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Post by purple1 on Dec 19, 2016 9:59:56 GMT -5
Coaches recruit players - first and foremost. It requires excellent assessment, extra effort and hard work. BG does not improve player's game skills in the 4 years of coaching as we have witnessed.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 19, 2016 10:42:58 GMT -5
Are you saying be never improved his players' skills or just since schollie era?
If it was and is all about recruiting, are the better type players he was able to recruit in the past and had to pay their own way now turning up their noses at Holy Cross now that they can go for free?
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Post by HC13 on Dec 19, 2016 11:21:55 GMT -5
Are you saying be never improved his players' skills or just since schollie era?the money came in If it was and is all about recruiting, are the better type players he was able to recruit in the past and had to pay their own way now turning up their noses at Holy Cross now that they can go for free? No, I don't think so, as I have suggested many times in the past, the nature of women's recruiting has changed dramatically since the 90's. Prior to about the mid-nineties what are now the major conferences spent little money on women's basketball. As Title 9 enforcement began to increase money started to roll in and recruiting efforts increased significantly and the results showed. The biggest problem of course is there is limited depth of talent in the HS WBB and the subset of academically appropriate kids is even smaller. In large degree, the single biggest factor is the increase in activity by the Ivy's over the last 10 yrs or so. There are any number of kids that were recruited by HC & other PL teams on the rosters of Penn, Princeton, Harvard, Brown and especially Yale. The girls are increasing committing to schools earlier than in the past, often before the start of their junior season, as a result, the miss rate is increasing. Also, kids our much more willing to transfer than in the past which has had a effect in the PL, less so HC. Although HC has struggled to finish games so far, the PL is very competitive this season and any one of 5 or 6 teams could win the regular season, injuries are going to be a big factor
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 19, 2016 11:26:31 GMT -5
The record as measured by wins -- comparing two eleven year spans
1995-96 23 1996-97 23 1997-98 21 1998-99 21 Scollies restored 1999-00 23 2000-01 21 2001-02 23 2002-03 24 2003-04 13 2004-05 20 2005-06 16
2006-07 15 2007-08 19 2008-09 13 2009-10 10 2010-11 10 2011-12 19 2012-13 18 2013-14 20 2014-15 15 2015-16 13 2016-17 (2) 10 games into the season
Early 1990s. 1990-91 25 First year of PL 1991-92 16 1992-93 22 1993-94 15 1994-95 21
Assuming that this season will be below 20 wins, that will make two seasons with at least 20 wins and a winning percentage of .600+ over the last 14 seasons.
IMO, the team started becoming less successful in 2003-04, and that's about the time that most of the other PL schools started catching up with the scollies. American and HC were out-front in awarding scollies, and the other schools lagged. (Not that dis-similar with HC football lagging.)
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Post by lou on Dec 19, 2016 11:49:52 GMT -5
Back in the day when Brian Giorgis dominated girls high school basketball north of NYC at Our Lady of Lourdes in Poughkeepsie, it always seemed that catholic schools were a great source of talented players, we got a few. I don't know if that's still the case, but I have always wondered why we can't recruit more talented players from the catholic high schools
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Post by HC13 on Dec 19, 2016 11:50:17 GMT -5
True, but like most things, doesn't tell the complete tale. How many of those seasons were sabotaged by multiple injuries to key players, and yes, the other PL schools started to increase funds in that era. HC may well make a coaching, although next year is probably his make or break year. I have watch a number of games by other teams in the PL this year, there likely will not be a dominate team as has been the case over the last several years with Navy & Army as well as Bucknell last year. I can see HC finishing anywhere between 1-6 with a 12-6 ish record, if they can stay relatively injury free.
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Post by HC13 on Dec 19, 2016 11:51:46 GMT -5
Back in the day when Brian Giorgis dominated girls high school basketball north of NYC at Our Lady of Lourdes in Poughkeepsie, it always seemed that catholic schools were a great source of talented players, we got a few. I don't know if that's still the case, but I have always wondered why we can't recruit more talented players from the catholic high schools Because most of the kids aren't Catholic and often their choice is to go to a better league or an Ivy
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 19, 2016 13:53:19 GMT -5
hc13, please stop making excuses for the condition of this program. we are now '327' in the rpi, i think our 'all-time' lowest ranking. we have 'not' had a hard ooc schedule, and our win over marist was a fortunate one as they shot 24% from the field (and 10% from 3). this team is poorly constructed and is soft. i'm not saying the season is doomed but BG better find more contributors other than thomas-waheed and manis, and fast ! www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-women/d1/ncaa-womens-basketball-rpi
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Post by gks on Dec 19, 2016 14:04:46 GMT -5
Senior leadership has been a big problem on this team for a number of years. And by leadership I mean stats. Losing R. Scott last year was a big blow....she was a difference maker and poised for a big year but other than her Gibbons has not had 'that' girl who has dominated. Years ago would always have a player step up their senior year and lead the team...Kaitlin Foley, Monica Rothemich, etc. Hasn't had that in a number of years.
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Post by HC13 on Dec 19, 2016 15:12:45 GMT -5
hc13, please stop making excuses for the condition of this program. we are now '327' in the rpi, i think our 'all-time' lowest ranking. we have 'not' had a hard ooc schedule, and our win over marist was a fortunate one as they shot 24% from the field (and 10% from 3). this team is poorly constructed and is soft. i'm not saying the season is doomed but BG better find more contributors other than thomas-waheed and manis, and fast ! www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-women/d1/ncaa-womens-basketball-rpiSorry if you thought I was making excuses, rather I thought I was answering a question. I think if you go back & looked at my comments from the beginning of the year I've said more than once that the primary concerns were shooting from guards & how quick the Frosh advanced and those concerns remain.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 19, 2016 15:38:17 GMT -5
I have not been watching the girl's team but BG said at coaches night that the freshmen are talented but inexperienced freshmen and the team would go as far as how quickly they developed, IIRC.
It was an exercise in lowering any listener's expectations.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Dec 19, 2016 15:54:28 GMT -5
If we had a good senior class the freshmen wouldn't need to play so much so soon.
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Post by HC13 on Dec 19, 2016 16:06:15 GMT -5
If we had a good senior class the freshmen wouldn't need to play so much so soon. As there is only 1, perhaps not, but it is a fair criticism that they've gotten their classes totally unbalanced by far too many misses.
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Post by biggestfan on Dec 19, 2016 20:53:32 GMT -5
I think Purple Haze is close. Most of you are assuming that the best players that are in the game on any given day. HC has some players (including some who never play) that faced the exact same competition in many cases the exact faces numerous times during years of aau play. And those HC players did a lot better then than they do now, often stealing the show with solid fundamentals and getting all the attention at recruiting time. Competing players who where once frustrated and severely outplayed by HC players are now stars on winning teams. HC has allows some FG percentages to continue that would be questionable at any level.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 21, 2016 14:36:06 GMT -5
If we had a good senior class the freshmen wouldn't need to play so much so soon. Wait until the next men's season (or two)
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Post by sarasota on Dec 22, 2016 2:28:14 GMT -5
It's obvious that there's been no individual improvements in Doherty's, Ganser's or Byrne's games. This is a responsibility of the coaches--and the players.
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