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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 13, 2023 12:59:52 GMT -5
Should we credit The Three Stooges if we swipe one of their clever wisecracks? Why soitenly!
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Post by hcpride on Dec 13, 2023 13:02:30 GMT -5
Ordinarily those known to plagiarize are not in a position to set and enforce university plagiarism rules. For obvious reasons. The only thing that could make Harvard look worse (if possible) was if they gave her an award for her plagiarized PhD dissertation. And what do you know: She earned her Ph.D. at Harvard in 1998, receiving the Toppan Prize for best dissertation in political science. www.harvard.edu/president/biography/ I’m still chuckling that the president at a school routinely torpedoed in free speech ratings can claim (with a straight face) that the robust free speech atmosphere at Harvard is why there is so much anti-semitism on campus. Huh?
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Post by HC92 on Dec 13, 2023 13:17:37 GMT -5
Not everyone is firmly grounded in reality.
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Post by alum on Dec 13, 2023 15:01:21 GMT -5
Ordinarily those known to plagiarize are not in a position to set and enforce university plagiarism rules. For obvious reasons. The only thing that could make Harvard look worse (if possible) was if they gave her an award for her plagiarized PhD dissertation. And what do you know: She earned her Ph.D. at Harvard in 1998, receiving the Toppan Prize for best dissertation in political science. www.harvard.edu/president/biography/ I’m still chuckling that the president at a school routinely torpedoed in free speech ratings can claim (with a straight face) that the robust free speech atmosphere at Harvard is why there is so much anti-semitism on campus. Huh? Pride---Harvard is capable of looking bad all on its own so I don't want to defend it, but let's be fair. The cited instances of plagarism (or some lesser failure to acknowledge source materials) would have been pretty difficult to track in 1998. I am sure your students pulled some fast ones on you before Turnitin.com was created.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 13, 2023 19:13:09 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 13, 2023 20:33:13 GMT -5
The Babylon Bee is a tremendous source of daily entertainment. I love one from the other day: “Husband becomes a Jehovah’s Witness so he won’t have to put up Christmas lights”.
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Post by CHC8485 on Dec 13, 2023 21:45:25 GMT -5
My sophomore year there was a bit of a kerfuffle on campus as Dean Schroth introduced an academic honesty policy. I don't know why it was such a big deal but we were college students The college choir presented a concert for April Fool's Day that featured the song below from Tom Lehrer. As part of the concert we wanted cameo appearances for members of the community - faculty, administrators, staff - I think we got Red from Kimball who used to to check IDs and allow students in for meals.
We asked Dean Schroth to make a cameo during this number ... just walk across the stage during this number, the music would stop, he'd look at the person singing the role, look at the audience, just shake his head, and continue walking. He declined the opportunity saying that plagarism is too serious a subject to joke about.
President Gay’s predictament reminded me of the song
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Post by alum on Dec 14, 2023 6:13:27 GMT -5
CHC8485– That was excellent. Father Schroth struggled with the balance between trying to make HC a more serious academic institution (remember the Holy Cross 100) and wanting to pal around with students. I’m not sure he ever got it right.
