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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 10, 2023 19:49:55 GMT -5
To Kit Hughes: Your next head coach is below. Go get the best one.
Home Run:
-Tom Crean
D1 Assistants:
-Grant Billmeier (Maryland)
-Adam Cohen (Xavier)
-Gerry McNamara (Syracuse)
-Christian Webster (Virginia Tech)
-Kellen Sampson (Houston)
Current D1 Head Coaches (update)
-Pat Skerry (Towson)
Desperate For Another Head Coaching Gig:
-Dave Paulsen
D2/D3
-The CCC is allowed to nominate TWO candidates from their list of thousands
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 10, 2023 20:00:52 GMT -5
You have got to be kidding, chumming the water. Are you just looking for Brett Nelson 2.0? Are you just looking to “win the press conference” instead of finding a proven leader and teacher who can salvage the program? I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are not seriously supportive of your suggestion
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Post by HC92 on Mar 10, 2023 20:01:36 GMT -5
In his last two jobs at Indiana and Georgia, Crean’s conference record was 86-148 (.368). If he wasn’t connected to RW, I don’t think we’d be that excited about him. He took Marquette to the Final Four in 2002-03 (amazing) but has not been past the Sweet 16 in any other season. He finished first in the B1G twice in nine seasons at Indiana but was otherwise not great. Granted, he took over a program in a bad spot but still not a great job there. Georgia was a train wreck. I’ll take the consistent winner at a lower level who has turned around at least one bad program.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 10, 2023 20:04:59 GMT -5
You have got to be kidding, chumming the water. Are you just looking for Brett Nelson 2.0? Nope. Are you just looking for Nathan Davis 2.0? Mike Maker 2.0? |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 10, 2023 20:06:57 GMT -5
Crean would be a complete and total disaster.
Unsurprisingly, not a good list from BBC, who’s proven not to be a very good evaluator of coaching talent.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 10, 2023 20:08:22 GMT -5
In his last two jobs at Indiana and Georgia, Crean’s conference record was 86-148 (.368). If he wasn’t connected to RW, I don’t think we’d be that excited about him. He took Marquette to the Final Four in 2002-03 (amazing) but has not been past the Sweet 16 in any other season. He finished first in the B1G twice in nine seasons at Indiana but was otherwise not great. Granted, he took over a program in a bad spot but still not a great job there. Georgia was a train wreck. I’ll take the consistent winner at a lower level who has turned around at least one bad program. The Indiana program he inherited had essentially been given one step below a death sentence by the NCAA. Georgia did not go well, but nobody wins there. If we judged RW based on Pittsburgh, we wouldn’t have hired him either. There is a total bass ackwards line of thinking going on that is totally discounting a guy who got Marquette to the Final Four and has a connection to the best coach in HC basketball history in favor of a bunch of guys who have never coached D1 basketball. It’s bananaland. |
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Post by Ray on Mar 10, 2023 20:09:36 GMT -5
In his last two jobs at Indiana and Georgia, Crean’s conference record was 86-148 (.368). If he wasn’t connected to RW, I don’t think we’d be that excited about him. He took Marquette to the Final Four in 2002-03 (amazing) but has not been past the Sweet 16 in any other season. He finished first in the B1G twice in nine seasons at Indiana but was otherwise not great. Granted, he took over a program in a bad spot but still not a great job there. Georgia was a train wreck. I’ll take the consistent winner at a lower level who has turned around at least one bad program. If our criteria is "more than one trip to the Elite 8 or beyond", we're going to have a pretty short list.
Anyway, BBC has clearly staked out his position, but which way ADKH goes in terms of profile is, I think, a fascinating question. I hope at this early stage he's considering a full range of candidates.
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Post by Ray on Mar 10, 2023 20:10:30 GMT -5
In his last two jobs at Indiana and Georgia, Crean’s conference record was 86-148 (.368). If he wasn’t connected to RW, I don’t think we’d be that excited about him. He took Marquette to the Final Four in 2002-03 (amazing) but has not been past the Sweet 16 in any other season. He finished first in the B1G twice in nine seasons at Indiana but was otherwise not great. Granted, he took over a program in a bad spot but still not a great job there. Georgia was a train wreck. I’ll take the consistent winner at a lower level who has turned around at least one bad program. The Indiana program he inherited had essentially been given one step below a death sentence by the NCAA. Georgia did not go well, but nobody wins there.If we judged RW based on Pittsburgh, we wouldn’t have hired him either. There is a total bass ackwards line of thinking going on that is totally discounting a guy who got Marquette to the Final Four and has a connection to the best coach in HC basketball history in favor of a bunch of guys who have never coached D1 basketball. It’s bananaland.
Right, because noted blue-blood basketball program Alabama is the #1 team in the country, just like it's always been.
Cut the crap, BBC. I'm actually intrigued by Crean, but you're doing a terrible job of selling him here.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 10, 2023 20:11:01 GMT -5
Crean would be a complete and total disaster. Unsurprisingly, not a good list from BBC, who’s proven not to be a very good evaluator of coaching talent. Crean: Marquette to Final Four, Indiana to S16 after NCAA sanctions (virtually akin to the current HC debacle), struggle at Georgia Paulsen: Bucknell to PLC, struggle at George Mason SOV Line of Thinking: Crean = Disaster … Paulsen = Second Coming Totally wrong. |
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 10, 2023 20:13:05 GMT -5
Believe some of these new names should be added to the pre-existing thread.
