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Post by rgs318 on Dec 18, 2016 17:52:30 GMT -5
IMO, this is a must win for HC so the team does not start PL play with a losing streak. The Patriots are currently 5-7 (losing at BC today, 67-75). A week ago they beat Lafayette by 24 (85-71). I guess the Lafayette frosh did not intimidate them.
Massey has HC as a 6 point favorite on Wednesday (69-63) with a 69% chance for the win. The game starts at 7:00 pm in Fairfield, CT.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 18, 2016 18:49:20 GMT -5
Sacred Hart suxx...Lost to bc today 82-75
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 18, 2016 18:55:06 GMT -5
Their place has always been a house of horrors for us, going back to when they moved up to D-1. I hope our guys certainly take the game seriously, or it will be a long, crappy ride home.
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Post by hcnation on Dec 18, 2016 19:00:08 GMT -5
They beat Fordham this year
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 18, 2016 19:11:53 GMT -5
No team that we play can we afford to "look past." We have a crappy record and we should be well over .500 at this point. We lost way too many winnable games. This team needs to re-learn how to play with the consistency that they did at tournament time last season. There really isn't any excuse as virtually everyone is back and we are playing with the same coach and the same system. With the exception of the occasional dings, injuries don't appear to have been a major problem.
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Post by bikeman on Dec 18, 2016 19:43:11 GMT -5
The PL tournament has made people forget this team lost 20+ games last year.
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Post by lou on Dec 18, 2016 19:48:22 GMT -5
The PL tournament has made people forget this team lost 20+ games luast year. Correct, something wrong with that? |
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 18, 2016 19:56:55 GMT -5
The PL tournament has made people forget this team lost 20+ games last year. The coach has never forgotten that and neither have many fans. It took away some of the pain, but not the memory of what happened in regular season at all PL away games. |
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 18, 2016 20:15:34 GMT -5
Not only has the coach not forgotten the 20 losses, he has publicly brought it up to perhaps lower the expectations of Crusader fans. CWC definitely comes from the Disney Philosophy of "under promising and over delivering." Admittedly, the team is under-delivering so far this season.
As we left the Ryan Center, NAD said his hope was that the tough OOC schedule would help prepare us for the PL to which I gave a hearty "Amen" to.
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Post by ts1970 on Dec 19, 2016 10:09:36 GMT -5
IMO, this is a must win for HC so the team does not start PL play with a losing streak. The Red Foxes are currently 5-7 (losing at BC today, 67-75). A week ago they beat Lafayette by 24 (85-71). I guess the Lafayette frosh did not intimidate them. Massey has HC as a 6 point favorite on Wednesday (69-63) with a 69% chance for the win. The game starts at 7:00 pm in Fairfield, CT. Marist is the Red Foxes. Sacred Heart is the Pioneers. |
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on Dec 19, 2016 10:41:10 GMT -5
The PL tournament has made people forget this team lost 20+ games last year. Take away the Cuse, South Carolina, Monmouth, and URI losses (all games we weren't favored to win) and this team has lost three games. Why do people freak out about three non-conference losses which have zero effect on us? |
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 19, 2016 10:47:00 GMT -5
While I agree we should not Phreek out, they hardly have no meaning. While winning the PL regular or tournament championships get us into the post season, NCAA or NIT, winning some of the close games we lost to higher ranked teams would mean not having to play another First Four and probably a little higher seed.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 19, 2016 10:51:16 GMT -5
The PL tournament has made people forget this team lost 20+ games last year. Take away the Cuse, South Carolina, Monmouth, and URI losses (all games we weren't favored to win) and this team has lost three games. Why do people freak out about three non-conference losses which have zero effect on us? LOL! "Take away the results against all of the good teams, and our record ain't so bad against the rest of the teams! We're 4-3 in 7 games against teams with an average rank of 215!" |
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on Dec 19, 2016 12:08:53 GMT -5
Take away the Cuse, South Carolina, Monmouth, and URI losses (all games we weren't favored to win) and this team has lost three games. Why do people freak out about three non-conference losses which have zero effect on us? LOL! "Take away the results against all of the good teams, and our record ain't so bad against the rest of the teams! We're 4-3 in 7 games against teams with an average rank of 215!" And it still does not have any impact on whether or not we make the NCAA tournament. Would I like to see more improvement? Of course, but I'm not losing any sleep over it. |
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Post by WCHC Sports on Dec 19, 2016 13:07:55 GMT -5
LOL! "Take away the results against all of the good teams, and our record ain't so bad against the rest of the teams! We're 4-3 in 7 games against teams with an average rank of 215!" And it still does not have any impact on whether or not we make the NCAA tournament. Would I like to see more improvement? Of course, but I'm not losing any sleep over it. The point is not to make the tournament and lose to Oregon by 75 as we get alley-ooped and dunked out of the building on national television, or even pre-empting the game... While I do want to make the tournament EVERY year no matter what (even if the above scenario occurs...) I would like to see us beat some folks outside of our league, and get a better seed. It affords us the ability to compete in an NCAA game-- and is it too much to ask, maybe even friggin' WIN ONE?! All this talk about improvement and changing leagues and getting better recruits and facilities and coaches and all that noise means nothing if we continue to perform in an average fashion against PL peers, and get beat in close games every time by non-PL yet still-middle-of-the-road D1 programs. |
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 19, 2016 13:20:38 GMT -5
i'd say we're an underdog in this game. shu gym is a glorified h.s. facility with no atmosphere. they are more athletic than us and have been playing pretty well of late.
