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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 23, 2023 10:13:00 GMT -5
The EA/ED argument is a longstanding debate in college admissions circles. ED is essentially up to 100 percent yield but is a tacit admission that a school will struggle with yield against peers in the regular admissions pool. Penn is well known for filling a large share of its class through ED because they will likely lose them to H-Y-P in the regular admissions cycle.
That said, is Holy Cross starting to see a shift in its peer schools?
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Post by alum on Mar 23, 2023 10:26:19 GMT -5
The EA/ED argument is a longstanding debate in college admissions circles. ED is essentially up to 100 percent yield but is a tacit admission that a school will struggle with yield against peers in the regular admissions pool. Penn is well known for filling a large share of its class through ED because they will likely lose them to H-Y-P in the regular admissions cycle. That said, is Holy Cross starting to see a shift in its peer schools? Not sure if it is shifting, but below you can find the schools HC uses to compare itself. The College sees itself (or wants people to see it ) as a small liberal arts college. The students who are admitted see it as a Catholic college and/or a New England college. I don't know how recently these lists were created. www.holycross.edu/finance/institutional-research/comparison-schools20‐School Comparison Group--
Institutions represent a mix of Patriot League, local, aspirational, and academically similar
institutions.
1 Amherst
2 Bates
3 Bowdoin
4 Bucknell
5 Clark
6 Colby
7 Colgate
8 Davidson
9 Holy Cross
10 Lafayette
11 Middlebury
12 Mt. Holyoke
13 Oberlin
14 Pomona
15 Smith
16 Trinity
17 Wellesley
18 Wesleyan
19 Williams
20 WPIAdmissions Overlap Schools---
Schools sharing the most cross‐admitted students with Holy Cross (per the College Board).
1 Boston College 2 Boston University 3 Fairfield 4 Fordham 5 Georgetown 6 Holy Cross 7 Loyola / Md. 8 Northeastern 9 Notre Dame 10 Providence 11 Stonehill 12 Univ. of Connecticut 13 Univ. of Massachusetts / Amherst 14 Villanova
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Post by purplenurple on Mar 23, 2023 11:27:13 GMT -5
BU really surprises me. Maybe the Turnpike Trophy extends to admissions as well...
For me, I think Colgate/Davidson are the paradigm we should strive for: academically prestigious liberal arts colleges with competitive D1 programs (especially in the big sports: football, basketball, lacrosse, hockey (Colgate only).
Having no Catholic schools on the comparison list is odd. I know we are unique a Jesuit liberal arts college, but as seen in the overlap schools, being a Catholic institution figures largely in our applicant pool.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 23, 2023 14:19:07 GMT -5
The kids and parents see us as a good Catholic school (and tolerate the fact we are exclusively liberal arts).
Which is why the college board notes our top 4 overlap schools are BC, FU, Notre Dame and PC. In alphabetical order.
Let the admins fantasize about Holy Cross (!) tapping the secular LAC market.
