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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 23, 2023 11:38:19 GMT -5
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Post by rf1 on Mar 23, 2023 11:41:49 GMT -5
Was this cleared by the Worcester bishop?
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Post by breezy on Mar 23, 2023 12:09:19 GMT -5
Very happy to see my classmate so honored.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 23, 2023 12:34:48 GMT -5
Was this cleared by the Worcester bishop? Is anyone concerned?…….
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 23, 2023 16:25:25 GMT -5
Not me! Actually, if the Bishop spoke out in protest against a speaker, IMHO it could boost the crowd at Commencement.
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Post by dadominate on Mar 24, 2023 10:00:38 GMT -5
holy cross is still a catholic college, right? asking for a friend.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 24, 2023 11:30:37 GMT -5
Only when it’s convenient to call themselves a Catholic college - lower case ‘c’ in most cases - i.e. it depends on what you’re talking about
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 24, 2023 11:31:02 GMT -5
And does it follow that those who believe abortion is murder are not "human?"
I totally disagree with that statement but will defend his right to give it...even at a Catholic College commencement.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 24, 2023 11:41:38 GMT -5
Welch is also okay with mutilating and castrating children in the name of gender affirming surgery.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 24, 2023 11:54:19 GMT -5
Only when it’s convenient to call themselves a Catholic college - lower case ‘c’ in most cases - i.e. it depends on what you’re talking about HC is a Catholic college that exists in a secular pluralistic country, and allows and encourages the expression of ideas that don't conform to Catholic doctrine. My commencement speaker (Art Buchwald) was a Jew.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 24, 2023 12:04:12 GMT -5
Welch is also okay with mutilating and castrating children in the name of gender affirming surgery. Wrong. What he's against is the denial of basic rights to medical care and counseling to children, adolescents, and adults who identify as trans. Have you ever known a trans person, talked to them? Trans people get treated badly in many corners of society.
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Post by alum on Mar 24, 2023 12:29:00 GMT -5
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Post by mm67 on Mar 24, 2023 12:55:47 GMT -5
It is these type of arguments pro & con which give credence to the belief that Catholic colleges are in reality religious institutions rather than truly academic institutions. A religious litmus test of belief applied to every speaker runs contrary to the spirit of inquiry required of a college. Don't agree with his stance, so what! The practice of shutting down a speaker for heresy is medieval. Burn him at the stake! I would not be shocked if the Senator did not speak to the graduates and this would be much to the detriment of the college. If my comment is politically offensive I will immediately delete.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 24, 2023 13:26:26 GMT -5
The Jesuits have a long and proud (and well earned) position on open debate of ideas. They have had speakers which whom I disagree and defended their word (and freedom of speech/academic freedom) against many attackers in the past. I hope they, and Holy Cross, continue to do so.
BTW: The terms "religious" and "academic" applied to colleges are not mutually exclusive or necessarily contradictory. A college can be both.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 24, 2023 14:35:43 GMT -5
Those of you who do not have children of school age would be shocked by the numbers of kids all discovering they’re “transgender” at the same time. It’s possible that adults pushing the celebration of transgenderism in every corner of life is having an impact on kids and those kids are choosing transgenderism because they get a lot of affirmation and attention from adults that other kids just struggling with normal kid stuff don’t. I am certain most people trying to protect those identifying as transgender are good and well-meaning. Those good intentions, however, are causing significant permanent damage to many young people and the long-term effects will not be good, no matter how many uber-liberal doctors tell you the opposite. Many kids in my town now believe they’re cats or horses and want to be treated as such in school. The cats in my daughter’s school have pet stuffed frogs who “identify” as pet stuffed horses. I kid you not. We are royally screwing these kids up in the name of protecting them and allowing them to “be who they are.”
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Post by hcpride on Mar 24, 2023 15:14:33 GMT -5
holy cross is still a catholic college, right? asking for a friend. My favorite human rights slogan is “Animal Rights are Human Rights” (I think it is part of a movement against ‘speciesism’.) Wrap your head around that one. I think Welch’s slogan is part of the pro-abortion movement.
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Post by alum on Mar 24, 2023 15:21:29 GMT -5
92--I think that the standard of care is treatment of each child individually and carefully and I have no problem with ensuring that it is a gender identification issue as opposed to something else. The problem I have is with SOV and those in state legislatures all over the country, on cable television, and in churches which purport to follow the teachings of Christ who pretend that doctors are willy nilly performing surgery on kids who are just having a bad day because it is just not so.
A kid I coached ten years ago in boys high school rec basketball is now a woman. I have no idea whether she has had surgery. I do know that she is a college graduate who works as an engineer (like her father) and, by all reports, is quite happy. I had no idea when she played for me that this was forthcoming, but its a great family which knows how to address stressors (one child is developmentally disabled) and who apparently have done what a family is supposed to do--supported this young adult. I am proud to know them.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 24, 2023 15:32:06 GMT -5
Hormone therapy and gender reassignment surgery for minors is wrong. This shouldn’t be something that even needs to be debated.
Providing help, support, counseling, therapy, etc. for children who may be questioning things should, of course, happen.
