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Post by flutiewasrejected on Mar 21, 2023 14:00:30 GMT -5
Today (see LinkedIn) Holy Cross announced the largest increase (+23%) and lowest acceptance rate (21%) in school history.
Wow.
Before I start allowing these numbers to get concocted with school pride, can someone help with the below?
2022 Total Applications: 7,036
2023 Application Increase: +23%
2023 Admissions: 8,654
2023 Acceptance Rate: 21%
2023 # of Accepted Students: 1,817
Historical Yield: 30%
Est. Admitted Class Yield: 545
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Where did I go wrong? Is the school really trying to make up for current freshmen class by only targeting a class size of ~545?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 21, 2023 14:38:30 GMT -5
Today (see LinkedIn) Holy Cross announced the largest increase (+23%) and lowest acceptance rate (21%) in school history. Wow. Before I start allowing these numbers to get concocted with school pride, can someone help with the below? 2022 Total Admissions: 7,036 2023 Application Increase: +23% 2023 Admissions: 8,654 2023 Acceptance Rate: 21% 2023 # of Accepted Students: 1,817 Historical Yield: 30% Est. Admitted Class Yield: 545 ... Where did I go wrong? Is the school really trying to make up for current freshmen class by only targeting a class size of ~545? Where is the LinkedIn link? The College cannot calculate a yield in mid-March.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 21, 2023 14:45:20 GMT -5
For the class that entered in the fall of 2022, (class of 2026)
Applied: 7,036 Admitted: 2,558 Enrolled: 903
If for the class of 2027, Applied 8,654 Admitted: TBD Enrolled: TBD
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Post by purplenurple on Mar 21, 2023 14:47:53 GMT -5
Wasn't yield historically high last year? Maybe they are counting on a similarly higher yield and if they need to fill out the class go to the waitlist?
However you slice it up, impressive increase in applications and tight acceptance rate.
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Post by alum on Mar 21, 2023 14:48:24 GMT -5
But Phreek, they are estimating it already. Why not just say, estimated number of students if historic yield applies and then say they think that the yield will be higher this year. I wonder if schools with jumps in applications also historically get increases in yield as well. I am certain that in this data driven business, that information is out there. If they are reducing the size of the class by that much to address last year's problem, that seems like a bad idea. Last year's yield was 35.3% www.holycross.edu/finance/institutional-research See page 7 of the 22-23 CDS If we apply 35.3% to the 1817 accepatances, we are still only at 641 first years in the fall.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 21, 2023 15:14:10 GMT -5
But Phreek, they are estimating it already. Why not just say, estimated number of students if historic yield applies and then say they think that the yield will be higher this year. I wonder if schools with jumps in applications also historically get increases in yield as well. I am certain that in this data driven business, that information is out there. If they are reducing the size of the class by that much to address last year's problem, that seems like a bad idea. Last year's yield was 35.3% www.holycross.edu/finance/institutional-research See page 7 of the 22-23 CDS If we apply 35.3% to the 1817 accepatances, we are still only at 641 first years in the fall. I went to LinkedIn for Holy Cross, there was no post with admission's data for the class of 2027, the class that will enter this fall. Where is HC estimating the yield for the class of 2027? I need a source. The only yield numbers that would be in-hand today would be the Early Decision applicants.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 21, 2023 15:20:09 GMT -5
As has been discussed before on Crossports HC has been negligent in the past in marketing itself. Perhaps that is changing. I think PVR gets the need to do so. Is there any reason HC couldn't get 20,000 applications?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 21, 2023 15:22:58 GMT -5
Regular Admissions decisions for the Ivies are being sent out on March 30. I assume HC has a similar date.
If so, HC won't have an admitted number until March 30 or 31. ---------------------
The Common Data Set that was very recently released is for 2022-23. This is for the class of 2026, that entered in the fall of 2022.
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Post by alum on Mar 21, 2023 15:35:01 GMT -5
Regular Admissions decisions for the Ivies are being sent out on March 30. I assume HC has a similar date. If so, HC won't have an admitted number until March 30 or 31. --------------------- The Common Data Set that was very recently released is for 2022-23. This is for the class of 2026, that entered in the fall of 2022. There is a post on the College's Facebook account indicating that admissions decisions went out a few days ago.
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Post by flutiewasrejected on Mar 21, 2023 15:39:26 GMT -5
Flutie— I think you are saying “admissions” when you mean “applications”. Might want to edit—easy to correct Noted, thank you
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Post by matunuck on Mar 21, 2023 15:39:53 GMT -5
Admissions released decisions early this week. Not surprised by big jump in apps.
