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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 3, 2017 10:11:30 GMT -5
Not exactly the same but it reminded me of this shot Or . . .
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 3, 2017 10:13:13 GMT -5
Uncanny with the score, Woo.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 3, 2017 10:26:23 GMT -5
This reminds me of an ignominious defeat from my freshman year. HC had defeated Boston University the previous 11 games in a row and yet we found ourselves up a single point at the Auditorium with BU taking the ball out with maybe 5 seconds to play. BU inbounded to guard Steve Dabney (I think that was his name) who simply dribbled the length of the court, unimpeded by any defender, and laid the ball in for the BU win. That and the Erie Fereigne basket when we lost to Vermont of all teams (or was it UNH?) are two I will always remember.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 3, 2017 10:35:14 GMT -5
Let's make sure that Mississippi State is not mentioned once past this post for obvious reasons...
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 3, 2017 10:40:54 GMT -5
A recent post suggested a comparison between Thompson's drives "into the trees" vs. Benzan's drives and our reaction to them . . . I like Ant, and I think he gets an excessively bad rap on this board. That said, I can't recall him ever using his left hand to shoot when driving "into the trees," something Benzan does all the time; Ant is tough and fearless, Benzan is tough and crafty. PB is also a good 3" taller (don't care what the "official" heights on the roster read). And while AT's three point shooting woes have been over-highlighted here, what has received less attention is that he has made less than 35% of his twos over the course of his career - Benzan, who almost never shoots anything but layups "among the trees" in side the arc, is making almost 54% of his twos. There is a reason for this.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 3, 2017 11:48:19 GMT -5
A recent post suggested a comparison between Thompson's drives "into the trees" vs. Benzan's drives and our reaction to them . . . I like Ant, and I think he gets an excessively bad rap on this board. That said, I can't recall him ever using his left hand to shoot when driving "into the trees," something Benzan does all the time; Ant is tough and fearless, Benzan is tough and crafty. PB is also a good 3" taller (don't care what the "official" heights on the roster read). And while AT's three point shooting woes have been over-highlighted here, what has received less attention is that he has made less than 35% of his twos over the course of his career - Benzan, who almost never shoots anything but layups "among the trees" in side the arc, is making almost 54% of his twos. There is a reason for this. Seems like you're politely saying that Ant is a real liability on the offensive end, which I don't disagree with. Ant is actually shooting a respectable 40% on 2PT FG this season (12-30), which makes it all the more frustrating that he has attempted so many 3PT FG (17-62, 27.4%). It's pretty amazing that he will end up attempting either the third or fourth most 3PT FG in HC history, despite hovering around 30% for his career. PB's propensity to find his way into the lane and finish around the basket amazes me. He never seems to be out of control, which has been the case with Ant, along with a favorite PG on this board (Torey Thomas).
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Post by timholycross on Jan 3, 2017 12:07:59 GMT -5
This reminds me of an ignominious defeat from my freshman year. HC had defeated Boston University the previous 11 games in a row and yet we found ourselves up a single point at the Auditorium with BU taking the ball out with maybe 5 seconds to play. BU inbounded to guard Steve Dabney (I think that was his name) who simply dribbled the length of the court, unimpeded by any defender, and laid the ball in for the BU win. That and the Erie Fereigne basket when we lost to Vermont of all teams (or was it UNH?) are two I will always remember. Other than the shot coming from the foul line (according to the Globe archives), right you are! Including the name Dabney. I guess everyone on the court seemed to think the clock would run out if he dribbled from foul line to foul line (and it's been proven time and again since that there IS time to do that, basket was clearly legitimate). You got the other one too, Erie Ferange, UNH. That one I remember even better. HC up by 1. UNH had 2 or 3 shots in close range to win it. On the last one, an HC guy under the basket thought the best thing to do was bat the ball down the court, not grab it. It went out at least as far as the 28 foot stripe (is that even still on a college basketball court?). Ferange picked it up, back to the basket, turned around and threw up a two hand set shot, off the board and in to win it.
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Post by ncaam on Jan 3, 2017 12:15:28 GMT -5
How about the Albany big last season taking it coast to coast?
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Post by sarasota on Jan 3, 2017 12:56:15 GMT -5
The worst thing that can happen is for AT to sink a 3. It will be quickly followed by two or three misses.
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Post by sarasota on Jan 3, 2017 13:04:49 GMT -5
BTW, of course coaches will say they never read this Board. I don't believe it for a minute.
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Post by Tom on Jan 3, 2017 13:05:51 GMT -5
- Friday HC lost on the road to the pre-season #2. Last night the team was barely held home court against the pre-season #8. There's almost more cause for concern in the win than in the loss
- On a positive note, there's something to be said for winning a tight game. This year's squad has more often than not been on the short side of these games. As cliched as it sounds a team needs to learn how to win. Last night could be a step in that direction
- This team is going to operate with a core 6 with some support from Floyd and Zignorski (and maybe LeSann). The core 6 can't be taking themselves out of the action with foul trouble
- Yet another observation on the shot clock, desperation 3. The last pass has to be perfect. There were instances where a clean catch and shoot would have resulted in what I consider a good look, regardless of time on the shot clock. However, if the pass is a little off or slightly deflected, I was seeing the player extend or move to catch the pass, then try to set and shoot. It seems like a small point, but the extra half second of extending followed by setting gives the defender an extra moment to get into position, turning a good look into a not so good look. Not a big deal early in the shot clock - just pass again if the defender gets on you tight (or try to drive past him). But when the shot clock is winding down and there are no other options, it seems like a lot of last passes are just enough off to give defenders extra time to get into position
- I have never seen a blocking call made when a shot is in the air. The six point double possession was strange to say the least
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Post by hc6774 on Jan 3, 2017 15:01:30 GMT -5
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Post by lou on Jan 3, 2017 15:06:08 GMT -5
Must have the second double foul of the game ... Amazing
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Post by purple71 on Jan 3, 2017 15:19:04 GMT -5
CMO,
How the hell did you create this post? I am very, very impressed and would love to duplicate it for my Club.
