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Post by timholycross on Oct 12, 2023 8:24:42 GMT -5
Dante or no Dante, this group cannot block for a run or for a pass. Don't see how there's any possible offensive success w/o at least one of those issues being resolved.
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Post by Ray on Oct 12, 2023 10:52:53 GMT -5
Re: Tanking in Sept. See you in December. I'm having trouble following your logic here. What is your evidence of "tanking"? The team has not been competitive in the last few games. If you're suggesting they're losing on purpose/throwing an entire season away to get a draft pick and a new QB.... that's an accusation of something that's basically without precedent in the history of professional sports. The NBA and NFL have had incidents of losing late in the season for draft pick improvement, but... in September? How good do you think this Pats team is based on talent? Do you think Mac Jones is intentionally throwing pick-6's? I don't understand what evidence you're seeing to suggest this is "a good team losing on purpose" as opposed to "a bad team losing because that's what bad teams do". And your position seems to be predicated on "well, Belichick's a cheater when he wins, so if he's losing he must be cheating to do that as well"... which honestly is tinfoil hat nonsense. Occam's Razor says this is a bad football team, period.
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Post by mm67 on Oct 12, 2023 13:24:06 GMT -5
Re: Tanking in Sept. See you in December. I'm having trouble following your logic here. What is your evidence of "tanking"? The team has not been competitive in the last few games. If you're suggesting they're losing on purpose/throwing an entire season away to get a draft pick and a new QB.... that's an accusation of something that's basically without precedent in the history of professional sports. The NBA and NFL have had incidents of losing late in the season for draft pick improvement, but... in September? How good do you think this Pats team is based on talent? Do you think Mac Jones is intentionally throwing pick-6's? I don't understand what evidence you're seeing to suggest this is "a good team losing on purpose" as opposed to "a bad team losing because that's what bad teams do". And your position seems to be predicated on "well, Belichick's a cheater when he wins, so if he's losing he must be cheating to do that as well"... which honestly is tinfoil hat nonsense. Occam's Razor says this is a bad football team, period. Apologies. Did not mean to get you or anyone all riled up. Pats have little resonance with me but given the drop off & various controversies some have speculated. TBT Belichick//Kraft are not universally admired. Both are old & won't be on the scene many more years. Weren't there accusations of tanking w/ the Mavericks in '23 & others in years past in the NBA?Questions of tanking in pro sports are quite common. Truthfully, if the Pats play themselves in whatever fashion(not necessarily tanking) to draft Caleb Williams, so be it. It matters little. One truth is clear: Belichick w/o Brady has a mediocre record as a head coach in Boston & Cleveland. I read in WaPo or The Times or Yahoo, Kraft is pissed & Belichick is on the hot seat despite fans support of the coach.. Don't know the veracity of the report or if it's a plant. If Kraft fires Belichick, it would be hard to make a case for tanking. Folks in the arena know there will be incoming fire & are prepared to handle it. Again I'm sorry if I stepped on your toes. Peace.
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Post by Ray on Oct 12, 2023 13:53:55 GMT -5
Weren't there accusations of tanking w/ the Mavericks in '23 & others in years past in the NBA?Questions of tanking in pro sports are quite common. Yes, the Mavs were accused of tanking and disciplined (fined, if I recall correctly), for tanking IN THE VERY LAST GAME of an 82-game season. As I said, there is a history in sports of that sort of thing... but what you're suggesting, in the first quarter of an NFL season, is not even in the same neighborhood as that.
Whether Belichick is washed up, or what % of the franchise's success should go to Brady or Belichick, isn't really of interest to me.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 12, 2023 21:56:51 GMT -5
Pats aren't tanking. Fan base just can't wrap their minds around the fact that they're just not any good in a world where you don't get to play the Jets every week.
Also they're actually in a division where 2 of the other 3 teams are actually good. How often did that happen over the past 25 years?
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 12, 2023 23:36:23 GMT -5
Kraft and Belichick have two major football figures that contributed in a huge way to the national recognition that Robert and Bill have received over the past quarter century.
First, Bill Parcells. The Big Tuna rescued Belichick after his failure as Head Coach in Cleveland and gave him an opportunity to shine as a Defensive Coordinator. Tuna also made the Patriots relevant and got Kraft to his first super bowl pre-Brady.
Second is Brady. He made both Kraft and Belichick synonymous with success and the Patriots the model franchise. The steady decline post-Brady makes it obvious Tom was the key to success more than the other two.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 15, 2023 8:40:18 GMT -5
Would anyone care to bet after last night the #1 guy will be Caleb Williams? More than a little shaky.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Oct 15, 2023 9:36:10 GMT -5
USC had five tos; ND zero. Sound familiar? USC outgained the Irish, had +10 first downs and TOP.
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Post by mm67 on Oct 15, 2023 10:35:04 GMT -5
ND shredded USC's porous D. They were clearly the better team. ND is truly a top flight team. Is there any way ND w/2 losses can make the playoffs? Unfortunately, doubtful. Loss to OSU, OUCH!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 15, 2023 12:32:35 GMT -5
ND shredded USC's porous D. They were clearly the better team. ND is truly a top flight team. Is there any way ND w/2 losses can make the playoffs? Unfortunately, doubtful. Loss to OSU, OUCH! Notre Dame stands at #16 in Sagarin's rankings.
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Post by mm67 on Oct 15, 2023 13:49:55 GMT -5
ND shredded USC's porous D. They were clearly the better team. ND is truly a top flight team. Is there any way ND w/2 losses can make the playoffs? Unfortunately, doubtful. Loss to OSU, OUCH! Notre Dame stands at #16 in Sagarin's rankings. Got my answer, Thank you. mm
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Post by timholycross on Oct 16, 2023 8:47:14 GMT -5
I'm glad the field goal Notre Dame gave* USC at the end of the half didn't come back to bite them in the butt, as did the gift the Jints gave the Bills at the end of Q2 last night.
*sacked the qb, clock was running, there wasn't time to line up and spike the ball and get the fg team in....except 3 ND guys were celebrating the sack 15 yards behind the LOS instead of lining up; and the coach had to call a time out or it would have been an offside penalty (and moved the ball up 5 yards closer).
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Post by JRGNYR on Oct 16, 2023 13:01:03 GMT -5
Do the Patriots even have to tank? In a division with the Bills and Dolphins, who are both categorically better than the Patriots this year, and the Jets, who probably should've beaten New England and was a fumble away from making things very interesting with the Chiefs, the Pats are undeniably the worst team in that division. They are in need of a rebuild and the real question is who will be the person in charge.
EDIT: I see a lot of similarities this year between the Giants and the Patriots on the field. Mediocre QB who is most likely not the long-term answer. Injuries to key players. Some truly head scratching play calling. I can tell you the Giants aren't tanking one bit - they're as bad as advertised.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 22, 2023 17:40:23 GMT -5
The script was not followed today. Something missing from the Bills this year. 4-3 and they were lucky to beat the Jints last week.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 22, 2023 21:17:30 GMT -5
The Giants and Pats both suck at tanking.
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