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Post by longsuffering on Nov 4, 2023 17:22:05 GMT -5
You've lost me here. By that logic, would you take an 8-3 Pioneer League team over a 7-4 Missouri Valley team? Who you play kind of matters. Exactly. It is NOT like a conference tie-breaker where you go to W-L and if it is tied then and only then you look at other things. There seems a bit of confusion regarding this. I didn't make plain that obviously eight wins over non-scholarship teams would equal a ton of tangential factors right there and wouldn't stand up well against 7-4 vs scholarship teams. I'm thinking about bubble teams like HC and Fordham who schedule FBS games and good FCS opponents like Albany, Harvard, Yale. I don't think there are too many 7-4 FCS teams with schedules tough enough to outweigh 8-3 by a Fordham or Holy Cross. If it is very close I would favor the team that won on the field, not the committee room.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Nov 4, 2023 17:22:48 GMT -5
Getting hard to pick weekly winners with all the unpredictability in the PL!
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 4, 2023 17:33:53 GMT -5
Getting hard to pick weekly winners with all the unpredictability in the PL! And by extension FCS.
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Post by hc69 on Nov 4, 2023 17:36:50 GMT -5
If Fordham wins next week, we just need to beat Gtown- which is not easy right now Expect Army to be flat next week after what looks like a big win over AF, but I count on nothing They're at home on Veteran's Day with a lot of current and former military in the stands. I don't expect them to be flat.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 4, 2023 17:53:35 GMT -5
I don't expect HC to be flat either, especially if we get Sluka and Dobbs back.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 4, 2023 17:54:47 GMT -5
Interesting West Point factoids: Entering Saturday on a five-game losing streak, Army (3–6) pulled off a stunning 23–3 win over No. 25 Air Force (8–1), handing the Falcons their first loss of the season while ending the program’s 52-game losing streak against AP-ranked teams. Army’s monumental win, astonishingly, fell exactly 51 years to the date of its last win over an AP-ranked team. As it turns out, the opponent on that fateful Nov. 4 back in 1972 just so happened to be then No. 19-ranked Air Force, who lost at West Point, 17–14.www.si.com/college/2023/11/04/army-football-air-force-first-loss-season-massive-upset
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Post by efg72 on Nov 4, 2023 17:54:51 GMT -5
Perhaps, but they might be thinking Navy tonight and grabbing the CIC Trophy
Bigger question
With Lafayette losing today do we continue to sit injured players against Army and perhaps have some healthy bodies for Gtown, and roll the dice the Leopards lose to Fordham or Lehigh and we grab the auto bid.
Or
Continue to focus on one game each week, and see how it plays out
Not sure how much farther down the depth chart we can go, especially on Defense.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 4, 2023 17:57:51 GMT -5
Perhaps, but they might be thinking Navy tonight and grabbing the CIC Trophy Bigger question With Lafayette losing today do we continue to sit injured players against Army and perhaps have some healthy bodies for Gtown, and roll the dice the Leopards lose to Fordham or Lehigh and we grab the auto bid. Or Continue to focus on one game each week, and see how it plays out Not sure how much farther down the depth chart we can go, especially on Defense. An interesting question (especially if we start with an assumption -for the sake of argument - we are almost certain to lose at West Point at West Point on Veterans Day no matter who plays). We also don't know how hurt Sluka and Dobbs are. One would think if they were essentially too inured to play today, next week would certainly be questionable.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 4, 2023 18:01:39 GMT -5
Have not read everything here - what happened to Dobbs ? Out next week also ?
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Post by efg72 on Nov 4, 2023 18:10:20 GMT -5
Watched Dobbs come off the field at Fordham and he looked banged up and beat
If the DL doesn't move its feet after initial contact Dobbs and our LBs are going to get hurt. I can live with the mistakes and development of the DBs but the DL play is a mystery
There was a player named Mike Dewine- spelling wrong I am sure. He was smaller, but really quick and tough as nails. He created all sorts of problems for the opponent’s offense as well as during our practices. The game has changed a ton but we don't get any penetration right now, and I wonder if quickness and speed on the DL would be better for us than size and strength
But then again that was 50 years ago
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Post by mm67 on Nov 4, 2023 18:47:06 GMT -5
Lafayette will in all likelihood need to win out & they know it. The games against FU & Lehigh will be difficult tests. FU will be highly motivated to get an at-large bid. And, Lehigh? Heee, heee,,,The Pards could lose both games. The PL is beginning to show good competitive balance. Makes for a more interesting season. Hope it continues.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 4, 2023 18:59:33 GMT -5
Our game next week just got a scroll in the Army-Air Force contest And a reference to the 2002 Holy Cross team who won the last meeting. The 5 Army turnovers that day were noted. Gonna be a tough game, especially if the obvious star players are on the sideline again.
