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Post by hcbaseballalum on Jun 24, 2023 7:00:09 GMT -5
Shrewsbury native (and son of Worcester State AD) Tyler Mudd has entered the transfer portal and will be leaving Holy Cross to pursue a real baseball program. He announced this on his Twitter last night.
This is another indication that something is massively wrong in this program. Continued lack of action drives student athletes elsewhere and the program and school are worse off for it. When we can’t retain a kid from Shrewsbury who didn’t even really play last year for us due to injury, something is significantly off.
Don’t worry.. I’m sure people on this board will commend Kahovec for coaching a “young team” next year when the real problem is his program is such a disaster, he can’t get anyone to stay in it.
HC should drop baseball. That’s the best path instead of running this train wreck any longer.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 24, 2023 8:09:23 GMT -5
Winning a few PL games, a few OOC games, and being on the edge of making the PL playoffs (making the PL playoffs even more so) may constitute a satisfactory season for some.
On a positive note for Tyler, if he's looking to move to a stronger college baseball program there are many many options.👍
(As you note, the 'benefits' of having a younger team or seeing a frosh in the starting lineup are wildly overstated by a few crossporters. We saw that in hoops five or six years ago when a few folks thought frosh starters meant the frosh were really good.)
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Post by purplehaze on Jun 24, 2023 8:21:29 GMT -5
I’m not sure what your plans are for improving the program short of having schollie $ and increasing the number of full time coaches and salaries - without institutional commitment I think this is a very difficult job for anyone
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 24, 2023 8:46:31 GMT -5
Admittedly, I haven't followed Crusader baseball closely in the last 5-10 years but thought I read a thread that our head coach was going to BC as an assistant. Second, who knows where this student-athlete will end up, especially if you say he "didn’t even really play last year for us due to injury" much less a better program? Not defending the coach, the program or player, I just don't know enough but not sure him looking to transfer is enough to indict the coach. So, #1 is the coach leaving or not? If so, can I assume from your perspective that's a good thing? #2 how good is the player considering he was injured and didn't play much (at all?)? Are you basing it on high school results? #3 my impression is you played baseball at HC. Do you REALLY want to kill the program a la Providence College (which was a lot better than HC when they put the stake in the heart)? That'd be a huge waste of a great field . . . . unless they want to convert the space for a garage!
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Post by hcbaseballalum on Jun 24, 2023 8:52:08 GMT -5
Admittedly, I haven't followed Crusader baseball closely in the last 5-10 years but thought I read a thread that our head coach was going to BC as an assistant. Second, who knows where this student-athlete will end up, especially if you say he "didn’t even really play last year for us due to injury" much less a better program? Not defending the coach, the program or player, I just don't know enough but not sure him looking to transfer is enough to indict the coach. So, #1 is the coach leaving or not? If so, can I assume from your perspective that's a good thing? #2 how good is the player considering he was injured and didn't play much (at all?)? Are you basing it on high school results? #3 my impression is you played baseball at HC. Do you REALLY want to kill the program a la Providence College (which was a lot better than HC when they put the stake in the heart)? That'd be a huge waste of a great field . . . . unless they want to convert the space for a garage! 1) Coach is not leaving. BC doesn’t want him. 2) He is performing well at the Cape right now. 3) Yes. Blow it off the face of the earth.
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Post by hcbball on Jun 24, 2023 9:14:20 GMT -5
Two years in a row they had a pitcher commit to the Cape, then sit out the season due to “injury” then enter the portal. It didn’t turn out well for Bryant, but the Cape also terminated his contract.
Tyler’s dad I believe is an AD at a D3 school so he probably has some connections. Tough to be in the portal when th the thousands of other players.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 24, 2023 9:22:51 GMT -5
I think it is rather late to be entering the portal, particularly if one is in search of even a part scollie. I think it was Charlie Baker who recently said that half the athletes who enter the portal never find a new home.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 24, 2023 10:45:17 GMT -5
I think it is rather late to be entering the portal, particularly if one is in search of even a part scollie. I think it was Charlie Baker who recently said that half the athletes who enter the portal never find a new home. LSU coach was talking about transfers from the podium on Thursday night after qualifying for the CWS Championship Series after beating Wake Forest. They signed an Alabama transfer yesterday too www.si.com/college/lsu/baseball/lsu-baseball-secures-sec-pitcher-from-transfer-portalSo, it isn't too late.
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Post by hcbaseballalum on Jun 26, 2023 6:34:19 GMT -5
Mudd will definitely have options. LHP who is at the Cape with all the other poaching assistants looking to bring to their school. The model is a mess, but can't blame Mudd for wanting to go to a better baseball program after seemingly having a poor experience at Holy Cross. This is just another indication of how far this baseball program has fallen. When you can't retain a kid from Shrewsbury, it's a tough look.
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Post by alum on Jun 26, 2023 7:19:27 GMT -5
I assume the kid has identified at least one place that wants him. I went to a NECBL game and there were several D1 coaches there, both scouting talent and connecting with their existing players. I would assume at the Cape there would be five times as many coaches at every game and it would be easier for the coaches to see multiple players multiple times over a short span.