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Post by flutiewasrejected on Mar 21, 2023 15:43:12 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 21, 2023 15:48:49 GMT -5
Regular Admissions decisions for the Ivies are being sent out on March 30. I assume HC has a similar date. If so, HC won't have an admitted number until March 30 or 31. --------------------- The Common Data Set that was very recently released is for 2022-23. This is for the class of 2026, that entered in the fall of 2022. There is a post on the College's Facebook account indicating that admissions decisions went out a few days ago. Thank you. I found that, and I also found several tweets, including a Welcoming Early Decision applicants who were accepted, and who had to commit weeks ago. It is possible that there are 'numbers' posted on the portal for applicants to the Class of 2027, and one or more of the applicants has re-posted the numbers elsewhere, In any event, those numbers would not have a yield number for the entire class.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 21, 2023 15:50:12 GMT -5
Edit: was responding to the 545 students post
I can’t imagine that we’d want to shrink the enrollment like that.
I wonder if the new Prior Center is (a) broadening the reach and appeal of HC and generating increased applications and/or (b) increasing enrollment of”artsy” types. I think I have asked this before but I don’t know where to look for the answers
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 21, 2023 16:08:41 GMT -5
The yield will be higher than 30 percent. It is likely the yield will be above 40 percent, and that they are planning on a yield of 40+ percent.
For the class of 2026, Holy Cross admitted 400+ Early Decision students. There were 500 Early Decision applicants, and 6,500 regular applicants.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 21, 2023 16:28:20 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Mar 21, 2023 16:42:43 GMT -5
21% acceptance rate is a very nice improvement for us. (No idea how this improvement compares to our peers like BC, PC, FU, etc.)
On a slightly different note:
Last cycle (2026) was a significant bounce back in the key category of Early Decision wherein we had 503 applicants and accepted 407.
Two cycles ago (2025) was a disappointing year in the key category of Early Decision in that only 362 applied and we accepted 296...that (296) alone explains a lot of our issues that year regarding overall acceptance rate. [Accepting 296/362 is in and of itself interesting but that's another story]
I strongly suspect we had another relatively strong year in terms of Early Decision numbers - extraordinarily helpful in terms of statistics and other factor$.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 21, 2023 16:47:19 GMT -5
There was an interesting article in either The Times or WaPO. It described non-academic steps colleges take purely to ramp up admissions numbers. One strategy is manipulating Early Action? Older age, can't remember the details.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 21, 2023 16:49:17 GMT -5
21% acceptance rate is extraordinary.
Logic tells you that the more Early Decision applications you get and the more you accept, the “pickier” you can be with regular applications. That helps create a lower over all acceptance rate.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 21, 2023 17:34:48 GMT -5
Let’s call it the ‘Sluka Bump’
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 21, 2023 18:29:43 GMT -5
Edit: was responding to the 545 students post I can’t imagine that we’d want to shrink the enrollment like that. I wonder if the new Prior Center is (a) broadening the reach and appeal of HC and generating increased applications and/or (b) increasing enrollment of”artsy” types. I think I have asked this before but I don’t know where to look for the answers One can imagine a prospective student who is interested in the arts touring the PPAC and deciding HC is the place for them. I'm convinced it's going to be a magnet for certain applicants.
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Post by matunuck on Mar 21, 2023 19:05:50 GMT -5
Among other things, they spent a lot more time focusing on high school guidance counselors from places we largely ignored or didn’t pay enough attention to under the old regime. This is just a start.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 21, 2023 20:16:15 GMT -5
Among other things, they spent a lot more time focusing on high school guidance counselors from places we largely ignored or didn’t pay enough attention to under the old regime. This is just a start. The class of 2024 was 56 percent from Massachusetts. The class of 2026 is 36 percent from Massachusetts. When COVID disrupted the admissions process, Ann's network of long-standing relationships with a chosen set of schools was disrupted, and she found herself adrift.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 22, 2023 5:20:48 GMT -5
21% acceptance rate is extraordinary. Logic tells you that the more Early Decision applications you get and the more you accept, the “pickier” you can be with regular applications. That helps create a lower over all acceptance rate. Yes, if you are selecting for half a class post ED, you need only admit half as many. Sending admit rate way way down. Many other statistical - and otherwi$e - benefits.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 22, 2023 7:20:59 GMT -5
First posting news about HC admissions on LinkedIn is undisciplined messaging by the College. Worthy of a good rap on the knuckles by Sister Perpetua.
LinkedIn is/should not be the primary forum for such news. Wrong audience. Incomplete and cryptic information. Looks as if someone pulled one slide from a slide deck. Maybe a student has a job posting information about the College. If so, he/she is excused. I'll save Sr. Perpetua's ruler for the new Vice President for Communications and Marketing, and/or the Vice President for Enrollment Management.
There was one benefit arising from the LinkedIn post. I learned that Fr. McF is in Washington. He is President of the Gregorian University Foundation. The Gregorian University is the successor to the Roman College, founded by Ignatius of Loyola in 1551. Fr. McF's office is not in a Georgetown University-owned property, but in a small commercial office building near the University, above the UPS store that I sometimes use.
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