hc69
Crusader Century Club
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Post by hc69 on Apr 21, 2023 10:57:34 GMT -5
Army had more rushing yards, more passing yards, and 150 yards more of total offense than we had. But they had five turnovers, we had none. What also killed them was that Ari Confesor had over 200 yards on four kickoff returns, including a 95 yard TD. The game was a lot of fun for us, not so much for the Army fans. The Golden Knights parachuted the game ball in and of course the guy with.the ball stuck the landing exactly at midfield.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 21, 2023 11:01:36 GMT -5
I'm getting the sense that the 2002 Army team was not really good...... Well, they were really bad in 2000, bad in 2001 (but saved the season by beating Navy), really bad in 2002, and really bad in 2003. Four year record of 5-42 is terrible by any standard. The alums didn’t like playing (and losing to) the C-USA competition…and the losses to Navy were even worse.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 21, 2023 12:44:02 GMT -5
That was the year Dan Allen got ill midway through the season and the bottom fell out for the rest of that year and 2003.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 21, 2023 13:12:27 GMT -5
I'm getting the sense that the 2002 Army team was not really good...... Well, they were really bad in 2000, bad in 2001 (but saved the season by beating Navy), really bad in 2002, and really bad in 2003. Four year record of 5-42 is terrible by any standard. The alums didn’t like playing (and losing to) the C-USA competition…and the losses to Navy were even worse. 2002 Army and Navy were both terrible and entered at 1-10 IIRC, and Navy won 58-12. 2003 was the year Navy started to turn it around, starting a stretch of 5 or 6 straight bowl appearances while Army continued to founder. CUSA during the time AWP was in that league from 1997-2006 was basically today's AAC on steroids.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 21, 2023 14:24:31 GMT -5
Army was beaten quite a bit over 2002 and 2003. One total win in two years. And double annihilations at the hands of their rival. I went to army - navy in 2002 and it was brutal. That being said l’d like to play them early while they’re working the kinks out of a new system…by the time we play I’m thinking they’ll have some sort of rhythm. On the other hand and as others have noted, they don’t necessarily recruit the arms at QB needed to win in a more conventional system. We may very well need a W to grab a seed (not to get ahead of myself) as our FCS schedule may be comparatively weak (again). Another factor...Army may very well be on the cusp of bowl eligibility the weekend we play them. Safe to say, a Monken-coached team won't be taking any prisoners if they enter our Veterans' Day showdown with either 4 or 5 wins. With regards to the 2002 Army team, they were woefully bad. I have followed Army football since 1995, attending multiple games per year at WP minus the time I was at HC. To put in perspective how awful the 2002 Army team was under Todd Berry, consider this: that Army team lost to 1-11 Rutgers 44-0. That horrendous Rutgers team lost to 1-11 Buffalo. That Buffalo team lost to Lehigh. Also, Army in 2002 was the only FBS team ever to lose to a Patriot League team that did not make the FCS Playoffs, as HC finished 4-8 that year. To further put how bad that team was in perspective, the 2003 Army team was MUCH IMPROVED over the 2002 squad but still managed to become the first (and maybe only) college football team EVER to finish a season 0-13. November 11, 1961 was the last of four games between William and Mary and Army between 1932-61, all at West Point. Perhaps some of your relatives attended. HC is lucky to still be in the mix for Army as it is one of a handful (but growing) list of ideal FBS opponents. The Tribe played Navy 42 times between 1923 and 1991 but then the series abruptly stopped.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 23, 2023 8:46:05 GMT -5
Another factor...Army may very well be on the cusp of bowl eligibility the weekend we play them. Safe to say, a Monken-coached team won't be taking any prisoners if they enter our Veterans' Day showdown with either 4 or 5 wins. With regards to the 2002 Army team, they were woefully bad. I have followed Army football since 1995, attending multiple games per year at WP minus the time I was at HC. To put in perspective how awful the 2002 Army team was under Todd Berry, consider this: that Army team lost to 1-11 Rutgers 44-0. That horrendous Rutgers team lost to 1-11 Buffalo. That Buffalo team lost to Lehigh. Also, Army in 2002 was the only FBS team ever to lose to a Patriot League team that did not make the FCS Playoffs, as HC finished 4-8 that year. To further put how bad that team was in perspective, the 2003 Army team was MUCH IMPROVED over the 2002 squad but still managed to become the first (and maybe only) college football team EVER to finish a season 0-13. November 11, 1961 was the last of four games between William and Mary and Army between 1932-61, all at West Point. Perhaps some of your relatives attended. HC is lucky to still be in the mix for Army as it is one of a handful (but growing) list of ideal FBS opponents. The Tribe played Navy 42 times between 1923 and 1991 but then the series abruptly stopped. My parents were W&M Class of '77 and '78 respectively so we didn't yet have a family connection the last time the Tribe (Indians then) traveled to West Point in 1961. However, my dad was 12 years old when William & Mary scored a major upset in Annapolis in 1967, attending with his parents. My grandfather was USNA '51 and played football while my grandma got her first job out of high school working as the admin for Navy head coach Eddie Erdelatz in 1946. That Homecoming game in 1967 saw Navy enter with wins over Penn State, Michigan and Syracuse and early talks of a New Years Bowl berth were swirling in Annapolis. Navy was shutting out the Tribe 16-0 heading into the fourth quarter that day before W&M managed to put together a TD drive early in the 4th to make the score 16-7 (no 2pt then). My dad describes how his family was politely clapping for William & Mary because they were happy that the little local school not far from where they lived in Virginia managed to score. I guess back then, they figured a 9 point lead was safe. Sure enough, about mid-way through the 4th, the Tribe scored again to make it 16-14 and all of a sudden you could hear a pin drop in Navy-Marine