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Post by hchoops on Dec 27, 2016 21:33:24 GMT -5
HC could be the class of the MAAC, and I don't mean necessarily that we would dominate every sport. Instead, we're content to be an also-ran in football and the bottom of the barrel in the other sports in the PL with the possible exception of basketball--maybe. Those of us who lived the glory days of HC sports need to pack away our sports egos and stop chasing chimeras. We need to return to our roots in the greater tri-state area (including many other Catholic schools) and abandon the ridiculous Lehigh-Valley League. One poster counters that some of the MAAC schools are not that stable financially. So what. They would be replaced by other schools, if it ever came to that. HC has tons of tri-state alums that could drive to many of the MAAC schools. You can take commuter trains or subway to Manhattan, Iona, Fairfield, Monmouth, Quinnipiac, Rider, St. Peters. Hoops- What do you think? [br Absolutely not
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Post by timholycross on Dec 27, 2016 22:18:08 GMT -5
When Fordham and LaSalle left the MAAC (along w/HC and Army), it became dead to me. Still is.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 27, 2016 22:28:43 GMT -5
If a game is on CBSSN is there a preclusion for either the home school or the Pl from streaming the game? YesDoes each PL team have streaming capacity? YesLast time I looked, the PL streaming was free is that still the case? YesIs it still true that the best streaming comes from Army and Bucknell? Not necessarilyDo any of the PL teams charge for access to their streaming? No I hope that is helpful.
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Post by sarasota on Dec 28, 2016 0:18:07 GMT -5
hoops- Why not?
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Post by bigfan on Dec 28, 2016 8:09:18 GMT -5
Why would HC drop their academics if they joined the MAAC? Maybe the other schools would upgrade their academics. Also, the people that complain that athletes are missing class is a joke, how many students miss class because they are too lazy to get up in the morning. Also, athletes who play sports at any Div 1 or 2 school will miss some class time due to the athletic schedules and none of them complain. How many of HC athletes have complained in the past year?
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Post by ncaam on Dec 28, 2016 8:40:54 GMT -5
Why would HC drop their academics if they joined the MAAC? Maybe the other schools would upgrade their academics. Also, the people that complain that athletes are missing class is a joke, how many students miss class because they are too lazy to get up in the morning. Also, athletes who play sports at any Div 1 or 2 school will miss some class time due to the athletic schedules and none of them complain. How many of HC athletes have complained in the past year? Do you think it's dumb to schedule bu as the first game when there are no classes? Would you agree with me that the bu Games should be midweek home and away?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 28, 2016 8:47:25 GMT -5
PL is no longer the Penn League, as many teams in MD/DC,2 in Mass. Like it or not, some roots have developed. Some of the past Bucknell games drew more than the 3591 for UMass. To borrow from nhteamer, how about winning where we are first.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 28, 2016 9:04:32 GMT -5
Why would HC drop their academics if they joined the MAAC? Maybe the other schools would upgrade their academics. Also, the people that complain that athletes are missing class is a joke, how many students miss class because they are too lazy to get up in the morning. Also, athletes who play sports at any Div 1 or 2 school will miss some class time due to the athletic schedules and none of them complain. How many of HC athletes have complained in the past year? Because the MAAC schools have lower admission standards than do PL schools, and HC in the MAAC would drop its standards to be competitive in athletics. Other MAAC schools are not going to increase their academics because HC joins. For the most part, these schools can't afford to do that. Many HC alums are distressed that BC's admission standards are higher than HC's, and Villanova's admission standards are now nearly on a par with HC. Both these schools were once considered to be safety schools for HC applicants. So the HC Board of Trustees will NEVER allow a move to the MAAC because HC would suffer reputationally; and when one is shelling out $250,000 for a four year liberal arts degree, the reputational value of the institution awarding the degree matters much. _____________ In what might be an irony of ironies, if HC joined the MAAC, I think there would be a good chance that Fairfield would join the PL.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 28, 2016 9:22:56 GMT -5
In what might be an irony of ironies, if HC joined the MAAC, I think there would be a good chance that Fairfield would join the PL. What do you think is keeping Fairfield from doing that now...and Fordham for that matter?