hate to say it but 'this would be a very good win'
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on Dec 19, 2016 13:23:38 GMT -5
And it still does not have any impact on whether or not we make the NCAA tournament. Would I like to see more improvement? Of course, but I'm not losing any sleep over it. The point is not to make the tournament and lose to Oregon by 75 as we get alley-ooped and dunked out of the building on national television, or even pre-empting the game... While I do want to make the tournament EVERY year no matter what (even if the above scenario occurs...) I would like to see us beat some folks outside of our league, and get a better seed. It affords us the ability to compete in an NCAA game-- and is it too much to ask, maybe even friggin' WIN ONE?! All this talk about improvement and changing leagues and getting better recruits and facilities and coaches and all that noise means nothing if we continue to perform in an average fashion against PL peers, and get beat in close games every time by non-PL yet still-middle-of-the-road D1 programs. Right, agreed. My point in all of this is we have to be realistic on the trajectory for this team. Carmody is a very good coach, and this program is headed in the right direction. At the same time, it takes an elite coach to bring a team from 10 wins to 25 wins. It's unrealistic to expect that and then be disappointed when the team doesn't meet these expectations in the non-conference portion of the schedule. The expectation for this team should be to win 18-20 games this year, continue to improve year over year (10 to 18 wins is a big jump). If we are able to sustain that type of momentum, an NCAA win will be in the cards. It doesn't just happen over the course of two years barring special players. |
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Post by ncaam on Dec 19, 2016 13:42:56 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 19, 2016 13:55:20 GMT -5
IMO, this is a must win for HC so the team does not start PL play with a losing streak. The Red Foxes are currently 5-7 (losing at BC today, 67-75). A week ago they beat Lafayette by 24 (85-71). I guess the Lafayette frosh did not intimidate them. Massey has HC as a 6 point favorite on Wednesday (69-63) with a 69% chance for the win. The game starts at 7:00 pm in Fairfield, CT. Marist is the Red Foxes. Sacred Heart is the Pioneers. Thanks for putting me on the right path!  |
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Post by possum on Dec 19, 2016 14:52:50 GMT -5
While I agree with erico that Carmody is an excellent coach I find it hard to believe we will see improvement next year at least in terms of record. With the current roster there are two underclassmen making significant contributions, Charles & Benzan, and one more Floyd who is contributing to a lesser extent. They will be joined by the Ziggy and this years freshmen class that has shown little and the 5 new recruits. I don't see how that roster will be an upgrade on the current team. Next year looks to me like a major rebuilding year with the hope that al least a couple of the incoming freshman class are immediate contributors. A good comparison is this years American team that is struggling but have two impact freshmen that gives a lot of hope for the future.
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on Dec 19, 2016 15:10:44 GMT -5
While I agree with erico that Carmody is an excellent coach I find it hard to believe we will see improvement next year at least in terms of record. With the current roster there are two underclassmen making significant contributions, Charles & Benzan, and one more Floyd who is contributing to a lesser extent. They will be joined by the Ziggy and this years freshmen class that has shown little and the 5 new recruits. I don't see how that roster will be an upgrade on the current team. Next year looks to me like a major rebuilding year with the hope that al least a couple of the incoming freshman class are immediate contributors. A good comparison is this years American team that is struggling but have two impact freshmen that gives a lot of hope for the future. As of right now it does look like a rebuild, but look at last year as a good example. We saw Carm start giving minutes in conference play to his freshman (Floyd & Benzan) who were riding the bench during the non-conference schedule. He let them absorb the system and put them in a position to develop on the court. Benzan has been much better this year because of that and I am optimistic that Floyd will continue to develop during the rest of this year. I would not be surpised to see LeSann get an uptick in playing time and follow a similar route as Benzan. BC is recruiting better players then his predecessor, developing them, and putting them in positions to succeed. Be patient - I don't think the rebuild will be as big as some people may think. |
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Post by hchoops on Dec 19, 2016 15:31:02 GMT -5
Pomeroy has HC at 186, SH 310 !
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 19, 2016 15:41:22 GMT -5
The PL tournament has made people forget this team lost 20+ games last year. Take away the Cuse, South Carolina, Monmouth, and URI losses (all games we weren't favored to win) and this team has lost three games. Why do people freak out about three non-conference losses which have zero effect on us? How will we move the program forward if we don't use games like this (against top 100/150 teams) as the benchmark? The sign of a good coach and team, IMO, is finding ways to win games where they aren't favored. This is such a losing attitude -- accepting defeat because we "weren't favored." We have to take steps forward, eventually, to put ourselves in a position where we are actually favored more than underdogs. This starts with beating those teams ahead of us. Finding a way to beat UMass and Monmouth would have been steps in that direction. In games in which we have been favored (SC State, Maine, and Quinnipiac) we are 2-1. The two "upsets" we have had this year are against Harvard and Albany. We are favored in our final two non-conference games. Going 6-7 against a challenging non-conference schedule (currently ranked 66th by Pomeroy) would be nice. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 19, 2016 15:44:27 GMT -5
Next year looks to me like a major rebuilding year We have four seniors on this year's roster, and have received sub-par play from two of them. Replacing Alexander will be difficult, but I'm not all that worried about the others. Can we get any worse at PG? Did you think that Benzan would be contributing this much as a sophomore? Who knows what next year holds for the rising sophomores. |
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Post by ncaam on Dec 19, 2016 16:03:27 GMT -5
Unlikely cLS and JS will give us anything next year.
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