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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 27, 2016 11:14:31 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 27, 2016 11:15:33 GMT -5
Caro, Ray nailed it. The PL is not in a strong negotiating position. As for the internet streaming, the PL already does that with the exception of the games that are on TV. Do you really think that the streaming brings in more viewers than TV? The answer is to be more successful on the court. Offer your services to the PL to negotiate the next contract if you think you can do better. If you succeed, you can talk to Mexico on behalf of Trump to have them pay for that wall. Both cases have about the same chance of success. 1970 -- How many people do you think are watching American play at Holy Cross on CBSSN on Monday night Jan 23rd in front of a 3/4 empty gym with next to no atmosphere? Especially with the increase in cord-cutting, where more and more people are either getting bare-bones cable packages or eliminating cable all together in favor of streaming programming over devices like Apple TV, not being able to stream games (and especially the more important ones, as SOV notes with the "flex scheduling") so they can be broadcast on a channel that many don't get, and those who do have it, don't watch, is a tremendous disadvantage.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 27, 2016 11:27:23 GMT -5
Caro, Ray nailed it. The PL is not in a strong negotiating position. As for the internet streaming, the PL already does that with the exception of the games that are on TV. Do you really think that the streaming brings in more viewers than TV? The answer is to be more successful on the court. Offer your services to the PL to negotiate the next contract if you think you can do better. If you succeed, you can talk to Mexico on behalf of Trump to have them pay for that wall. Both cases have about the same chance of success. 1970 -- How many people do you think are watching American play at Holy Cross on CBSSN on Monday night Jan 23rd in front of a 3/4 empty gym with next to no atmosphere? Especially with the increase in cord-cutting, where more and more people are either getting bare-bones cable packages or eliminating cable all together in favor of streaming programming over devices like Apple TV, not being able to stream games (and especially the more important ones, as SOV notes with the "flex scheduling") so they can be broadcast on a channel that many don't get, and those who do have it, don't watch, is a tremendous disadvantage. It would help the discussion if you would post the ratings for the patriot league games and also for the MAAC games on Friday nights – which typically is a poor night for sports viewing. fwiw, ESPNU is available in approximately 70 million households. CBSSN is available in about 60 million households.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 27, 2016 11:27:30 GMT -5
As someone who cut the cord, when HC plays on CBSSN, I assume I won't be able to stream the game on patriotleague.tv. Because CBSSN doesn't have a streaming option, this means I am forced to head to my local bar and pester the bartender to flip on CBSSN so I can watch Holy Cross vs. American.
ESPN3 would absolutely be the better route to go down. As people are scanning to watch Duke or Virginia on ESPN, HC will be right in the mix in the programming lineup. Those ESPN productions aren't much more than what we currently see on patriotleague.tv -- it's a three camera broadcast with minimal graphics and play-by-play / color commentators who no one has heard of.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 27, 2016 11:28:16 GMT -5
1970 -- How many people do you think are watching American play at Holy Cross on CBSSN on Monday night Jan 23rd in front of a 3/4 empty gym with next to no atmosphere? Especially with the increase in cord-cutting, where more and more people are either getting bare-bones cable packages or eliminating cable all together in favor of streaming programming over devices like Apple TV, not being able to stream games (and especially the more important ones, as SOV notes with the "flex scheduling") so they can be broadcast on a channel that many don't get, and those who do have it, don't watch, is a tremendous disadvantage. It would help the discussion if you would post the ratings for the patriot league games and also for the MAAC games on Friday nights – which typically is a poor night for sports viewing. Those games don't have enough of an audience to even be rated.
