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Post by HC92 on Mar 7, 2023 10:10:16 GMT -5
Still think we are moving on but I get less confident in that thought with each passing minute with no announcement. If we do move on, I hope there’s a really good reason for the delay. Not sure what it might be. Everyone involved should have known this was coming for a while so we should have worked out the terms of the severance and the funding of same already. Maybe there’s a good reason. Just don’t know what it could be.
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Post by Ray on Mar 7, 2023 10:10:24 GMT -5
Those quotes from his press conference are not worth the paper they’re written on. These guys are pure carpet bagger mercenaries. They will go wherever they can make the most money (understandable) and have the most prestige in the AD community (selection committees, etc.) For sure, that is common in the current landscape... but if you're HC and you're trying to get off that particular hamster wheel, your best choices are either an alum (and I know Gordie has come up as a candidate a few times, but obviously hasn't landed the job), or at least someone with local ties/family reasons to want to drop roots here for a decent chunk of time. So, I think HC was at least trying to find someone who would stay more than 27 months. Whether they got it right.... again, time will tell.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 7, 2023 10:11:59 GMT -5
Some talk going around in the coaching community. Two of the assistant coaches are applying to get in the mix for the head coach position at Rhode Island College. The staff senses they are on the verge of being let go. I presume you mean HC assistants ? If assistants are fired and Nelson remains, Hughes is a bigger fool than I had thought. Or he was told to save money by Not firing Nelson, but do something.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 7, 2023 10:15:49 GMT -5
Comments from Kit Hughes in May of 2022:
I am keenly aware of how important basketball is on this campus. I've met with people in the community. I've talked to alumni. I've received phone calls. I've been on campus. I've received letters, I've received emails. I know how important basketball is at this campus. I grew up in the area and know the history of this, of the school and the basketball program.
Having a chance to speak with Coach Cousy was an unbelievable highlight of my first few months and that, you know that's hero status. I know how important it is. I'm committed to making sure that we're gonna be successful moving forward and we're gonna win the Patriot League.
Hot air.
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Post by hc17 on Mar 7, 2023 10:17:31 GMT -5
Some talk going around in the coaching community. Two of the assistant coaches are applying to get in the mix for the head coach position at Rhode Island College. The staff senses they are on the verge of being let go. I presume you mean HC assistants ? If assistants are fired and Nelson remains, Hughes is a bigger fool than I had thought. Or he was told to save money by Not firing Nelson, but do something. If this is the case, they are cleaning house & Nelson's firing is imminent.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 7, 2023 10:17:36 GMT -5
Some of us seem to show a deep bias against anyone who is an AD. The flight of HC's last two from their HC positions could be part of the reason, I am sure. However, it also seems that any positive accomplishment is dismissed as "too easy" to deserve any real credit, while failure to do something the poster (and others) may feel is essential is seen as a fatal flaw and lack of ability on the part if the AD. Apparently the AD is not allowed to believe differently than the poster as to the best course of action. I have never met an HC AD who was a "pure carpet bagger mercenary" so I won't make a judgement on the appropriateness of that opinion. Whatever Kit decides and does regarding the basketball situation, I hope it has a positive impact on HC hoops.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 7, 2023 10:18:36 GMT -5
Some talk going around in the coaching community. Two of the assistant coaches are applying to get in the mix for the head coach position at Rhode Island College. The staff senses they are on the verge of being let go. Are you speaking about HC assistants?
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Post by HC92 on Mar 7, 2023 10:20:41 GMT -5
Some talk going around in the coaching community. Two of the assistant coaches are applying to get in the mix for the head coach position at Rhode Island College. The staff senses they are on the verge of being let go. Are you spoeaking about HC assistants? Yes.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 7, 2023 10:21:13 GMT -5
Thanks for clarifying.
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Post by coachrt on Mar 7, 2023 10:44:07 GMT -5
Some talk going around in the coaching community. Two of the assistant coaches are applying to get in the mix for the head coach position at Rhode Island College. The staff senses they are on the verge of being let go. Are you spoeaking about HC assistants? yes, the HC assistants are actively pursuing other jobs know they are about to be let go.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 7, 2023 11:06:56 GMT -5
I pray that it is not Nelson whacking the assistants and claiming they are responsible for his abysmal W-L record
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 7, 2023 11:10:00 GMT -5
I pray that it is not Nelson whacking the assistants and claiming they are responsible for his abysmal W-L record ...or ADKH telling Nelson: "You are getting another season, but I'm expecting you to revamp your staff."
