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Preseason PL Poll Oct 11, 2023 9:12:33 GMT -5

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Men's Basketball 10/11/2023 10:00:15 AM

Patriot League Announces 2023-24 Men’s Basketball Preseason Honors (10.11.23)

Colgate earns top spot in preseason poll; Raiders’ Records claims both preseason major awards

BETHLEHEM, Pa. – Colgate was voted No. 1 in the 2023-24 preseason poll, and Raiders’ fifth-year forward Keegan Records was named Patriot League Men’s Basketball Preseason Player and Defensive Player of the Year when the League office announced preseason honors.

The three-time defending League champion Raiders received 162 points and 18 first-place votes, with Records collecting both preseason major awards. Records is joined on the five-member All-Patriot League Men’s Basketball Preseason Team by classmate Ryan Moffatt.

Lehigh finished second in the poll with 127 points and two first-place votes, while junior guards Keith Higgins Jr. and Tyler Whitney Sidney earned spots on the preseason squad. American placed third in the poll, while senior forward Matt Rogers claimed a spot on the preseason team.

Holy Cross received 100 points to rank fourth, while Boston University (90) and Loyola Maryland (79) finished fifth and sixth, respectively. Lafayette and Navy tied for seventh place with 74. The Leopards (2023) and Midshipmen (2022) fell to the Raiders in the last two Patriot League title games. Bucknell (50) and Army West Point (28) rounded out the poll.

The League’s men’s basketball coaches and sports information directors completed voting for the preseason poll, major awards and All-Patriot League team. They cannot vote for their team or student-athletes.

Patriot League Men’s Basketball Preseason Player and Defensive Player of the Year

Keegan Records, Colgate, 5th-year, Forward, South Kingstown, R.I./St. Andrews

*Records is a two-time All-Patriot League selection after earning First Team and All-Defensive Team honors following the 2022-23 season.

*The senior forward set the Patriot League single-season record with a .675 field-goal percentage, averaging 13.0 points, 6.0 rebounds and 1.3 blocks per game last season. He has led the League in field-goal percentage for two straight seasons.

*He has helped Colgate win three consecutive Patriot League titles, earning All-Tournament Team honors in 2023 after connecting for 17-of-20 attempts from the field in the Raiders’ semifinal and championship games against Army West Point and Lafayette, respectively.

2023-24 Men’s Basketball All-Patriot League Team

Matt Rogers, American, Sr., Forward, Knoxville, Md./St. Maria Goretti

2022-23 Stats: 32 GP, 14.1 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 57 asts, 28 stls, 25 blks, .613 FG%, .408 3FG%, .687 FT%

Career Patriot League Honors: All-Patriot League Second Team (2023)

Ryan Moffatt, Colgate, 5th-year, Forward, Lancaster, Pa./Hempfield

2022-23 Stats: 33 GP, 10.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 59 asts, 51 stls, .523 FG%, .453 3FG%, .750 FT%

Career Patriot League Honors: All-Patriot League Third Team (2023)

Keegan Records, Colgate, 5th-year, Forward, South Kingstown, R.I./St. Andrews

2022-23 Stats: 35 GP, 13.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 46, asts, 20 stls, 45 blks, .675 FG%, .633 FT%

Career Patriot League Honors: All-Patriot League First Team (2023), Defensive Team (2023), All-Tournament Team (2023), All-Patriot League Third Team (2022), All-Rookie Team (2020)

Keith Higgins Jr., Lehigh, West Hill, Calif./Chaminade Prep

2022-23 Stats: 30 GP, 14.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 52 asts, 33 stls, .476 FG%, .414 3FG%, .840 FT%

Career Patriot League Honors: All-Patriot League First Team (2023), All-Rookie Team (2022)

Tyler Whitney-Sidney, Lehigh, Jr., G, Somerville, Mass./Brooks School

2022-23 Stats: 29 GP, 13.3 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 64 asts, 39 stls, .473 FG%, .304 3FG%, .884 FT%

Career Patriot League Honors: All-Patriot League Third Team (2023), All-Rookie Team (2022)