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Post by alum on Mar 23, 2023 14:32:15 GMT -5
The kids and parents see us as a good Catholic school (and tolerate the fact we are exclusively liberal arts). Which is why the college board notes our top 4 overlap schools are BC, FU, Notre Dame and PC. In alphabetical order. Let the admins fantasize about Holy Cross (!) tapping the secular LAC market. I think that our Admissions staff disagrees with you. See this list of spring college fair visits. It is filled with prep schools. admissions.holycross.edu/portal/travel
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Post by hcpride on Mar 23, 2023 15:03:13 GMT -5
The kids and parents see us as a good Catholic school (and tolerate the fact we are exclusively liberal arts). Which is why the college board notes our top 4 overlap schools are BC, FU, Notre Dame and PC. In alphabetical order. Let the admins fantasize about Holy Cross (!) tapping the secular LAC market. I think that our Admissions staff disagrees with you. See this list of spring college fair visits. It is filled with prep schools. admissions.holycross.edu/portal/travelWell, what good is having an ‘aspirational’ list if you don’t aspire? You never know. 👍
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Post by mm67 on Mar 23, 2023 15:16:14 GMT -5
How many schools in the first group, the School Comparison Group have Div. I Athletics Programs? And the largely Catholic Admissions Overlap school athletic programs are Div? It has been the contention of some that HC was trying to break away from the "large gyms, small libraries" weak academic image of Catholic Universities & Colleges. Catholic institutions are largely dismissed in academia as primarily religious institutions not truly high level academic institutions. Please don't confuse rigor with top level academic inquiry. Most in the general population lump all Catholic colleges together - Iona to HC - one & the same under the rule of an autocratic pope. Some called it a Catholic school ghetto mentality. Many critics would airily dismiss the defense of Catholic bashing. HC tried to break the mold. It failed. Failure to be considered for NESCAC dealt a death blow to HC's aspirations. The school is a top end Catholic college with all that implies. Rest assured I am not in total agreement with the Catholic school critics. Although TBT having done a minimal amount of work among the "atheists" at Columbia I must admit there is a difference. Accept & move on.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 23, 2023 17:15:06 GMT -5
How many schools in the first group, the School Comparison Group have Div. I Athletics Programs? And the largely Catholic Admissions Overlap school athletic programs are Div? It has been the contention of some that HC was trying to break away from the "large gyms, small libraries" weak academic image of Catholic Universities & Colleges. Catholic institutions are largely dismissed in academia as primarily religious institutions not truly high level academic institutions. Please don't confuse rigor with top level academic inquiry . Most in the general population lump all Catholic colleges together - Iona to HC - one & the same under the rule of an autocratic pope. Some called it a Catholic school ghetto mentality. Many critics would airily dismiss the defense of Catholic bashing. HC tried to break the mold. It failed. Failure to be considered for NESCAC dealt a death blow to HC's aspirations. The school is a top end Catholic college with all that implies. Rest assured I am not in total agreement with the Catholic school critics. Although TBT having done a minimal amount of work among the "atheists" at Columbia I must admit there is a difference. Accept & move on. More like the rule of Imperial and Autocratic Bishops that fail to collaborate with the academic institutions in their geopolitical realm as we have seen with recent interventions.
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Post by thesip on Mar 23, 2023 19:29:39 GMT -5
The kids and parents see us as a good Catholic school (and tolerate the fact we are exclusively liberal arts). Which is why the college board notes our top 4 overlap schools are BC, FU, Notre Dame and PC. In alphabetical order. Let the admins fantasize about Holy Cross (!) tapping the secular LAC market. I been watching this board ever since my kid, now a freshman, was accepted to HC. This is my first post - here goes. We are from the deep South. Think the heart of SEC country. The parents and kids in this part of the country who have heard of HC - a few, but certainly not many - believe HC to be among the best colleges in the USA. It enjoys an excellent reputation. Upon learning of my child’s acceptance to HC, a friend asked, “Is HC an Ivy League school?” The folks here who are interested in sending their kids to excellent colleges have a general opinion of HC as a top notch small college with an excellent reputation on par with Williams, Amherst, other NESCAC schools, as well as Bucknell, Colgate etc… In other words, there are the eight Ivy League schools followed by schools like HC.
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Post by thesip on Mar 23, 2023 19:29:53 GMT -5
The kids and parents see us as a good Catholic school (and tolerate the fact we are exclusively liberal arts). Which is why the college board notes our top 4 overlap schools are BC, FU, Notre Dame and PC. In alphabetical order. Let the admins fantasize about Holy Cross (!) tapping the secular LAC market. I been watching this board ever since my kid, now a freshman, was accepted to HC. This is my first post - here goes. We are from the deep South. Think the heart of SEC country. The parents and kids in this part of the country who have heard of HC - a few, but certainly not many - believe HC to be among the best colleges in the USA. It enjoys an excellent reputation. Upon learning of my child’s acceptance to HC, a friend asked, “Is HC an Ivy League school?” The folks here who are interested in sending their kids to excellent colleges have a general opinion of HC as a top notch small college with an excellent reputation on par with Williams, Amherst, other NESCAC schools, as well as Bucknell, Colgate etc… In other words, there are the eight Ivy League schools followed by schools like HC.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 23, 2023 19:49:24 GMT -5
Welcome, thesip!