Listening to this ditty reminded me I am visiting my elderly aunt and uncle Saturday at the assisted living center to which they recently moved. He was first in his class at HC, earned a Ph.D in Mathematics from Harvard, taught at university level for 40 plus years, and published an article in a major mathematics journal when he was 89. He will have some thoughts on the Harvard situation.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 14, 2023 8:27:42 GMT -5
The Harvard Corporation appears very much aware of how awful Harvard (and its president) has looked recently - even issuing an unusual letter heavily criticizing their president's actions in the wake of the Hamas attack (including - but not limited to - her initial response to the slaughter and her subsequent Congressional testimony) and indicating she would make "corrections" to her scholarly articles. Curiously, these are not firing offenses.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 14, 2023 9:18:26 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see whether recent events have any impact on applications to Harvard this year and next. I suspect not but you never know. My current senior son has the grades and SATs to be a legitimate candidate to the Ivies but apparently has heard me say so many negative things about them over the years that there’s no way he’ll apply to any of them. Of course, he also won’t apply to UVA because they ruined his NCAA bracket a few years back.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 14, 2023 9:30:42 GMT -5
My sophomore year there was a bit of a kerfuffle on campus as Dean Schroth introduced an academic honesty policy. I don't know why it was such a big deal but we were college students The college choir presented a concert for April Fool's Day that featured the song below from Tom Lehrer. As part of the concert we wanted cameo appearances for members of the community - faculty, administrators, staff - I think we got Red from Kimball who used to to check IDs and allow students in for meals. We asked Dean Schroth to make a cameo during this number ... just walk across the stage during this number, the music would stop, he'd look at the person singing the role, look at the audience, just shake his head, and continue walking. He declined the opportunity saying that plagarism is too serious a subject to joke about. President Gay’s predictament reminded me of the song Also the singer/author of "Fight Fiercely, Harvard", one of my favorites, especially when HC beats them. "We shall invite the whole team out for tea, how jolly"
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 14, 2023 10:38:15 GMT -5
Always good to hear the "brilliant" Tom Lehrer. His "That Was the Year That Was" about 1969 is one of the best satire/comedy albums ever. My personal favorite tunes were Vatican Rag (of course) and National Brotherhood Week.
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Post by alum on Dec 14, 2023 12:02:35 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see whether recent events have any impact on applications to Harvard this year and next. I suspect not but you never know. My current senior son has the grades and SATs to be a legitimate candidate to the Ivies but apparently has heard me say so many negative things about them over the years that there’s no way he’ll apply to any of them. Of course, he also won’t apply to UVA because they ruined his NCAA bracket a few years back. As long as he also internalized that BC is a horrible choice, he should be fine.
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Post by Tom on Dec 14, 2023 12:15:57 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see whether recent events have any impact on applications to Harvard this year and next. I suspect not but you never know. My current senior son has the grades and SATs to be a legitimate candidate to the Ivies but apparently has heard me say so many negative things about them over the years that there’s no way he’ll apply to any of them. Of course, he also won’t apply to UVA because they ruined his NCAA bracket a few years back. Is this the same senior son that doesn't know if you crush a flimsy cardboard tube full of popcorn it goes all over the floor?
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Post by HC92 on Dec 14, 2023 18:56:05 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see whether recent events have any impact on applications to Harvard this year and next. I suspect not but you never know. My current senior son has the grades and SATs to be a legitimate candidate to the Ivies but apparently has heard me say so many negative things about them over the years that there’s no way he’ll apply to any of them. Of course, he also won’t apply to UVA because they ruined his NCAA bracket a few years back. Is this the same senior son that doesn't know if you crush a flimsy cardboard tube full of popcorn it goes all over the floor? The one and only. He’s library smart. Not bus smart. If you know what I mean.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 14, 2023 18:57:25 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see whether recent events have any impact on applications to Harvard this year and next. I suspect not but you never know. My current senior son has the grades and SATs to be a legitimate candidate to the Ivies but apparently has heard me say so many negative things about them over the years that there’s no way he’ll apply to any of them. Of course, he also won’t apply to UVA because they ruined his NCAA bracket a few years back. As long as he also internalized that BC is a horrible choice, he should be fine. No worrries. When people ask him if he’s applying there, he just looks at them as if they’re completely insane.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 19, 2023 0:49:32 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see whether recent events have any impact on applications to Harvard this year and next. I suspect not but you never know. My current senior son has the grades and SATs to be a legitimate candidate to the Ivies but apparently has heard me say so many negative things about them over the years that there’s no way he’ll apply to any of them. Of course, he also won’t apply to UVA because they ruined his NCAA bracket a few years back. Harvard Early Action applications down 17% this year and that application deadline was before the Congressional hearings that caused such a stir. Maybe people are starting to pay attention and don’t want to pay all that money for their kids to be brainwashed. Will also be interesting to track their yield numbers this year. Will more admitted students turn down Harvard than usual?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 19, 2023 6:35:18 GMT -5
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Post by td128 on Dec 19, 2023 7:29:56 GMT -5
Here is the entire statement:
Eloquent and heartbreaking. From Harvard Law Professor Mark Ramseyer's email to a Harvard list (with permission). I came for my PhD in '99, he came as a prof in '98. We were each publicly attacked for our views in '21.