2023-24 Patriot League Men’s Basketball Preseason Poll

1. Colgate, 162 points (18 first-place votes)

2. Lehigh, 127 (2)

3. American, 116

4. Holy Cross, 100

5. Boston University, 90

6. Loyola Maryland, 79

7T. Lafayette, 74

7T. Navy, 74

9. Bucknell, 50

10. Army West Point 28

2023-24 Patriot League Men’s Basketball Preseason Major Awards

Preseason Player of the Year – Keegan Records, Colgate, 5th, F

Preseason Defensive Player of the Year – Keegan Records, Colgate, 5th, F

2023-24 Men’s Basketball All-Patriot League Men’s Preseason Team

Matt Rogers, American, Sr., F

Keegan Records, Colgate, 5th, F

Ryan Moffatt, Colgate, 5th, F

Keith Higgins Jr., Lehigh, Jr., G

Tyler Whitney-Sidney, Lehigh, Jr., G

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Preseason PL Poll Oct 11, 2023 9:38:12 GMT -5 rgs318, HC13, and 2 more like this

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4th

The team either finished tied for 6th or 9th depending on your point of view and graduated the guy who was clearly the best player. Also lost a key part of the rotation to transfer, yet the supposedly most knowledgeable people pick HC at 4th. Be it coaching or incoming talent, they must see something that a casual glance would miss

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Preseason PL Poll Oct 11, 2023 10:15:24 GMT -5

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Oct 11, 2023 9:38:12 GMT -5 Tom said:

4th

The team either finished tied for 6th or 9th depending on your point of view and graduated the guy who was clearly the best player. Also lost a key part of the rotation to transfer, yet the supposedly most knowledgeable people pick HC at 4th. Be it coaching or incoming talent, they must see something that a casual glance would miss

A thought

Perhaps the league is even weaker this year, I know that is hard to believe but my guess is having a coach that is experienced, a proven winner, and knows the league is a factor.

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Preseason PL Poll Oct 11, 2023 10:16:32 GMT -5 rgs318, Sons of Vaval, and 5 more like this

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this reflects immense - and well-deserved - respect for paulsen.

i think we'll struggle this year, but i have no doubt we will be improved (a low bar) and will be competing for a pl title again in a few years.

KY Crusader 75 Kaftan MOP Circle Posts: 15,568	Preseason PL Poll Oct 11, 2023 10:41:45 GMT -5 mm67 likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 11, 2023 10:41:45 GMT -5 Very surprised and encouraged by this. Voters are clearly being moved by the change in coaches.

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Preseason PL Poll Oct 11, 2023 10:54:56 GMT -5 rgs318, sader1970, and 2 more like this

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Oct 11, 2023 10:16:32 GMT -5 dadominate said:

this reflects immense - and well-deserved - respect for paulsen.

i think we'll struggle this year, but i have no doubt we will be improved (a low bar) and will be competing for a pl title again in a few years.

Agreed.

Add to that DP's comment to me during the Open Practice a few weeks ago: Something along the lines of "We've got a ways to go, but this is NOT a ninth-place team in the Patriot league", and we can all take comfort that with the right guy running the show, brighter days are ahead.

Let's get started!

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We might not finish in the top 4 regular season, but I think this will be a much-improved fan experience and a team that finishes around .500 +/- 2 games.
But I am an optimist-- a glass full guy in case I spill

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Preseason PL Poll Oct 11, 2023 11:18:56 GMT -5

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Oct 11, 2023 11:01:00 GMT -5 efg72 said:

We might not finish in the top 4 regular season, but I think this will be a much-improved fan experience and a team that finishes around .500 +/- 2 games.
But I am an optimist-- a glass full guy in case I spill

One game removed from .500 in the league, 10-8 Army was in the top 4 last year

purplenurple Magna Cum Laude Posts: 294	Preseason PL Poll Oct 11, 2023 11:51:40 GMT -5 rgs318 and Ignutz like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by purplenurple on Oct 11, 2023 11:51:40 GMT -5 I would happily take fourth place after the seasons we have experienced recently.