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Post by sader81 on Dec 27, 2016 11:51:38 GMT -5
ESPN3 would absolutely be the better route to go down. FWIW, In order to stream ESPN3 via Frontier Communications, you need to be signed up for their highest level of service, which would cost me an additional $40 per month. That was a change from last year. ESPN is hurting financially; viewership is down, they have laid off scores of employees, and I presume are charging more for their content.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 27, 2016 12:34:23 GMT -5
HC at BU on the 29th is not incompetence; it's insanity. Let's think of the student athletes for once. One off games for TV can be arranged around a schedule that puts our schools at closer schools mid week during classes and far away schools when not in session.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 27, 2016 13:31:58 GMT -5
HC at BU on the 29th is not incompetence; it's insanity. Let's think of the student athletes for once. One off games for TV can be arranged around a schedule that puts our schools at closer schools mid week during classes and far away schools when not in session. There are only two schools that are close-in: BostU and Army. The problematic scheduling involves four games. Wed Jan 25 @ Loyola Sat Jan 28 @ Navy (If past is prologue at HC, they will probably bus back from Loyola, and fly to BWI Friday night for Navy. That way, classes will be missed on Tuesday / Wednesday). Mon Feb 6 @ Bucknell Wed Feb 8 @ Lafayette (This trip means the team will miss three days of classes.) HC is on break during the PL semi-finals / final, and its questionable how many students would be around for the quarterfinals on March 2.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 27, 2016 13:36:45 GMT -5
PP, is hc at BU on the 29th insanity?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 27, 2016 14:19:33 GMT -5
PP, is hc at BU on the 29th insanity? You think it is. I do not agree. There are nine away games, only three might be flown to. Of the other six, BostonU in a day-of-game bus ride, though I suppose Army might be depending on day of the week and the game time. That leaves four games which are a two-day trip if these games are done individually, and not paired. Navy, for example, has a bad pairing from a travel standpoint. BostonU on a Thursday, Colgate two days later on Saturday.
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Post by sarasota on Dec 27, 2016 14:25:33 GMT -5
there are lines for all MAAC games HC should be in the MAAC for all sports other than football and hockey.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 27, 2016 15:16:19 GMT -5
PP, is hc at BU on the 29th insanity? You think it is. I do not agree. There are nine away games, only three might be flown to. Of the other six, BostonU in a day-of-game bus ride, though I suppose Army might be depending on day of the week and the game time. That leaves four games which are a two-day trip if these games are done individually, and not paired. Navy, for example, has a bad pairing from a travel standpoint. BostonU on a Thursday, Colgate two days later on Saturday. Army is a 2-day trip. Aside from wasting a down-and-back bus trip on BU during break, this also spoils the chance of trying to build some type of rivalry between the two schools by playing both games with students on campus. The PL lacks any type of creativity and strategy with scheduling (and marketing).
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Post by Ray on Dec 27, 2016 15:33:17 GMT -5
there are lines for all MAAC games HC should be in the MAAC for all sports other than football and hockey. Let's not rehash this again. But please, keep stating your opinions as facts.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 27, 2016 15:46:08 GMT -5
PP, is hc at BU on the 29th insanity? That pairing is necessitated by the first game and last game of the season being against the same opponent. And the last game of the year needs to be against an opponent who us geographically close since the turnaround from the final game to the first tournament game us short. The driving factor is that when the league expanded from 8 to 10'teams and had to eliminate the "bye" from the schedule, it meant that the first opponent of the second half could not be the same as the first opponent of the first half. Had to juggle something to keep the Saturday opponents the same in both halves, since they are the longer bus rides.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 27, 2016 15:55:54 GMT -5
Are we playing bos u in game 1 next year?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 27, 2016 16:02:08 GMT -5
Are we playing bos u in game 1 next year? Home vs. Colgate to begin PL play next season (12/29).
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Post by ncaam on Dec 27, 2016 16:14:12 GMT -5
Are we playing bos u in game 1 next year? Home vs. Colgate to begin PL play next season (12/29). Yikes, I guess it wasn't so necessary after all to play bu game number one. I'm not just talking about Holy Cross schedule. I'm talking about everybody 'S schedule. We need some smart people up there in Centertown, PA.Scheduling is awful. Time to move on.
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Post by HC1843 on Dec 27, 2016 17:26:40 GMT -5
Home vs. Colgate to begin PL play next season (12/29). Yikes, I guess it wasn't so necessary after all to play bu game number one. I'm not just talking about Holy Cross schedule. I'm talking about everybody 'S schedule. We need some smart people up there in Centertown, PA.Scheduling is awful. Time to move on. Move on to where, a Catholic League perhaps or the MAAC? One of our more infirm posters suggested these options ad nauseum. What are your unique, and, I am sure, separate thoughts on where HC should go? Cheers.
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Post by bigfan on Dec 27, 2016 17:53:16 GMT -5
A Catholic league would be fine, the question is, who would join besides Holy Cross, maybe Fairfield. I don't think any of the A-10 and Big East schools would leave their conferences and join a new league.
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Post by purple71 on Dec 27, 2016 19:03:22 GMT -5
May I pose the following questions?:
If a game is on CBSSN is there a preclusion for either the home school or the Pl from streaming the game?