"Harvard is a vastly less tolerant place than it was when I arrived in 1998. The intolerance is a function of an increasingly large fraction of our colleagues. And we – the rest of us on the Harvard faculty – let it happen. The cancelling, the punishments, the DEI bureaucracy, the DEI statements, the endless list that we could all recite – all this happened on our watch. We saw it happen, but we did nothing. We were too busy. We were scared to speak up. We – we on the faculty – let Harvard become what it is. The Harvard that we have is the result of our own collective moral failure.
The alumni who are furious are not trying to turn Harvard into something we do not want. They are trying to rescue Harvard from what we let it become. We as a faculty failed. That is why the alumni are speaking up. That is why we formed the Council on Academic Freedom in the first place." @cafharvard @sapinker
Not that I think Harvard ever had a soul in the first place but whatever it was they held in their inner being, they sold out. The question worthy of serious review is Who Bought Harvard and What Are Their True Motivations? This is a very DEEP question but we might simply look at the STATEments put forth by an array of actors and interested parties both foreign and domestic.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 19, 2023 7:40:27 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see whether recent events have any impact on applications to Harvard this year and next. I suspect not but you never know. My current senior son has the grades and SATs to be a legitimate candidate to the Ivies but apparently has heard me say so many negative things about them over the years that there’s no way he’ll apply to any of them. Of course, he also won’t apply to UVA because they ruined his NCAA bracket a few years back. Harvard Early Action applications down 17% this year and that application deadline was before the Congressional hearings that caused such a stir. Maybe people are starting to pay attention and don’t want to pay all that money for their kids to be brainwashed. Will also be interesting to track their yield numbers this year. Will more admitted students turn down Harvard than usual? Anti-semitism at Harvard was on public display (and received wide coverage) immediately after the October 7 slaughter of Jews in Israel. And the president’s letter three days later was seen by some as belated and tepid. Application deadline was NOV 1. (It is correct that the Harvard president’s disastrous Congressional testimony [wherein Harvard’s non-existent free speech culture was blamed 😜], her personal plagiarism scandal [with accompanying and ridiculous excuses 😜], and the Harvard faculty support of their fellow traveller president [😜] all occurred after the application deadline .) Could be a thousand reasons for reduced apps to Harvard (some folks thought they looked bad fighting furiously for the lost cause of race-based admissions earlier this year).
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Post by td128 on Dec 19, 2023 7:40:30 GMT -5
I welcome submitting this for further review and discussion in re the topic of SELLING OUT:
Former Harvard University Professor Sentenced for Lying About His Affiliation with Wuhan University of Technology; China’s Thousand Talents Program; and Filing False Tax Returns: www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/former-harvard-university-professor-sentenced-lying-about-his-affiliation-wuhan
BOSTON – The former Chair of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department was sentenced today in federal court in Boston for lying to federal authorities about his affiliation with People’s Republic of China’s Thousand Talents Program and the Wuhan University of Technology (WUT) in Wuhan, China, as well as failing to report income he received from WUT. Dr. Charles Lieber, 64, was sentenced by U.S. Senior District Court Judge Rya W. Zobel to time served (two days) in prison; two years of supervised release with six months of home confinement; a fine of $50,000; and $33,600 in restitution to the IRS. The government recommended a sentence of 90 days in prison and a $150,000 fine.
In December 2021, Lieber was convicted by a federal jury of two counts of making false statements to federal authorities, two counts of making and subscribing a false income tax return, and two counts of failing to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts (FBAR) with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).