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 23, 2023 22:36:25 GMT -5
First posting news about HC admissions on LinkedIn is undisciplined messaging by the College. Worthy of a good rap on the knuckles by Sister Perpetua. LinkedIn is/should not be the primary forum for such news. Wrong audience. Incomplete and cryptic information. Looks as if someone pulled one slide from a slide deck. Maybe a student has a job posting information about the College. If so, he/she is excused. I'll save Sr. Perpetua's ruler for the new Vice President for Communications and Marketing, and/or the Vice President for Enrollment Management. There was one benefit arising from the LinkedIn post. I learned that Fr. McF is in Washington. He is President of the Gregorian University Foundation. The Gregorian University is the successor to the Roman College, founded by Ignatius of Loyola in 1551. Fr. McF's office is not in a Georgetown University-owned property, but in a small commercial office building near the University, above the UPS store that I sometimes use. THIS IS 100 PERCENT CORRECT. LinkedIn isn't a social media news site.
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Post by alum on Mar 24, 2023 7:22:48 GMT -5
The kids and parents see us as a good Catholic school (and tolerate the fact we are exclusively liberal arts). Which is why the college board notes our top 4 overlap schools are BC, FU, Notre Dame and PC. In alphabetical order. Let the admins fantasize about Holy Cross (!) tapping the secular LAC market. I been watching this board ever since my kid, now a freshman, was accepted to HC. This is my first post - here goes. We are from the deep South. Think the heart of SEC country. The parents and kids in this part of the country who have heard of HC - a few, but certainly not many - believe HC to be among the best colleges in the USA. It enjoys an excellent reputation. Upon learning of my child’s acceptance to HC, a friend asked, “Is HC an Ivy League school?” The folks here who are interested in sending their kids to excellent colleges have a general opinion of HC as a top notch small college with an excellent reputation on par with Williams, Amherst, other NESCAC schools, as well as Bucknell, Colgate etc… In other words, there are the eight Ivy League schools followed by schools like HC. Welcome There is a respect in many parts of the country for the idea of going "back East" to college. My wife works in higher education fundraising and has spoken with parents and alumni/parents who have wanted their children to do just that. Sometimes they get push back from kids who would rather attend their Big 10 state universities which are obviously great schools, too.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 24, 2023 7:41:13 GMT -5
First posting news about HC admissions on LinkedIn is undisciplined messaging by the College. Worthy of a good rap on the knuckles by Sister Perpetua. LinkedIn is/should not be the primary forum for such news. Wrong audience. Incomplete and cryptic information. Looks as if someone pulled one slide from a slide deck. Maybe a student has a job posting information about the College. If so, he/she is excused. I'll save Sr. Perpetua's ruler for the new Vice President for Communications and Marketing, and/or the Vice President for Enrollment Management. There was one benefit arising from the LinkedIn post. I learned that Fr. McF is in Washington. He is President of the Gregorian University Foundation. The Gregorian University is the successor to the Roman College, founded by Ignatius of Loyola in 1551. Fr. McF's office is not in a Georgetown University-owned property, but in a small commercial office building near the University, above the UPS store that I sometimes use. In the aftermath of the Elon Musk purchase of Twitter, President Rougeau announced he would no longer be using Twitter for his social media posts and instead would be using LinkedIn. Of course, far fewer people will see our good news about the acceptance rate in LinkedIn but that matters not. Have to take a stand against big, bad Elon.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 24, 2023 9:27:29 GMT -5
/\ /\ I think he’s back on Twitter (the boycott stuff fizzled following the recent revelations regarding pre-Musk Twitter).
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Post by HC92 on Mar 24, 2023 10:13:51 GMT -5
/\ /\ I think he’s back on Twitter (the boycott stuff fizzled following the recent revelations regarding pre-Musk Twitter). One tweet and one re-tweet about women’s basketball since his announced departure. Not quite ready to admit he was wrong yet.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 24, 2023 10:26:31 GMT -5
Read Twitter business has declined 40% since Musk's takeover. Maybe, the market will decide about Twitter.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 24, 2023 12:16:52 GMT -5
I think Musk may have cleaned up some of the robot posts and that would contribute to the decline in activity
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 24, 2023 15:36:54 GMT -5
The decline in Twitter use is primarily the result of a diminished presence on the platform by the most active users. These most active users comprise about 10 percent of all active users, but generate about 90 percent of Twitter's revenue.
