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Post by ncaam on Dec 21, 2016 17:41:27 GMT -5
Father K was the first among us to notice that our historic bell had been stolen from campus. It was an 1853 Henry N. Hooper bronze bell that was emplaced at Fenwick in 1854. Hooper had bought out Paul Revere, yes, the very one and taken over his foundry. His bells are ensconced in churches all over New England. Here is the bell as it posed for a picture at an unknown date.
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Information from Mark Savolis, Head of Archives and Special Collections. Here's what he said about the bell which was posted on Crossports.The bell was apparently stolen. I don't have any more info. than that. I did hear a story that some guys drove up, detached it from the cradle, put it in a truck and drove away. But that isn't official. With the price of bronze at $5-$8 per pound...the 400 lb bell was worth over $2,000. just in scrap.
It was cast in 1853 by Henry Hooper, who was a successor to Paul Revere. Mounted in Fenwick in 1854, it was moved to one of the towers in 1867. It was used to announce the beginning and end of the day and was rung at 5:30AM, noon, 6 PM and 9PM. It also tolled to announce the death of member of the Jesuit community.
Because students climbed the tower to ring it, it was moved from the tower. (When: sometime before 1975) And the clapper was removed so students wouldn't ring it.
There was much talk on Crossports at the time about it with Mr Savolis' view that the bell had been sold for scrap controlling. One or two believed the bell was worth way more intact than for scrap. Note what I found on the internet today after some mention of it on the Fr K thread.4 SALE is a 36 H Hooper 1853 .The bell was cast in the same foundry that the famous Paul Revere's family cast bells .Henry Hooper as a boy most likely ate ,drank ale and exchanged political jokes with Paul Revere while working on one of Paul Revere's famous 398 or so Bells. After Paul Revere's death Henry Hooper and Paul's grandson. took over the foundry. .
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Post by HC92 on Dec 22, 2016 10:33:02 GMT -5
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Post by CHC8485 on Dec 22, 2016 10:55:34 GMT -5
Worth investigating but I am almost certain the Fenwick bell was not a 36" bell, since I occasionally had to retrieve a young son or a daughter who was attempting to ring it, back in the early 2000's.
Seem to recall a post on the old board when it first went missing indicating it was in the range of 18 '- 20".
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Post by ncaam on Dec 22, 2016 11:54:27 GMT -5
Working on it....Bell came off Fenwick in 1974
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Post by ncaam on Dec 22, 2016 11:56:59 GMT -5
Mark Savolis is engaged. I have asked for pictures of sale bell. 1853 is key. Not many produced each year.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 22, 2016 14:43:25 GMT -5
Good luck with the continued detective work, ncaam.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 22, 2016 15:11:07 GMT -5
Don't think the Henry Hooper bell on eBay is 'our' bell. The thieves would have needed a forklift
A 36 inch bronze bell dating from 1893 (McNeely Bell in Troy NY) now in Louisiana weighs 780 pounds.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 22, 2016 16:39:37 GMT -5
Please start no fires at other offices at HC.
Talking to mr lower is a simple task. Two 1853 Henry Hooper bells worth following up.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 22, 2016 17:19:14 GMT -5
By the way I am not saying mr Lower has our bell. However,the coincidence of him having an 1853 Hooper and us having lost an 1853 Hooper is a mighty big coincidence. They didn't just run these off the assembly line. I think there's a 50-50 chance that it is our bell. I think it's worth following up on. I'm giving Holy Cross the first chance to follow up. If they fail to follow up, I will follow up. I'm hoping they do the right thing witch is through the appropriate office to contact mr. Lower,find out what he has, where what when why and how he got it. We owe it to Father k to do so. He was not allowed to have that bell rung during his funeral procession. For that alone we need to follow up.
Pp, step away from the internet.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 25, 2016 10:40:10 GMT -5
I have eliminated the Ebay/Lower bell as our bell. Quite a coincidence they are both 1853 Hoopers. I am enlisting his aid among the bell community in my search. I have also reached out to Mr Mahoney (below). He will send me pictures of his stolen bell which I will forward to Mr Lower. Mr Lower purchased his 1853 Hooper in Bar Harbor, Maine, 4-6 years ago. He says he's firm at $10,000. That would be a nice one to replace our bell at some future date. www.woonsocketcall.com/bell-theft-takes-toll-on-owner/article_8acf287e-ff04-5fb4-b665-ea53c0d8558f.html
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Post by crusader12 on Dec 25, 2016 11:14:48 GMT -5
I have eliminated the Ebay/Lower bell as our bell. Quite a coincidence they are both 1853 Hoopers. I am enlisting his aid among the bell community in my search. I have also reached out to Mr Mahoney (below). He will send me pictures of his stolen bell which I will forward to Mr Lower. Mr Lower purchased his 1853 Hooper in Bar Harbor, Maine, 4-6 years ago. He says he's firm at $10,000. That would be a nice one to replace our bell at some future date. www.woonsocketcall.com/bell-theft-takes-toll-on-owner/article_8acf287e-ff04-5fb4-b665-ea53c0d8558f.htmlHopefully it turns up one day and has not been sold for scrap. Great work!