Lieber served as the Principal Investigator of the Lieber Research Group at Harvard University, which between 2008 and 2019 conducted more than $15 million in research sponsored by various U.S. Government agencies, including the U.S. Department of Defense (“DOD”) and the National Institutes of Health (“NIH”). Unbeknownst to his employer, Harvard University, Lieber became a “Strategic Scientist” at WUT and, later, a contractual participant in China’s Thousand Talents Plan from at least 2012 through 2015. China’s Thousand Talents Plan was one of the most prominent Chinese talent recruitment plans designed to attract, recruit and cultivate high-level scientific talent in furtherance of China’s scientific development, economic prosperity and national security. In April 2018, during an interview with federal agents from DOD (one of the agencies that sponsored a portion of Lieber’s research), among other things, Lieber falsely stated that he had never been asked to participate in the Thousand Talents Plan. Later, in January 2019, Lieber caused Harvard to falsely tell the NIH (another sponsor of Lieber’s research) that Lieber was not, and had never been, a participant in the Thousand Talents Plan. Lieber knew these statements were false because he had signed a Thousand Talents contract with WUT in 2012, performed many of the duties and responsibilities required of him under that contract, and been paid a substantial salary by WUT in exchange for his work. Specifically, the terms of Lieber’s three-year Thousand Talents contract with WUT entitled Lieber to a salary of up to $50,000 per month, living expenses of up to $150,000 and approximately n $1.5 million to conduct joint research at WUT. In tax years 2013 and 2014, Lieber earned income from WUT in the form of salary and other payments made to him pursuant to his Thousand Talents contract, which he did not disclose to the IRS on his federal income tax returns. Together with WUT officials, Lieber also opened a bank account at a Chinese bank during a trip to Wuhan in 2012. Thereafter, between at least 2012 and 2015, WUT periodically deposited portions of Lieber’s salary into that account. U.S. taxpayers are required to report the existence of any foreign bank account that holds more than $10,000 at any time during a given year by the filing an FBAR with the IRS. According to Lieber, the balance of his Chinese bank account was approximately $200,000 in 2014 and 2015. Nonetheless, Lieber purposely failed to file FBARs for those years.
United States Attorney Rachael S. Rollins; Matthew Olsen, Assistant Attorney General for National Security; Joseph R. Bonavolonta, Special Agent in Charge of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Boston Division; Patrick J. Hegarty, Special Agent in Charge of the Defense Criminal Investigative Service, Northeast Field Office; Joleen D. Simpson, Special Agent in Charge of the Internal Revenue Service-Criminal Investigation Division for the Boston Field Office; Michael Wiest, Special Agent in Charge of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS), Northeast Field Office; and Philip M. Coyne, Special Agent in Charge of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Inspector General made the announcement today. Assistant U.S. Attorney Jason A. Casey of Rollins’ National Security Unit and Assistant U.S. Attorney James R. Drabick of Rollins’ Securities, Financial & Cyber Fraud Unit prosecuted the case.
Updated April 26, 2023
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Post by hcpride on Dec 19, 2023 7:54:24 GMT -5
The referenced intolerance and power of the academic left certainly explains the remarkable stranglehold that oddball theories (white privilege, anti-semitism, systemic racism, oppressor/oppressed worldview, DEI, etc) have on the Harvard campus.
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Post by 78purple on Dec 19, 2023 12:36:19 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see whether recent events have any impact on applications to Harvard this year and next. I suspect not but you never know. My current senior son has the grades and SATs to be a legitimate candidate to the Ivies but apparently has heard me say so many negative things about them over the years that there’s no way he’ll apply to any of them. Of course, he also won’t apply to UVA because they ruined his NCAA bracket a few years back. terrible reason not to apply to UVa 😊
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Post by HC92 on Dec 20, 2023 2:06:58 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 20, 2023 6:08:18 GMT -5
So I don’t get accused of plagerism myself (😉), this is from the American Historical Association. I can’t read the whole segment above but the phrase “without fear or favor” I have heard multiple times lately whether Christopher Wray or Merrick Garland or numerous others without attribution. It’s in the common use category IMO.
And referring to others as driving me more than I would myself has probably been used by numerous athletes referring to their coach when they receive an award.
Gay may well have plagerized but I don’t see this as a good example.
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