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Preseason PL Poll Oct 11, 2023 11:59:54 GMT -5 efg72 likes this

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Oct 11, 2023 10:15:24 GMT -5 efg72 said:

Oct 11, 2023 9:38:12 GMT -5 Tom said:

4th

The team either finished tied for 6th or 9th depending on your point of view and graduated the guy who was clearly the best player. Also lost a key part of the rotation to transfer, yet the supposedly most knowledgeable people pick HC at 4th. Be it coaching or incoming talent, they must see something that a casual glance would miss

A thought

Perhaps the league is even weaker this year, I know that is hard to believe but my guess is having a coach that is experienced, a proven winner, and knows the league is a factor.

Much of the league is unquestionably weaker this year. Army, Navy, Bucknell, Boston U, and Lafayette all lost a lot more than HC did. The first four of those five all lost three or more of their top four players. Bucknell lost their top three players. (Nathan Davis left the program in shambles. He was a worse coach than FCBN.) Army lost a player who would have been one of the league's top two players, plus three other starters. Navy lost four starters including their top 2-3 players. Boston U lost four starters, including Walter Whyte. Etc.

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Preseason PL Poll Oct 11, 2023 12:06:07 GMT -5

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I really don't think there's a great deal of difference in talent between the teams in the league. Some have more experience, some have better coaching, and one has a winning culture that has to count for something.

FWIW, picked up Lindy's the other day, and they had HC for eighth. So who knows. Batch picked for 2nd team.

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Preseason PL Poll Oct 11, 2023 12:09:12 GMT -5

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Oct 11, 2023 11:59:54 GMT -5 bison137 said:

Oct 11, 2023 10:15:24 GMT -5 efg72 said:

A thought

Perhaps the league is even weaker this year, I know that is hard to believe but my guess is having a coach that is experienced, a proven winner, and knows the league is a factor.

Much of the league is unquestionably weaker this year. Army, Navy, Bucknell, Boston U, and Lafayette all lost a lot more than HC did. The first four of those five all lost three or more of their top four players. Bucknell lost their top three players. (Nathan Davis left the program in shambles. He was a worse coach than FCBN.) Army lost a player who would have been one of the league's top two players, plus three other starters. Navy lost four starters including their top 2-3 players. Boston U lost four starters, including Walter Whyte. Etc.

Thank you transfer portal, NIL, and just college basketball 2023 in general. Not a great time to be a low major these days if you're not already an established low major. You almost have to hope all your younger players develop slowly, and fly under the radar of the poachers.

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Preseason PL Poll Oct 11, 2023 12:09:35 GMT -5 via mobile dadominate, KY Crusader 75, and 1 more like this

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Oct 11, 2023 10:41:45 GMT -5 KY Crusader 75 said:

Very surprised and encouraged by this. Voters are clearly being moved by the change in coaches.

Waiting for BBC’s post about how this preseason ranking is reflective of the strong foundation Nelson provided Paulsen.

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Preseason PL Poll Oct 11, 2023 12:31:00 GMT -5 via mobile

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Oct 11, 2023 11:59:54 GMT -5 bison137 said:

Oct 11, 2023 10:15:24 GMT -5 efg72 said:

A thought

Perhaps the league is even weaker this year, I know that is hard to believe but my guess is having a coach that is experienced, a proven winner, and knows the league is a factor.

Much of the league is unquestionably weaker this year. Army, Navy, Bucknell, Boston U, and Lafayette all lost a lot more than HC did. The first four of those five all lost three or more of their top four players. Bucknell lost their top three players. (Nathan Davis left the program in shambles. He was a worse coach than FCBN.) Army lost a player who would have been one of the league's top two players, plus three other starters. Navy lost four starters including their top 2-3 players. Boston U lost four starters, including Walter Whyte. Etc.

Nathan Davis worse than Bret Nelson?? Them’s fightin words, Bison!!