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Post by ncaam on Dec 25, 2016 18:22:12 GMT -5
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Post by lou on Dec 25, 2016 21:52:05 GMT -5
Interesting, Thanks for posting
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 27, 2016 7:53:58 GMT -5
The bell pictured in the Crossroads article is not the same bell as this 1853 bell by Hooper (Lowerbells' bell). The 'waist' of the HC bell is shorter.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 27, 2016 8:07:55 GMT -5
Above bell bought by Todd Lower from an antique dealer in Bar Harbor, Maine. It's an 1853 we can have for 10k.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 27, 2016 9:50:24 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Dec 27, 2016 9:50:49 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Dec 27, 2016 9:55:09 GMT -5
Hope emerges in search for Worcester's missing gargoyles
Friday Posted Oct 17, 2014 at 6:00 AM Updated Oct 17, 2014 at 3:47 PM By Nick Kotsopoulos TELEGRAM & GAZETTE STAFF WORCESTER -- The search for the missing gargoyles from a historic church in the city has produced a new lead and a ray of hope that they may be returned.
Deborah Packard, executive director of Preservation Worcester, told the Historical Commission Thursday night that all eight gargoyles were sold by the Monson Savings Bank.
The bank came into possession of the gargoyles after foreclosing on a Southbridge company where they were being stored for the church.
Preservation Worcester initially did not hear back from bank officials when previous inquiries were made about the 3,000-pound stone ornaments' whereabouts, but Ms. Packard said she is now in regular contact with the bank president.
"The bank at first did not respond to any of our calls, but now we are in contact with the president of the bank several times a day," she told the commission. "He is working with us, and that is all I am at liberty to say at this time."
In an interview after the meeting, Ms. Packard said she has more hope now than before about the possible return of the gargoyles.
In a related matter, the city last week sent letters to the Monson Savings Bank and a Springfield-based auctioneer that had advertised the eight gargoyles for an auction it conducted on Feb. 14, 2012.
"If the gargoyles are in your possession, we request that you make arrangements for the secure return of the gargoyles to the church building at 5 Chestnut St.," wrote Stephen S. Rolle, director of the city Division of Planning and Regulatory Services.
"If the gargoyles are not in your possession, we are seeking any and all information regarding your disposition of the gargoyles and their current location."
He said his office subsequently spoke to Aaron Posnik & Co. Inc., the Springfield auctioneer, and it was confirmed that the gargoyles were not sold at the auction.
"I feel like we are making progress," Mr. Rolle told the Historical Commission. "The parties have been cooperating and hopefully a little more time will get us there."
The Monson Savings Bank came into possession of the gargoyles after it foreclosed on the former Monaco Restorations Inc. of Southbridge.
Monaco was hired by the Liberty Assembly Church of God in 2006 to remove the eight gargoyles from the two towers of its 119-year-old church because of structural issues with them.
One of the conditions set by the city for allowing that work to be done was that the gargoyles were supposed to be stored in the basement of the church, formerly known as the Chestnut Street Congregational Church, until funds were available to restore them.
But Mr. Rolle said the gargoyles were never stored in the church basement and instead were taken to Monaco's warehouse in Southbridge for storage. The city was never informed that they were being taken out of the city.
Monaco then filed for bankruptcy in July 2009; it was finalized this past January.
According to court documents, Monaco owed $810,113 to creditors but was only able to pay $23,227 on those claims.
The Monson Savings Bank, which had $769,589 in claims against Monaco, seized the company's assets and scheduled a liquidation auction for all its property, equipment and belongings.
The auction was conducted in February 2012 at the Monaco site by Aaron Posnik & Co. Inc.
Among the items advertised to be auctioned were the eight gargoyles, in two lots of four each.
Ms. Packard said the gargoyles were withdrawn from the auction, though she was not sure of the reason.
Preservation Worcester contacted city officials on Sept. 19 about the missing gargoyles and advised the city that the pieces had been removed from the church basement at some point and their location could not be determined.
Ms. Packard said Liberty Church's current executive pastor, the Rev. George Cladis, was not there when the gargoyles were taken down in 2006 and was unaware of the history behind their removal.
"The current pastor did not have any knowledge of the gargoyles because there was not a paper trail at the church so things could be reconstructed," she said.
In addition to the gargoyles, Ms. Packard said, the stones that supported them on the towers are also missing.
Contact Nick Kotsopoulos at nicholas.kotsopoulos@telegram.com. Follow him on Twitter @nckotsopoulos
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 27, 2016 10:37:53 GMT -5
Your search is impressive, ncaam. I hope it has a successful conclusion.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 27, 2016 11:12:23 GMT -5
Hear! Hear! And all you guys who criticize 70. That FBI training appears to be bearing fruit. Atta boy, ncaam! Fr. K would be proud of you!
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Post by ncaam on Dec 27, 2016 12:46:34 GMT -5
I emailed the writer and the Preservation folks. Would like to see hc take the initiative on the Monson Bank .
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 27, 2016 13:48:32 GMT -5
I emailed the writer and the Preservation folks. Would like to see hc take the initiative on the Monson Bank . What are you talking about? If you are suggesting that Monaco somehow came into possession of the HC bell, Monaco was a masonry company, which is why they had the gargoyles. There is no reason for them to have a bell. The founder of Monaco died three years ago, at age 54; he was divorced. His daughter, who lives in Long Beach CA became President of the company, but I suspect her role was to liquidate the business.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 27, 2016 14:12:44 GMT -5
We should buy a great bell even if it is not the one that was stolen: my opinion
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Post by ncaam on Dec 27, 2016 14:14:36 GMT -5
Simple calls to the Preservation Worcester, the T&G writer and the Monson Bank to see if any stolen property besides the gargoyles were stored there. Not saying anything else was there, but worth 3 telephone calls.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 27, 2016 14:20:05 GMT -5
We should buy a great bell even if it is not the one that was stolen: my opinion I want to continue to try looking for OUR bell a while longer. I'm willing to contribute a Grover Cleveland for the 1853 todd lower has subject to negotiation
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