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Post by ncaam on Dec 28, 2016 9:28:20 GMT -5
We also need an end of year tourney site so we don't have the abomination of travel like hc had last year
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 28, 2016 9:34:41 GMT -5
I would have guessed if Fairfield retained their football program, they would have been in the PL by now, before Loyola. Would have been great having another New England school and Jesuit to boot. But as we discussed before, the Stags won't bring back football, which is too bad because they had an improving program and killed it on its ascendancy. My son had roommates on the football team when they pulled the plug but they retained their schollies until graduation.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 28, 2016 9:35:41 GMT -5
We also need an end of year tourney site so we don't have the abomination of travel like hc had last year Haven't we discussed this many times before, and wasn't the consensus that any central site ends up being bad for every team, suppressing attendance?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 28, 2016 9:41:59 GMT -5
In what might be an irony of ironies, if HC joined the MAAC, I think there would be a good chance that Fairfield would join the PL. What do you think is keeping Fairfield from doing that now...and Fordham for that matter? As I recall the chatter about the league expanding, there was talk of Fairfield being invited. However, as I understand it, Boston U. was chosen to give HC a geographic partner. As to why Loyola rather than Fairfield, IMO, Loyola brought a lacrosse reputation, which counts for a lot from a PL perspective. (Recall that BostonU dropped wrestling to start a M's lacrosse team on joining the PL.) The League optimally works with even number of schools, so I think Fairfield would still wait in line because Fordham seems to have no interest.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 28, 2016 10:04:16 GMT -5
We also need an end of year tourney site so we don't have the abomination of travel like HC had last year.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 28, 2016 10:08:11 GMT -5
We also need an end of year tourney site so we don't have the abomination of travel like hc had last year Ugh. No, thank you. Neutral site games make everyone travel for every game instead of half the teams playing and their fans. And, crappy atmosphere due to reduced attendance. I like that the regular season means something. The teams that don't win as much in the regular season should have to travel.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 28, 2016 10:16:53 GMT -5
We also need an end of year tourney site so we don't have the abomination of travel like hc had last year Ugh. No, thank you. Neutral site games make everyone travel for every game instead of half the teams playing and their fans. And, crappy atmosphere due to reduced attendance. I like that the regular season means something. The teams that don't win as much in the regular season should have to travel. You don't know the academic strain that travel put on our students. First three rounds at navy, horse palace, Indian Reservation or Hershey, pa. Cost defray ed by ncaa tourney check.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 28, 2016 10:17:52 GMT -5
The PL had a neutral site for the quarters and semis; 2004 PLT was the last season for it. This was a disaster. But, ncaam may not remember this as he was in the midst of a 30 year break from HC athletics.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 28, 2016 10:19:46 GMT -5
I attended that tourney. Did you? What you don't know is the academic disaster last year was for our student athletes. Lose round 1 go home, little class time lost. I think Hershey pa would be a good site.
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Post by sarasota on Dec 28, 2016 10:37:11 GMT -5
PP- So you are implying that HC is not now competitive with MAAC schools. Correct?
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Post by HC92 on Dec 28, 2016 11:01:26 GMT -5
Ugh. No, thank you. Neutral site games make everyone travel for every game instead of half the teams playing and their fans. And, crappy atmosphere due to reduced attendance. I like that the regular season means something. The teams that don't win as much in the regular season should have to travel. You don't know the academic strain that travel put on our students. First three rounds at navy, horse palace, Indian Reservation or Hershey, pa. Cost defray ed by ncaa tourney check. I understand the academic strain. I also understand that it's the first and perhaps last time that a team has played 4 road games in the PL tourney. I wouldn't over-react to a situation that happened once and create a permanent situation that would be a disaster. And I have spoken to several of our student-athletes since that epic run and they seem to have somehow survived the experience.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 28, 2016 11:02:56 GMT -5
In what might be an irony of ironies, if HC joined the MAAC, I think there would be a good chance that Fairfield would join the PL. What do you think is keeping Fairfield from doing that now...and Fordham for that matter? Fairfield would have joined in a heartbeat, but didn't get an invitation.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 28, 2016 11:04:39 GMT -5
I attended that tourney. Did you? What you don't know is the academic disaster last year was for our student athletes. Lose round 1 go home, little class time lost. I think Hershey pa would be a good site. Very unlikely it created any academic issues. With the advant of laptops and the Internet, it is not hard to keep up.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 28, 2016 11:15:49 GMT -5
I attended that tourney. Did you? What you don't know is the academic disaster last year was for our student athletes. Lose round 1 go home, little class time lost. I think Hershey pa would be a good site. Very unlikely it created any academic issues. With the advant of laptops and the Internet, it is not hard to keep up. Always positive, seldom right.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 28, 2016 11:32:42 GMT -5
Is Bucknell considering remote, on-line classes?
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Post by HC92 on Dec 28, 2016 11:42:55 GMT -5
I attended that tourney. Did you? What you don't know is the academic disaster last year was for our student athletes. Lose round 1 go home, little class time lost. I think Hershey pa would be a good site. Very unlikely it created any academic issues. With the advant of laptops and the Internet, it is not hard to keep up. As noted above, I don't think it's a huge deal but to say it was "not hard to keep up" for last year's HC basketball players is not correct. They took a bus from Worcester to Maryland to Worcester to Lewisburg to Worcester to West Point to Worcester to Bethelehem to Worcester over the course of 9 days. That is definitely hard on the academics no matter how much easier it is today than it used to be before laptops and the internet. They were then gone for another week when they went to Dayton and Spokane. Definitely hard but still not enough of a reason to go to a neutral site tourney.
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