Does each PL team have streaming capacity?
Last time I looked, the PL streaming was free is that still the case?
Is it still true that the best streaming comes from Army and Bucknell?
Are the HC games on the local Worcester cable network and what is its geographic footprint?
Do any of the PL teams charge for access to their streaming?
May I make the following observations?:
The Siena home games are shown on Time Warner cable and the production is excellent. In addition to being shown live the games are repeated a couple of times that week. I believe that they are carried on all Time Warner cable systems in New York State although I could be wrong on that.
I have paid a per game fee to watch the streaming of Siena away games.
Having the home games on TV has pluses and minuses. Although as a long time season ticketholder I have excellent seats, they are often vacant on cold nights as I prefer to watch in front of the fireplace.
I agree that the MAAC as an NYCcentric league has a greater draw for ESPN than does a Penncentric league. That is also why there is frequently a line on the MAAC games and rarely one on PL games.
However, at the end of the day, we have a far better chance of going dancing in the PL than we would in the MAAC. Frankly, the MAAC can recruit athletes who simply could not get by PL Admission Officers. I run a monthly lunch at the Irish Hall and in October my speaker was the UAlbany coach and was struck by the words of the UAlbany coach that he didn't recruit the type of kids that he would have to worry about his whereabouts after midnight.
I must acknowledge that there are least 15 years of HC grads who know nothing other than the PL and that most of the dissatisfaction with the level of play of the PL and the lack of notoriety is attracks are guys who graduated before 1990, which was 26 years ago.
Finally, and this applies to HC, Siena and UAlbany, there is simply a great deal of apathy among the student body as to college athletics, period. Last time I was at the Cross there were more 22+ folks than students. That pattern repeats itself at Siena and UAlbany. Which leads me to my final observation: even if the Cross played at its pre-1990 level the students probably wouldn't come. The greater Worcester community might, but not a significantly larger group of students.
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Post by lou on Dec 27, 2016 19:21:14 GMT -5
Patriot League streaming is free of charge. MAAC streaming is pay per view, a league requirement
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 27, 2016 20:21:39 GMT -5
Great questions, 71. As a RI resident and HC basketball season ticket holder, I don't know how far the games go when the local TV covers the game. Believe it is a cable channel and as such, probably doesn't "travel" far. I am at all the home games regardless of weather (toughened by 9 years in Syracuse ) and only miss games when a family commitment comes into play and try to get to many away games if in New England (won't even try to get to the games in PA or Colgate) so most of the away games are viewed on the internet.When I was a Cox customer, URI games were regularly on there but switched to Verizon and my understanding was Cox may not cover all URI games. As I recall, the announcers were perhaps not top draw but better than Campus Insiders. I happen to get CBS Sports Network so that works for me when the games are on there. I also agree with your observation that many about my age are unhappy about the PL. I would love for us to get into the new Big East but I am a realist and think that ship has sailed like the old Big East. What I am looking for is to win the PL many years and contend for the championship every year. Yep, be the big fish in the small pond and have post season play almost every year, whether NCAA or NIT. With improved facilities and a first rate coach, I don't think that is an unrealistic expectation though it make take another couple of years.
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Post by sarasota on Dec 27, 2016 20:40:03 GMT -5
HC could be the class of the MAAC, and I don't mean necessarily that we would dominate every sport. Instead, we're content to be an also-ran in football and the bottom of the barrel in the other sports in the PL with the possible exception of basketball--maybe. Those of us who lived the glory days of HC sports need to pack away our sports egos and stop chasing chimeras. We need to return to our roots in the greater tri-state area (including many other Catholic schools) and abandon the ridiculous Lehigh-Valley League. One poster counters that some of the MAAC schools are not that stable financially. So what. They would be replaced by other schools, if it ever came to that. HC has tons of tri-state alums that could drive to many of the MAAC schools. You can take commuter trains or subway to Manhattan, Iona, Fairfield, Monmouth, Quinnipiac, Rider, St. Peters. Hoops- What do you think?
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Post by sarasota on Dec 27, 2016 20:53:16 GMT -5
Ray- My comment was my opinion--obviously. "The sky is blue" = fact statement. "The sky should be red" = opinion statement. Get it?
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Post by unhfan on Dec 27, 2016 21:21:10 GMT -5
A move to the MAAC would be a huge drop in academics from the PL! I would think most alumni would be furious to go from a step below the Ivies to the MAAC!
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