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Post by Tom on Mar 10, 2023 20:15:36 GMT -5
has a connection to the best coach in HC basketball history I brought up the name Sachs when Coach Carmody was hired, Also when Coach Nelson was hired. When the day comes, I will likely bring it up again |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 10, 2023 20:18:36 GMT -5
Crean would be a complete and total disaster. Unsurprisingly, not a good list from BBC, who’s proven not to be a very good evaluator of coaching talent. Crean: Marquette to Final Four, Indiana to S16 after NCAA sanctions (virtually akin to the current HC debacle), struggle at Georgia Paulsen: Bucknell to PLC, struggle at George Mason SOV Line of Thinking: Crean = Disaster … Paulsen = Second Coming Totally wrong. Paulsen the second coming? What? He’s just a good coach who has impressed me even more with what he’s done at Fordham than what he accomplished at Bucknell. The guy who was at UGA before Crean actually won there (Mark Fox). You’re incredibly out of touch with how this stuff works. Kellen Sampson. Is that a joke? 1) He’s in line to take over the #1 in the country if his old man decides to retire. 2) He’s making a lot more money now than he would be at HC. 3) What about his background and experience would make you think he’d find any success at HC? |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 10, 2023 20:23:47 GMT -5
Crean: Marquette to Final Four, Indiana to S16 after NCAA sanctions (virtually akin to the current HC debacle), struggle at Georgia Paulsen: Bucknell to PLC, struggle at George Mason SOV Line of Thinking: Crean = Disaster … Paulsen = Second Coming Totally wrong. Kellen Sampson. Is that a joke? 1) He’s in line to take over the #1 in the country if his old man decides to retire. 2) He’s making a lot more money now than he would be at HC. 3) What about his background and experience would make you think he’d find any success at HC? He works for one of the best coaches in the country, who has a tough, hard-nosed defensive style that would work at HC. Didn’t say we had a legit chance at getting him, but he has a background that would be very interesting if his father is not planning on hanging it up in the near future and he wants to get some head coaching experience elsewhere. |
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Post by dadominate on Mar 10, 2023 20:25:14 GMT -5
You have got to be kidding, chumming the water. Are you just looking for Brett Nelson 2.0? Nope. Are you just looking for Nathan Davis 2.0? Mike Maker 2.0? seriously? you were touting nathan davis as the second coming at bucknell. the internet doesn’t forget. after consistently disparaging those of us who knew your guy nelson was never going to get it done at hc, you may want to consider toning down the smugness given how consistently and absolutely horrible your takes on head coaches have been at hc and elsewhere. |
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Post by mm67 on Mar 10, 2023 20:27:21 GMT -5
Expect the AD will ignore this board and proceed in his own way. Don't want older retreads. Prefer experienced successful youth with enthusiasm & personality. See BC. Keith Urgo was a great choice at FU. Hopefully HC will catch lightning in a bottle. The school will choose & I will support. Hope others will support the school's choice.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 10, 2023 20:29:35 GMT -5
Nope. Are you just looking for Nathan Davis 2.0? Mike Maker 2.0? seriously? you were touting nathan davis as the second coming at bucknell. the internet doesn’t forget. after consistently disparaging those of us who knew your guy nelson was never going to get it done at hc, you may want to consider toning down the smugness given how consistently and absolutely horrible your takes on head coaches have been at hc and elsewhere. Nope. I said all along that Nelson deserved this year to prove himself and I was 100% correct (just like Colgate was 100% correct for not firing Langel prematurely). He had his chance and failed and there is now a unanimous understanding that he should have been let go. Re: Davis, I said I would have taken him over Carmody. Both ended up being a disaster. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 10, 2023 20:34:56 GMT -5
BBC: “I was 100% correct “ !!!! This is, as they say. “Comedy Gold”, just too funny!
Nelson proved himself very early in his tenure as head coach. He certainly did not need a fourth year.
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Post by fz on Mar 10, 2023 20:38:41 GMT -5
Torey Thomas
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Post by spenser on Mar 10, 2023 20:39:42 GMT -5
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Post by DiMarz on Mar 10, 2023 20:44:16 GMT -5
has a connection to the best coach in HC basketball history I brought up the name Sachs when Coach Carmody was hired, Also when Coach Nelson was hired. When the day comes, I will likely bring it up again Agree! and bring back RJ, along with Torey..And fill out the staff with some experienced coaches. Sachs would fit in at Holy Cross, he was here with Coach Willard.. His teams have all done well, proven winner! |
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Post by fz on Mar 10, 2023 20:45:56 GMT -5
Big #@*&$~! Being a coach hasn't made a difference with some past hires. SK for one. |
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Post by HC92 on Mar 10, 2023 20:46:44 GMT -5
Crean had three NBA draft picks when he went to the Final Four 20 years ago. If he can get the modern equivalent of Dwayne Wade and two other NBA draft picks (one whose name I refuse to say) to come to HC,
sign me up.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 10, 2023 20:48:05 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 10, 2023 20:50:52 GMT -5
Setting aside the BBC Derangement Syndrome for a second, there is a very clear theme at the top of the short list here:
1) Style
2) Mentors/Career Influence
3) Recruiting Fit
Crean: Perhaps as close to an RW clone as we could ever hope for (after Pine fumbled a chance at KW)
Billmeier: Worked for KW BUILDING successful programs in the Northeast + DMV
Cohen: Works for an elite coach in Sean Miller, with extensive experience recruiting academic kids — Harvard, Vanderbilt, Stanford, Rice.
McNamara: Major splash name hire, and I have read infinity posts about the need to play zone at HC.
Webster: Don’t know much about him but he’s worked for two good-to-great coaches in Buzz Williams + Mike Young, Harvard grad, from the DMV.
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Post by trimster on Mar 10, 2023 20:59:13 GMT -5
It was rumored Brown's head coach, was a finalist when BN was hired. His record over the last 4 years at Brown is 64-53. Brown has traditionally been a very tough place to win. If he is interested, I would give him a serious look. Seems like he has done a very nice job recruiting at Brown.
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