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Preseason PL Poll Oct 11, 2023 14:02:06 GMT -5 Chu Chu and efg72 like this

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Oct 11, 2023 11:51:40 GMT -5 purplenurple said:

I would happily take fourth place after the seasons we have experienced recently.

a fourth place finish would mean hosting a quarterfinal tourney game. Butler and Faw were the last scholarship players to be on a team that participated in the quarterfinal round. Hosting the game would be a step forward

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Preseason PL Poll Oct 11, 2023 16:14:18 GMT -5 Ray, Ignutz, and 1 more like this

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Oct 11, 2023 12:31:00 GMT -5 KY Crusader 75 said:

Oct 11, 2023 11:59:54 GMT -5 bison137 said:

Much of the league is unquestionably weaker this year. Army, Navy, Bucknell, Boston U, and Lafayette all lost a lot more than HC did. The first four of those five all lost three or more of their top four players. Bucknell lost their top three players. (Nathan Davis left the program in shambles. He was a worse coach than FCBN.) Army lost a player who would have been one of the league's top two players, plus three other starters. Navy lost four starters including their top 2-3 players. Boston U lost four starters, including Walter Whyte. Etc.

Nathan Davis worse than Bret Nelson?? Them’s fightin words, Bison!!

No way, Bison.

Davis 129-115 at Bucknell

Nelson 27-84 at Holy Cross.

Not close. Nelson has to be in the top 10% of worst Div I coaches of all time. Don't get me started....

Other comment....shocked to see Walter Whyte has finally graduated. It seemed like he played for BU for 6 seasons.

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Preseason PL Poll Oct 11, 2023 16:27:14 GMT -5 Sons of Vaval likes this

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Anxious to hear reports and reactions

pessimistic outlook
Conf 9-9
OOC 3~10

Likely
Conf 10-8
OOC 4-9

Optimistic
Conf 12-6
OOC 5-8

Catch a lot of breaks in close games
Conf 13-5
OOC 7-6

I think if my math is right we get to 20-11, I know that is better than +2 wins over .500, but as the Black eyed peas said I have a feeling this is going to be a nice year- efg72 version of the song

Recruiting is going very well and I am sure more news is coming before the signing period

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KY Crusader 75 Kaftan MOP Circle Posts: 15,568	Preseason PL Poll Oct 11, 2023 18:26:27 GMT -5 via mobile Chu Chu likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 11, 2023 18:26:27 GMT -5 If we win 20 games this coming season it will be one of the greatest improvements in D-1 history

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Preseason PL Poll Oct 11, 2023 20:08:11 GMT -5 via mobile efg72 likes this

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Oct 11, 2023 18:26:27 GMT -5 KY Crusader 75 said:

If we win 20 games this coming season it will be one of the greatest improvements in D-1 history

‘73-‘74 season - 8-18

Bring in Potter & Vicens, and
‘74-‘75 season - 20-8 (which included a 1st round loss to eventual NIT champion and 12th-ranked Princeton)

Now that’s a turnaround - and the best in the country that year.

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nycrusader2010 Kaftan MOP Circle Posts: 5,431	Preseason PL Poll Oct 12, 2023 14:18:31 GMT -5 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 12, 2023 14:18:31 GMT -5 You know the Patriot League is a complete dumpster fire when HC picked preseason 4.

rgs318 Kaftan MOP Circle The truth is the truth even if few believe it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it. Posts: 21,082	Preseason PL Poll Oct 12, 2023 14:24:26 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by rgs318 on Oct 12, 2023 14:24:26 GMT -5 So you already know what HC will be this season with so many new players? Impressive that you can do that.
	Last Edit: Oct 19, 2023 9:15:48 GMT -5 by rgs318 Better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.

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Preseason PL Poll Oct 19, 2023 9:13:57 GMT -5

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Does anyone know the story behind Jalen Rucker leaving AWP after three seasons - as I understand cadets must commit to military service when entering their junior season so transfers after 3 years are very unusual, and a big blow to WP's chances this season. Where did he end up ?
My only thought is that since such transfers have to repay the Army when leaving after three years and Rucker is figuring his NIL deal will take care of that debt.

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