen. Every PL coach out coached Nelson for 4 years.. Little chance that any new hire would not join the list.
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Post by hc1998 on Mar 7, 2023 9:07:36 GMT -5
...or maybe he's finding that there just ain't many acceptable takers out there these days for the HC job. Just sayin'... Not true at all. Fire Nelson and they’ll be lined up at the door. Bring in a coach who could get 3 or 4 pay games (300k) per game and you’d clean up Whatever they owe Nelson. KH has forever been involved with football wherever he’s been. Not a bball guy. That in my opinion is the problem. Its not that easy...first hoops pay games do not pay nearly as much as football (high end is $100K, some are as low as $10k), second, there is no reason to think that the AD isn't already trying to maximize those games, regardless of whether or not we have to pay a buyout (OK, maybe thats giving the administration that is taking this long to fire BN too much credit), and third, aside from the situation where we hire a long time major conference assistant coach who gets his former employer on the schedule, I suspect the coach has very little to do with who our pay games are against.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 7, 2023 9:11:20 GMT -5
If ADKH isn't able to get this done, it's fair to ask the question: "Is Kit Hughes ovah his head?" Marcus Blossom was the AD here for 27 months. Kit Hughes has been here for 15 months, and will have been here as long as Blossom next March. When we will be having this same conversation.
Hughes put a nice gloss on his resume by extending/enhancing Chesney, a feat with a degree of difficulty equal to an uncontested layup on a Biddy Ball court. What is the "ovah/undah" that he will leverage that into a better gig somewhere else before he/BoT/TPTB - whatevah - have to even think about this far more challenging hot mess again?
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Post by billyball on Mar 7, 2023 9:33:53 GMT -5
Hughes also extended Magarity appropriately.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 7, 2023 9:36:24 GMT -5
Another layup. Rewarding success is easy. Confronting and correcting failure is harder.
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Post by Ray on Mar 7, 2023 9:40:08 GMT -5
If ADKH isn't able to get this done, it's fair to ask the question: "Is Kit Hughes ovah his head?" Marcus Blossom was the AD here for 27 months. Kit Hughes has been here for 15 months, and will have been here as long as Blossom next March. When we will be having this same conversation.
Hughes put a nice gloss on his resume by extending/enhancing Chesney, a feat with a degree of difficulty equal to an uncontested layup on a Biddy Ball court. What is the "ovah/undah" that he will leverage that into a better gig somewhere else before he/BoT/TPTB - whatevah - have to even think about this far more challenging hot mess again? I'm less worried about Kit quickly absconding for the next job, relative to my current concern that he's not empowered/prepared to make the big decision required here (as you say, extending Chesney doesn't meet that threshold.)
IIRC Kit sort of addressed the drive-by concern during his introduction, he was very clear that he was very happy to move his family back to New England. He's got school-aged kids that I'm guessing he doesn't want to uproot over and over again in the next several years. I don't think he's moving back to Bowling Green if that AD job opens, for instance.
If the above is true, the jobs that would attract him would be limited to New England. Given KH's football background, there aren't that many football-school AD jobs that would be a clear step up for him. And for the big one in Chestnut Hill, he'd have to demonstrate some real accomplishments at HC to make himself a good candidate there.
So, I think he's here for a while. But he still has to demonstrate an ability to move the athletic department forward, rather than just keep the momentum going in the programs where it already existed prior to his arrival.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 7, 2023 9:55:34 GMT -5
Not true at all. Fire Nelson and they’ll be lined up at the door. Bring in a coach who could get 3 or 4 pay games (300k) per game and you’d clean up Whatever they owe Nelson. KH has forever been involved with football wherever he’s been. Not a bball guy. That in my opinion is the problem. Its not that easy...first hoops pay games do not pay nearly as much as football (high end is $100K, some are as low as $10k), second, there is no reason to think that the AD isn't already trying to maximize those games, regardless of whether or not we have to pay a buyout (OK, maybe thats giving the administration that is taking this long to fire BN too much credit), and third, aside from the situation where we hire a long time major conference assistant coach who gets his former employer on the schedule, I suspect the coach has very little to do with who our pay games are against. Total opposite. The AD has next to nothing to do with the basketball schedule, except for setting a target $ amount that needs to be generated from guarantee games for the season. It’s completely up to the head coach on how he wants to set up the schedule from there, and one assistant is typically responsible for finding opponents that match what the boss is looking for. College basketball scheduling is very, very different than football scheduling.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 7, 2023 9:59:00 GMT -5
Marcus Blossom was the AD here for 27 months. Kit Hughes has been here for 15 months, and will have been here as long as Blossom next March. When we will be having this same conversation.
Hughes put a nice gloss on his resume by extending/enhancing Chesney, a feat with a degree of difficulty equal to an uncontested layup on a Biddy Ball court. What is the "ovah/undah" that he will leverage that into a better gig somewhere else before he/BoT/TPTB - whatevah - have to even think about this far more challenging hot mess again? I'm less worried about Kit quickly absconding for the next job, relative to my current concern that he's not empowered/prepared to make the big decision required here (as you say, extending Chesney doesn't meet that threshold.)
IIRC Kit sort of addressed the drive-by concern during his introduction, he was very clear that he was very happy to move his family back to New England. He's got school-aged kids that I'm guessing he doesn't want to uproot over and over again in the next several years. I don't think he's moving back to Bowling Green if that AD job opens, for instance.
If the above is true, the jobs that would attract him would be limited to New England. Given KH's football background, there aren't that many football-school AD jobs that would be a clear step up for him. And for the big one in Chestnut Hill, he'd have to demonstrate some real accomplishments at HC to make himself a good candidate there.
So, I think he's here for a while. But he still has to demonstrate an ability to move the athletic department forward, rather than just keep the momentum going in the programs where it already existed prior to his arrival.
Those quotes from his press conference are not worth the paper they’re written on. These guys are pure carpet bagger mercenaries. They will go wherever they can make the most money (understandable) and have the most prestige in the AD community (selection committees, etc.)
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Post by coachrt on Mar 7, 2023 10:04:44 GMT -5
Some talk going around in the coaching community. Two of the assistant coaches are applying to get in the mix for the head coach position at Rhode Island College. The staff senses they are on the verge of being let go.
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