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Post by steve81 on Nov 4, 2023 19:07:34 GMT -5
No rain in the forecast for the first time and we win at home. With all subs we did give up an easy TD and took a knee on their 2 yard line. UMass 31-21 Merrimack, Attendance this late in the season was very good for us. It's tickets scanned, nothing inflated: 14,672.
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Post by drjack on Nov 4, 2023 19:13:41 GMT -5
UIW just lost and it'll probably cost them the conference now. They're looking solidly on the bubble as well but have a forfeit and a D2 win which won't really help them.
We should be comfortably ahead of them should we manage to win out
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 4, 2023 22:44:58 GMT -5
No rain in the forecast for the first time and we win at home. With all subs we did give up an easy TD and took a knee on their 2 yard line. UMass 31-21 Merrimack, Attendance this late in the season was very good for us. It's tickets scanned, nothing inflated: 14,672. That is a good turnout. I bet Merrimack brought more fans than a far away G-5 team does.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 5, 2023 9:07:41 GMT -5
Sam Hartman of ND tied Tim DeMorat for most losses in a career vs one opponent, 5.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 5, 2023 9:25:01 GMT -5
Lafayette will in all likelihood need to win out & they know it. The games against FU & Lehigh will be difficult tests. FU will be highly motivated to get an at-large bid. And, Lehigh? Heee, heee,,,The Pards could lose both games. The PL is beginning to show good competitive balance. Makes for a more interesting season. Hope it continues. Agree it is more competitive than we thought, but look how far it has dropped to get there. Perhaps what we are showing is the league is weak and competitive when key players and leaders are injured for the better teams. It shows the lack of depth compared to the power conferences in the FCS I wonder who has the committee responsibility for promoting and defending the PL since Fordham leaves the room For the purpose of consideration and figuring out tie breakers only This could end in a four way tie for first place if Laffy loses to Fordham and we lose to Georgetown Holy Cross Laffy Georgetown Fordham or Colgate winner
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Post by timholycross on Nov 5, 2023 10:14:51 GMT -5
Lafayette will in all likelihood need to win out & they know it. The games against FU & Lehigh will be difficult tests. FU will be highly motivated to get an at-large bid. And, Lehigh? Heee, heee,,,The Pards could lose both games. The PL is beginning to show good competitive balance. Makes for a more interesting season. Hope it continues. Agree it is more competitive than we thought, but look how far it has dropped to get there. Perhaps what we are showing is the league is weak and competitive when key players and leaders are injured for the better teams. It shows the lack of depth compared to the power conferences in the FCS I wonder who has the committee responsibility for promoting and defending the PL since Fordham leaves the room For the purpose of consideration and figuring out tie breakers only This could end in a four way tie for first place if Laffy loses to Fordham and we lose to Georgetown Holy Cross Laffy Georgetown Fordham or Colgate winner Depends on the rules and how they are applied. If it's round robin record between the 4 teams and then any ties still not resolved are then broken by head to head, this is what it would be: Colgate wins; so it would be HC (1-2), Colgate (2-1), Lafayette (2-1) and Georgetown (1-2). Colgate beat Lafayette head to head. Fordham wins, so it would be HC (1-2), Fordham (1-2), Lafayette (2-1) and Georgetown (2-1). Lafayette beat Georgetown.
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Post by mm67 on Nov 5, 2023 10:25:45 GMT -5
As the late Brother Occam reasoned, it's best to keep it simple. HC defeats G'Town. Lafayette loses one of its remaining games. HC crowned PL champion for 6th(?) year in a row. Simplicity always works best. HA! But, indeed, this year's mad scramble is very entertaining.
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Post by Ignutz on Nov 5, 2023 20:26:10 GMT -5
As the late Brother Occam reasoned, it's best to keep it simple. HC defeats G'Town. Lafayette loses one of its remaining games. HC crowned PL champion for 6th(?) year in a row. Simplicity always works best. HA! But, indeed, this year's mad scramble is very entertaining. I believe it would be the fifth year in a row - never been done before in the PL, and we’re the only D-1 team in the country who can accomplish that feat this year. Let’s get one for the thumb!
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