The composition of the most active users has also shifted; porn and crypto are on the rise. Advertisers shun both.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 24, 2023 21:44:52 GMT -5
The decline in Twitter use is primarily the result of a diminished presence on the platform by the most active users. These most active users comprise about 10 percent of all active users, but generate about 90 percent of Twitter's revenue. The composition of the most active users has also shifted; porn and crypto are on the rise. Advertisers shun both. I found these exact talking points in Yahoo! News from shortly before Musk’s purchase in October. The purported source was “leaked documents.” No idea whether these things were true then but don’t think they’re true now and can’t find anything credible online about whether recent Twitter usage is up or down. If you want to reach a broad audience with your social media posts about your admissions rate, I am confident you can spread that info much more quickly and broadly on Twitter than LinkedIn.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 25, 2023 7:02:29 GMT -5
The decline in Twitter use is primarily the result of a diminished presence on the platform by the most active users. These most active users comprise about 10 percent of all active users, but generate about 90 percent of Twitter's revenue. The composition of the most active users has also shifted; porn and crypto are on the rise. Advertisers shun both. I found these exact talking points in Yahoo! News from shortly before Musk’s purchase in October. The purported source was “leaked documents.” No idea whether these things were true then but don’t think they’re true now and can’t find anything credible online about whether recent Twitter usage is up or down. If you want to reach a broad audience with your social media posts about your admissions rate, I am confident you can spread that info much more quickly and broadly on Twitter than LinkedIn. I suspect a good swath of former Twitter users were quite happy to see the banning of folks questioning the (then) prevailing ‘expert’ narratives on Covid Origen, mask efficacy, school closing and natural immunity. One would imagine the belated mea culpas from the scientific ‘experts’ and the recently released Twitter Files revelations have actually increased usage in some other quarters. And your point regarding Twitter and Holy Cross regarding getting the word out is well taken.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 25, 2023 7:17:29 GMT -5
This was published on March 24th (yesterday). It was not published by the College. The source is The Spire and the author is the news editor of the campus newspaper. I daresay, this is what you should expect from a college or university with respect to an announcement on admissions.
I can find nothing on a HC website that references VR's comments; perhaps there was an internal communication,.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 25, 2023 7:42:49 GMT -5
Pres. VR is on his way to becoming a once in a generation transitional leader of HC. The initiatives mentioned in Pak's post are impactful & wonderful! I realize that admissions numbers grab the headlines but there is much of more importance. The changes to the culture, the fabric of life at HC are enormous. These changes will diversify, enhance & improve academic/campus life. HC is evolving & growing as a leading elite academics institution, These changes were long overdue. And, more growth is on the way. VR & his administration are to be commended for their enlightened leadership. Amazing!
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Post by hcpride on Mar 25, 2023 8:03:13 GMT -5
“The College received 23% more applicants during the 2023 admissions cycle than the previous year. This is a record-breaking number for Holy Cross. Last year, the College received 7,036 applications for the Class of 2026. This year, that number increased to approximately 8,654 applicants for the Class of 2027. Because of this, the College had a 21% admission rate for this year’s applicant pool. This is substantially more selective than the previous year, where the admission rate was 36% for the Class of 2026 and an even greater decrease than the 43% admission rate for the Class of 2025. A 21% acceptance rate is a record-breaking number for the College, as the lowest acceptance rates in previous years were 33% in 2013-2014 and 34% in 2019-2020. “
Clearly the college is (and has always been) greatly concerned about its acceptance rate. Kudos to the current team for executing a multifaceted strategy to boost applications and thus substantially improve it.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 25, 2023 8:53:23 GMT -5
Although the increase in apps is gratifying it is superficial to posit that the prime purpose of the various outreach initiatives was merely to boost numbers and lower the acceptance rate. A look at the initiatives clearly shows an attempt to widen the pool of applicants geographically, from urban to rural and bring students from more diverse backgrounds - ethnic & cultural. These changes will have a lasting, deep, meaningful impact on HC.
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