Purple'71
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Post by purple71 on Jan 3, 2017 15:29:39 GMT -5
Your photography is phenomenal. If I were still coaching CYO I would buy most of the shots for the shooting and boxing out techniques shown. Thanks for sharing them.
Only one issue: in one of the photos of PB he appears to be palming the ball,
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Post by hchoops on Jan 3, 2017 15:35:03 GMT -5
Refs have not called palming in at least 20 years
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 3, 2017 15:48:00 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 3, 2017 15:48:30 GMT -5
Your photography is phenomenal. If I were still coaching CYO I would buy most of the shots for the shooting and boxing out techniques shown. Thanks for sharing them.
Only one issue: in one of the photos of PB he appears to be palming the ball,
Yea...I REFUSE to shoot the shooter on a free throw. So boring!
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Post by purple71 on Jan 3, 2017 15:51:58 GMT -5
Hops- IMHO it was not "a good shot" in the sense of a high percentage shot. He had at least two tall defenders in his face. PB's athleticism made it a great shot. We criticize AT for his kamikazee dives into tall defenders. Also, remember how we crucified CMB for throwing his players under the bus by always talking about missed shots. CBC is doing the same thing. He doesn't know what to do about it? How about giving CLS significant minutes. MH attempted exactly ONE 3. Did CBC tell him to look for the 3? How about insisting that MZ keeps shooting 3's till he starts making them. Practice time is no substitute for real game time. (Please don't start accusing me of hate talk against CBC. Is he immune from some criticism?) AS I read this I am reminded of a great historical quote:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
No armchair coach has ever lost a game.
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Post by purple71 on Jan 3, 2017 15:56:18 GMT -5
Refs have not called palming in at least 20 years I believe it is now referred to by broadcasters as "turning the ball over" and it is called in the MAAC 3 or 4 times a year. I am still not sure what the current criterion for such a call might be as it appears to be highly subjective.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 3, 2017 15:56:25 GMT -5
This reminds me of an ignominious defeat from my freshman year. HC had defeated Boston University the previous 11 games in a row and yet we found ourselves up a single point at the Auditorium with BU taking the ball out with maybe 5 seconds to play. BU inbounded to guard Steve Dabney (I think that was his name) who simply dribbled the length of the court, unimpeded by any defender, and laid the ball in for the BU win. That and the Erie Fereigne basket when we lost to Vermont of all teams (or was it UNH?) are two I will always remember. Other than the shot coming from the foul line (according to the Globe archives), right you are! Including the name Dabney. I guess everyone on the court seemed to think the clock would run out if he dribbled from foul line to foul line (and it's been proven time and again since that there IS time to do that, basket was clearly legitimate). You got the other one too, Erie Ferange, UNH. That one I remember even better. HC up by 1. UNH had 2 or 3 shots in close range to win it. On the last one, an HC guy under the basket thought the best thing to do was bat the ball down the court, not grab it. It went out at least as far as the 28 foot stripe (is that even still on a college basketball court?). Ferange picked it up, back to the basket, turned around and threw up a two hand set shot, off the board and in to win it. Thanks for the correction and, honestly, now that you have said it I do remember it that way--dribbled down and took the jumper....
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Post by hchoops on Jan 3, 2017 16:02:25 GMT -5
Refs have not called palming in at least 20 years I believe it is now referred to by broadcasters as "turning the ball over" and it is called in the MAAC 3 or 4 times a year. I am still not sure what the current criterion for such a call might be as it appears to be highly subjective.
The rule book refers to the dribbler's palm facing to the ceiling before continuing the dribble the only time it is called is sometimes when the dribbler does it and gains a significant advantage over his defender
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Post by sarasota on Jan 3, 2017 16:08:52 GMT -5
Ray- Why don't you stop calling him "Henry." Are you trying to show off, show you know something the rest of us don't know. Unlike you, I can tolerate diversity--even if it's uninformed, unreasonable, stupid, aggravating, etc. I don't have the censorship gene you apparently have. The old saying "Sticks & stones can break my bones but words can't hurt me" has a lot of wisdom in it.
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Post by sarasota on Jan 3, 2017 16:19:49 GMT -5
purple71- If we all followed that, none of us would ever offer critical analysis, opinion, etc.--except, perhaps the few ex-professional coaches hereon. Or are you CBC?
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Post by purple71 on Jan 3, 2017 17:21:28 GMT -5
purple71- If we all followed that, none of us would ever offer critical analysis, opinion, etc.--except, perhaps the few ex-professional coaches hereon. Or are you CBC? Oh yes, another attempt at sarcasm.
No, I am not CBC, just one who doesn't think he always knows more than anyone else.
My real pet peeve is criticism of players by name. I must be thinned skinned, but was once in the arena myself.
I guess I must have been paying attention in Religion Class a long time ago. Makes me strive for humility, which given my talents, is an easy thing.
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