Alum, to the best of my knowledge we have never met or spoke. For someone who’s only read posts on a message board, you sure talk as if you know me pretty well. Pretty amusing.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 24, 2023 16:05:27 GMT -5
92--I think that the standard of care is treatment of each child individually and carefully and I have no problem with ensuring that it is a gender identification issue as opposed to something else. The problem I have is with SOV and those in state legislatures all over the country, on cable television, and in churches which purport to follow the teachings of Christ who pretend that doctors are willy nilly performing surgery on kids who are just having a bad day because it is just not so. Would your perspective change if it turns out thousands of US kids each year are getting hormone blockers and/or hormones and/or surgery? The fact that pols of either stripe highlight the issue should not make it any more appalling (or wonderful, depending on your perspective).
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Post by Tom on Mar 24, 2023 16:38:45 GMT -5
Hormone therapy and gender reassignment surgery for minors is wrong. This shouldn’t be something that even needs to be debated. Providing help, support, counseling, therapy, etc. for children who may be questioning things should, of course, happen. Every doctor I know says the exact same thing. On a silly note, some comedian commented that at 10 years old he thought he was destined to be a pirate. As an adult, he is thankful his parents didn't remove his eye and leg below the knee and fit him with an eye patch and peg leg
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Post by Tom on Mar 24, 2023 16:46:07 GMT -5
Those of you who do not have children of school age would be shocked by the numbers of kids all discovering they’re “transgender” at the same time. It’s possible that adults pushing the celebration of transgenderism in every corner of life is having an impact on kids and those kids are choosing transgenderism because they get a lot of affirmation and attention from adults that other kids just struggling with normal kid stuff don’t. I am certain most people trying to protect those identifying as transgender are good and well-meaning. Those good intentions, however, are causing significant permanent damage to many young people and the long-term effects will not be good, no matter how many uber-liberal doctors tell you the opposite. Many kids in my town now believe they’re cats or horses and want to be treated as such in school. The cats in my daughter’s school have pet stuffed frogs who “identify” as pet stuffed horses. I kid you not. We are royally screwing these kids up in the name of protecting them and allowing them to “be who they are.” You're missing the obvious and simple solution. School is for people. Not cats or horses. Kids can pretend but should know the difference between pretend and reality. If they really believe they're a cat or horse send them home. My guess is they will quickly learn the difference between healthy pretending and reality. Since horses don't use bathrooms and just go where ever they are, I would hate to be assigned the task of cleaning up after them
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Post by HC92 on Mar 24, 2023 17:03:06 GMT -5
Those of you who do not have children of school age would be shocked by the numbers of kids all discovering they’re “transgender” at the same time. It’s possible that adults pushing the celebration of transgenderism in every corner of life is having an impact on kids and those kids are choosing transgenderism because they get a lot of affirmation and attention from adults that other kids just struggling with normal kid stuff don’t. I am certain most people trying to protect those identifying as transgender are good and well-meaning. Those good intentions, however, are causing significant permanent damage to many young people and the long-term effects will not be good, no matter how many uber-liberal doctors tell you the opposite. Many kids in my town now believe they’re cats or horses and want to be treated as such in school. The cats in my daughter’s school have pet stuffed frogs who “identify” as pet stuffed horses. I kid you not. We are royally screwing these kids up in the name of protecting them and allowing them to “be who they are.” You're missing the obvious and simple solution. School is for people. Not cats or horses. Kids can pretend but should know the difference between pretend and reality. If they really believe they're a cat or horse send them home. My guess is they will quickly learn the difference between healthy pretending and reality. Since horses don't use bathrooms and just go where ever they are, I would hate to be assigned the task of cleaning up after them You will not fit in among faculty or administrators in public schools in CT. If the children say they are cats or horses or martians, you must treat them as such and with respect. People who say otherwise (like you) are hateful bigots who are driving up youth suicide rates. This is where we are.
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Post by HCFC45 on Mar 24, 2023 17:54:35 GMT -5
You're missing the obvious and simple solution. School is for people. Not cats or horses. Kids can pretend but should know the difference between pretend and reality. If they really believe they're a cat or horse send them home. My guess is they will quickly learn the difference between healthy pretending and reality. Since horses don't use bathrooms and just go where ever they are, I would hate to be assigned the task of cleaning up after them You will not fit in among faculty or administrators in public schools in CT. If the children say they are cats or horses or martians, you must treat them as such and with respect. People who say otherwise (like you) are hateful bigots who are driving up youth suicide rates. This is where we are. And I will add to that by saying that I have heard there are schools in Central Mass that have put in "litter boxes" for those who identify as cats.... Yes, this is sadly where we are!!!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 24, 2023 17:59:06 GMT -5
Our society is doomed. I have been saying this for some years and every day we see more evidence in support of my assertion
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Post by Tom on Mar 24, 2023 18:09:53 GMT -5
You're missing the obvious and simple solution. School is for people. Not cats or horses. Kids can pretend but should know the difference between pretend and reality. If they really believe they're a cat or horse send them home. My guess is they will quickly learn the difference between healthy pretending and reality. Since horses don't use bathrooms and just go where ever they are, I would hate to be assigned the task of cleaning up after them You will not fit in among faculty or administrators in public schools in CT. If the children say they are cats or horses or martians, you must treat them as such and with respect. People who say otherwise (like you) are hateful bigots who are driving up youth suicide rates. This is where we are. I am treating them as such and with respect. A horse is not allowed inside a school building. Anyone who lets them inside is the one not treating them as such
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