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Post by purplehaze on Jun 26, 2023 8:37:24 GMT -5
With only 11.7 total scholarships spread across a roster it is likely that transfers don’t get much $ in the first year they’re at a different school - incoming frosh already recruited long ago would be receiving the aid that outgoing seniors recvd - in other words, baseball is ‘very’ different than bball and FB.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 26, 2023 9:02:28 GMT -5
I think it is rather late to be entering the portal, particularly if one is in search of even a part scollie. I think it was Charlie Baker who recently said that half the athletes who enter the portal never find a new home. LSU coach was talking about transfers from the podium on Thursday night after qualifying for the CWS Championship Series after beating Wake Forest. They signed an Alabama transfer yesterday too www.si.com/college/lsu/baseball/lsu-baseball-secures-sec-pitcher-from-transfer-portalSo, it isn't too late. The best team money can buy (as in NLI money), just like their women's hoop team. Unfortunately for the Tigers, the pitcher they signed couldn't pitch last night.
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Post by hcross22 on Jun 26, 2023 9:43:07 GMT -5
I’m not sure what your plans are for improving the program short of having schollie $ and increasing the number of full time coaches and salaries - without institutional commitment I think this is a very difficult job for anyone Holy Cross has the maximum amount of full-time coaches allowed by the NCAA.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 26, 2023 10:05:34 GMT -5
The best team money can buy (as in NLI money), just like their women's hoop team. Unfortunately for the Tigers, the pitcher they signed couldn't pitch last night.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 26, 2023 14:37:02 GMT -5
Mudd will definitely have options. LHP who is at the Cape with all the other poaching assistants looking to bring to their school. The model is a mess, but can't blame Mudd for wanting to go to a better baseball program after seemingly having a poor experience at Holy Cross. This is just another indication of how far this baseball program has fallen. When you can't retain a kid from Shrewsbury, it's a tough look. You had a typo and misspelled "coaching" 🙂. In my experience HC can be not overly generous to middle class applicants, so the financial burden to attend HC might be substantial. If he could improve his baseball program and lessen the burden on his family by transferring it makes some sense. UMass comes to mind, but many schools could fit the bill. I don't know anything about the family finances other than the father's job and their town, so I don't want to label them. The portal was designed to give players more control of their college career, so it's working in this situation.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 26, 2023 15:22:30 GMT -5
Imagine what the numbers are in men’s hoops and power 5 football ?
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 26, 2023 17:18:12 GMT -5
Mudd will definitely have options. LHP who is at the Cape with all the other poaching assistants looking to bring to their school. The model is a mess, but can't blame Mudd for wanting to go to a better baseball program after seemingly having a poor experience at Holy Cross. This is just another indication of how far this baseball program has fallen. When you can't retain a kid from Shrewsbury, it's a tough look. You had a typo and misspelled "coaching" 🙂. In my experience HC can be not overly generous to middle class applicants, so the financial burden to attend HC might be substantial. If he could improve his baseball program and lessen the burden on his family by transferring it makes some sense. UMass comes to mind, but many schools could fit the bill. I don't know anything about the family finances other than the father's job and their town, so I don't want to label them. The portal was designed to give players more control of their college career, so it's working in this situation. UMass Baseball might have less money than HC.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 26, 2023 19:58:06 GMT -5
You had a typo and misspelled "coaching" 🙂. In my experience HC can be not overly generous to middle class applicants, so the financial burden to attend HC might be substantial. If he could improve his baseball program and lessen the burden on his family by transferring it makes some sense. UMass comes to mind, but many schools could fit the bill. I don't know anything about the family finances other than the father's job and their town, so I don't want to label them. The portal was designed to give players more control of their college career, so it's working in this situation. UMass Baseball might have less money than HC. But tuition is much less for in-state students. That's what I was thinking.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 26, 2023 20:16:46 GMT -5
UMass Baseball might have less money than HC. But tuition is much less for in-state students. That's what I was thinking. Lowell is a better school to look at. UMass Amherst historically has one of the latest starts in D-1. They had their first game this season on March 4th. Last year, they started also on March 4th. They have been doing it for years. The Minutemen only have one full-time assistant coach and a part-timer. They also only spend 6,516 per participant and 228k for the entire team. UMass Lowell has two full-time assistants and a part-timer. They also spend 9,099 per participant and 345k for the entire team.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 26, 2023 20:50:29 GMT -5
FBS football takes a big bite out of the UMass Amherst athletic budget. Why do they stubbornly insist on losing gobs of money in FB year after year?
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 26, 2023 20:53:40 GMT -5
FBS football takes a big bite out of the UMass Amherst athletic budget. Why do they stubbornly insist on losing gobs of money in FB year after year? These numbers go back to when they were FCS....
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Post by GripandRip_HC_14 on Jun 28, 2023 16:48:00 GMT -5
Mudd landed at BC. A bit surprising to see the jump to ACC, especially after an injury. Will be interested to see how he pans out.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 28, 2023 16:53:41 GMT -5
Mudd landed at BC. A bit surprising to see the jump to ACC, especially after an injury. Will be interested to see how he pans out. Second straight year a HC player ends up at BC
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 28, 2023 17:08:42 GMT -5
Was this kid ACC good? Kind of surprised.
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Post by GripandRip_HC_14 on Jun 28, 2023 17:50:47 GMT -5
If he is half the team is ready for ACC. It is really surprising, let’s see how much the BC coaching staff does with him.
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