Corps Stadium. Moments later, Navy returner fumbled the ensuing kickoff deep in his own territory and W&M recovered. At that moment, my grandfather stood up, threw his cigar down and stormed out of the stadium, walking 5 miles home to his brother-in-law's house in Annapolis where they were staying. The Tribe would go on to win 27-16 with all their points scored in the final quarter. With regards to the all-time series, Navy leads William & Mary 35-6-1 I believe, with the Tribe winning the 2 most recent meetings in 1987 and 1991. Both those William & Mary teams finished 5-6. The 1987 game took place the day that my mom took a pregnancy test at Washington National Airport and found out I was on the way. Every game in the series was played in Annapolis with the exception of one meeting at the Oyster Bowl in Norfolk in the late 70's or early 80's. To my understanding, a part of the reason that another game hasn't taken place since '91 is that William & Mary has played the majority of its FBS payday games the past 20 years against local ACC foes UVA, Virginia Tech, UNC and NC State. These all pay out more than a game at Navy would and, unlike HC of late, I can't remember the last time the Tribe scheduled 2 FBS games in the same year. A little bit on my late grandparents who I mentioned prior: from the mid-sixties until they each individually passed, they did not miss a single home game in Annapolis. There was also a stretch from the early 1980's through the late 1990's where they attended EVERY GAME, home and away. Multiple Hawaii trips and one to Ireland included. They were still working during a lot of this time, making this level of dedication even more impressive. My grandfather passed away in February 2008, so his last Navy-ND game was the one where Navy broke the 45-year losing streak against the Irish. My grandma died Memorial Day 2022 so the Holy Cross game that I got to watch and tailgate with her ended up being her second to last home opener.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 23, 2023 9:07:40 GMT -5
That must be a special memory. May it bring you comfort as she rests in peace.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 23, 2023 9:17:16 GMT -5
NY Crusader- you are a great storyteller-I really enjoyed reading your post
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 23, 2023 9:33:58 GMT -5
A 1946 HS graduate would be about 91 at that HC-Navy game. Very impressive. You come from good stock. The 2019 HC squad played 13 games with two FBS games. That's a good model to balance the level of competition in the PL.
I hope the rest of PL FB takes a "monkey see, monkey do" approach to upgrade their FB programs after Coach Chesney has shown how to do it. But for now the OOC schedule is the area where HC can strengthen competition and this year's slate is a good one.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 23, 2023 11:45:04 GMT -5
Army was beaten quite a bit over 2002 and 2003. One total win in two years. And double annihilations at the hands of their rival. I went to army - navy in 2002 and it was brutal. That being said l’d like to play them early while they’re working the kinks out of a new system…by the time we play I’m thinking they’ll have some sort of rhythm. On the other hand and as others have noted, they don’t necessarily recruit the arms at QB needed to win in a more conventional system. We may very well need a W to grab a seed (not to get ahead of myself) as our FCS schedule may be comparatively weak (again). Another factor...Army may very well be on the cusp of bowl eligibility the weekend we play them. Safe to say, a Monken-coached team won't be taking any prisoners if they enter our Veterans' Day showdown with either 4 or 5 wins.
With regards to the 2002 Army team, they were woefully bad. I have followed Army football since 1995, attending multiple games per year at WP minus the time I was at HC. To put in perspective how awful the 2002 Army team was under Todd Berry, consider this: that Army team lost to 1-11 Rutgers 44-0. That horrendous Rutgers team lost to 1-11 Buffalo. That Buffalo team lost to Lehigh. Also, Army in 2002 was the only FBS team ever to lose to a Patriot League team that did not make the FCS Playoffs, as HC finished 4-8 that year. To further put how bad that team was in perspective, the 2003 Army team was MUCH IMPROVED over the 2002 squad but still managed to become the first (and maybe only) college football team EVER to finish a season 0-13. Not to be picky but we are the 2nd FCS team they are playing next year so I don't think a win over us helps bowl eligibility. (Also think they are going all out in any case but that's neither here nor there). This came up last year when they played Nova and then Colgate....I think the Colgate win was irrelevant to bowl eligibility (they finished at .500 ... but under .500 for purposes of bowl eligibility...and thus no bowl). Or I am misremembering which is entirely possible.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 23, 2023 19:18:04 GMT -5
Another factor...Army may very well be on the cusp of bowl eligibility the weekend we play them. Safe to say, a Monken-coached team won't be taking any prisoners if they enter our Veterans' Day showdown with either 4 or 5 wins.
With regards to the 2002 Army team, they were woefully bad. I have followed Army football since 1995, attending multiple games per year at WP minus the time I was at HC. To put in perspective how awful the 2002 Army team was under Todd Berry, consider this: that Army team lost to 1-11 Rutgers 44-0. That horrendous Rutgers team lost to 1-11 Buffalo. That Buffalo team lost to Lehigh. Also, Army in 2002 was the only FBS team ever to lose to a Patriot League team that did not make the FCS Playoffs, as HC finished 4-8 that year. To further put how bad that team was in perspective, the 2003 Army team was MUCH IMPROVED over the 2002 squad but still managed to become the first (and maybe only) college football team EVER to finish a season 0-13. Not to be picky but we are the 2nd FCS team they are playing next year so I don't think a win over us helps bowl eligibility. (Also think they are going all out in any case but that's neither here nor there). This came up last year when they played Nova and then Colgate....I think the Colgate win was irrelevant to bowl eligibility (they finished at .500 ... but under .500 for purposes of bowl eligibility...and thus no bowl). Or I am misremembering which is entirely possible. You're 100% correct.
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