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Post by Tom on Mar 7, 2023 11:10:30 GMT -5
Everyone involved should have known this was coming for a while so we should have worked out the terms of the severance and the funding of same already. Maybe there’s a good reason. Just don’t know what it could be. From a practical standpoint, unless there is buyout language in the contract, it's hard to work out terms of severance because that is a negotiation between two parties and it's really hard to have that conversation with the guy before he's actually terminated. "Hey, if you win the PL tourney and Dayton, we'll extend you, but if you don't, let's sit down and discuss buyout because we're going to fire you"
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Post by HC92 on Mar 7, 2023 11:21:45 GMT -5
Everyone involved should have known this was coming for a while so we should have worked out the terms of the severance and the funding of same already. Maybe there’s a good reason. Just don’t know what it could be. From a practical standpoint, unless there is buyout language in the contract, it's hard to work out terms of severance because that is a negotiation between two parties and it's really hard to have that conversation with the guy before he's actually terminated. "Hey, if you win the PL tourney and Dayton, we'll extend you, but if you don't, let's sit down and discuss buyout because we're going to fire you" I was thinking more of, “you have zero chance of winning the PL so let’s get ahead of things and negotiate your buyout now so you can get a jump on another job and we can begin our search.” Or just fire him and let him not work in coaching for the next 1-2 years. Did I mention we have a current freshman class of more than 900 kids? Not like the money should be an issue.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 7, 2023 11:23:00 GMT -5
I pray that it is not Nelson whacking the assistants and claiming they are responsible for his abysmal W-L record ...or ADKH telling Nelson: "You are getting another season, but I'm expecting you to revamp your staff." That would be the weakest of all possible moves.
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Post by spenser on Mar 7, 2023 11:31:25 GMT -5
If it’s actually true that more than one assistant coach is looking for other opportunities, it’s a pretty clear sign that we are moving toward a change in head coaches.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 7, 2023 11:35:15 GMT -5
If it’s actually true that more than one assistant coach is looking for other opportunities, it’s a pretty clear sign that we are moving toward a change in head coaches. I think (and hope) you're right. But it's also possible the staff realizes they shouldn't be hitching their wagon to Nelson regardless of what ADKH's decision is.
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Post by spenser on Mar 7, 2023 11:38:01 GMT -5
If it’s actually true that more than one assistant coach is looking for other opportunities, it’s a pretty clear sign that we are moving toward a change in head coaches. I think (and hope) you're right. But it's also possible the staff realizes they shouldn't be hitching their wagon to Nelson regardless of what ADKH's decision is. Im trying to be optimistic. Which gets a little harder every day. I see no logical reason why we shouldn’t move on from Nelson.
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Post by Ignutz on Mar 7, 2023 11:39:37 GMT -5
Or is Kit giving Nelson some time to work the phones and possibly identify a landing spot for himself, wherein it will be announced that he is leaving to pursue another opportunity.
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Post by trimster on Mar 7, 2023 11:59:15 GMT -5
(short as it has been to date), Or is Kit giving Nelson some time to work the phones and possibly identify a landing spot for himself, wherein it will be announced that he is leaving to pursue another opportunity. No coach gets fired any more. In all of the announcements of coaches being "fired" so far this offseason, (short as it has been to date), the announcements are laced with euphemisms. "Leaving to pursue other opportunities", "Mutually parting", etc. I know the euphemisms fit in some instances but certainly not all.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 7, 2023 11:59:38 GMT -5
Or is Kit giving Nelson some time to work the phones and possibly identify a landing spot for himself, wherein it will be announced that he is leaving to pursue another opportunity. Always possible, but highly unlikely. Getting a new job reasonably quickly is a hard task, esp with Nelson’s last four year record.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 7, 2023 12:37:46 GMT -5
I feel like we are going to hear something later this afternoon.....
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Post by hchoops on Mar 7, 2023 12:40:27 GMT -5
Any basis to these feelings ?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 7, 2023 12:58:10 GMT -5
No, just like when you are outside, and you feel snow in the air (that's on its way).
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Post by Crosser on Mar 7, 2023 13:03:39 GMT -5
No, just like when you are outside, and you feel snow in the air (that's on its way). Yes, something is definitely in the air.
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