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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 14, 2023 21:21:41 GMT -5
I believe Georgetown currently leads the Patriot League in total Defense. Will be interesting for sure, especially in the 1st half.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 14, 2023 21:48:30 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see who participates in the senior day festivities - that should give us an indication of who will take the covid/5th year What are the posters opinions on this ?
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 14, 2023 22:44:37 GMT -5
For the record, I can't see myself continuing to pay for NEFJ moving forward as I don't actually think their coverage is all that good, but I'm happy to post any articles through this season at the least. That 903 word article you put out has very little information besides quotes from Chesney.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 15, 2023 1:10:10 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see who participates in the senior day festivities - that should give us an indication of who will take the covid/5th year What are the posters opinions on this ? Sluka and Coker have choices. With the NFL option each should have offers of un-drafted free agent contracts at a minimum if they choose that route. They each should have offers as a post grad transfer to high FBS programs if they choose that route and they each should receive an offer to play a fifth year for HC if they choose that route. I rank post grad transfer as the most likely, an NFL free agent as the next most likely and staying at HC as the third most likely.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 15, 2023 6:18:20 GMT -5
Jacob Dobbs I also believe has an extra year of eligibility which he cannot use at Holy Cross. He used his 5th year injury redshirt here but still has a COVID year at his disposal. Looking forward to seeing him play at an FBS school next year as well.
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 15, 2023 6:20:39 GMT -5
There are so many factors I don't want to speculate. I like LS's analysis. Some factors could include the result of our season, who else is coming back next year, will they start at an FBS program, is it G5 or P5, etc. For Sluka the NFL route might also include who would take him as a QB. Ultimately which of the 3 options LS presented (which is spot on I think) would result in the best future at the NFL level.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 15, 2023 6:22:27 GMT -5
I believe Georgetown currently leads the Patriot League in total Defense. Will be interesting for sure, especially in the 1st half. Yes, especially if Sluka's arm is still somewhat limited. No way he was 100% at West Point IMO. But, even if we run more or less the playbook that we did against Army, we shouldn't have a problem scoring if we are able to finish drives. Fuller may be out, perhaps Forrest gets some additional carries on his senior day. I'm still more worried about what goes on when Georgetown has the ball.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 15, 2023 6:33:42 GMT -5
There are so many factors I don't want to speculate. I like LS's analysis. Some factors could include the result of our season, who else is coming back next year, will they start at an FBS program, is it G5 or P5, etc. For Sluka the NFL route might also include who would take him as a QB. Ultimately which of the 3 options LS presented (which is spot on I think) would result in the best future at the NFL level. I think Sluka's best bet is to be a QB1 next year at an FBS school. Currently he's in the 60-65 range at QB for the 2024 draft class. A great season at a bigger school where he continues to develop his passing game, and who knows, maybe he's in the Top 20 for 2025. Too early for him to switch positions. The NFL comparison I would make for him would be Chris Streveler. Run-first back up QB who came out of South Dakota and set a bunch of FCS rushing records for a QB. He starred in the CFL and was signed by the Arizona Cardinals as a backup in 2020. He was also the 3rd QB on the Jets last year, behind Zach Wilson and Joe Flacco. Steveler is currently a FA but worked out this week for the 49ers. Not too glamorous but being in the league is being in the league. Maybe I'm selling Sluka short on the Steveler comparison and he turns out to be the next Brock Purdy. Who knows?! Everyone always talks about athletic QBs switching positions to stick in the NFL but I can't think of a ton of examples where it actually worked out. The best example I can think of is Terrelle Pryor. And the two other examples, ironically were both QBs who came out of Kent State -- Josh Cribbs and Julian Edelman. So maybe Matt should head to Kent next year?
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Post by hcpride on Nov 15, 2023 6:54:27 GMT -5
There are so many factors I don't want to speculate. I like LS's analysis. Some factors could include the result of our season, who else is coming back next year, will they start at an FBS program, is it G5 or P5, etc. For Sluka the NFL route might also include who would take him as a QB. Ultimately which of the 3 options LS presented (which is spot on I think) would result in the best future at the NFL level. I think Sluka's best bet is to be a QB1 next year at an FBS school. Currently he's in the 60-65 range at QB for the 2024 draft class. A great season at a bigger school where he continues to develop his passing game, and who knows, maybe he's in the Top 20 for 2025. Too early for him to switch positions. The NFL comparison I would make for him would be Chris Streveler. Run-first back up QB who came out of South Dakota and set a bunch of FCS rushing records for a QB. He starred in the CFL and was signed by the Arizona Cardinals as a backup in 2020. He was also the 3rd QB on the Jets last year, behind Zach Wilson and Joe Flacco. Steveler is currently a FA but worked out this week for the 49ers. Not too glamorous but being in the league is being in the league. Maybe I'm selling Sluka short on the Steveler comparison and he turns out to be the next Brock Purdy. Who knows?! Everyone always talks about athletic QBs switching positions to stick in the NFL but I can't think of a ton of examples where it actually worked out. The best example I can think of is Terrelle Pryor. And the two other examples, ironically were both QBs who came out of Kent State -- Josh Cribbs and Julian Edelman. So maybe Matt should head to Kent next year? FBS (MAC level) will burn a schollie for a one-year FCS QB transfer if they see the guy as a successful and immediate starter at their school. Very very rare. Not sure about everyone and always but I’ve seen folks point out that very fast/agile QBs with clearly sub par NFL arms might try a receiver position if they want to play in the NFL. (Edelman is one.) Again, VERY rare and the descriptor very fast/agile means relative to NFL fast/agile. Obviously, great hands (relative to NFL standards) are amongst the other must-haves for this sort of thing. Not sure of Sluka’s 40 and agility times and not sure of his hands. Has Sluka shown another year of improvement in regards to his arm or has he plateaued or does he have an issue that’s hampering his passing at this point? Or a mixed bag?
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Post by hc1996 on Nov 15, 2023 8:41:16 GMT -5
I would bet that 10 years out, most every guy who chooses to leave HC next year for another year elsewhere will second guess their decision. I don't see any of them being impact players at top 25 FBS teams. And that's what it takes to get noticed much more than they are now. Stay at HC and continue to make memories at Fitton.
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 15, 2023 9:15:10 GMT -5
There are so many factors I don't want to speculate. I like LS's analysis. Some factors could include the result of our season, who else is coming back next year, will they start at an FBS program, is it G5 or P5, etc. For Sluka the NFL route might also include who would take him as a QB. Ultimately which of the 3 options LS presented (which is spot on I think) would result in the best future at the NFL level. I think Sluka's best bet is to be a QB1 next year at an FBS school. Currently he's in the 60-65 range at QB for the 2024 draft class. A great season at a bigger school where he continues to develop his passing game, and who knows, maybe he's in the Top 20 for 2025. Too early for him to switch positions. The NFL comparison I would make for him would be Chris Streveler. Run-first back up QB who came out of South Dakota and set a bunch of FCS rushing records for a QB. He starred in the CFL and was signed by the Arizona Cardinals as a backup in 2020. He was also the 3rd QB on the Jets last year, behind Zach Wilson and Joe Flacco. Steveler is currently a FA but worked out this week for the 49ers. Not too glamorous but being in the league is being in the league. Maybe I'm selling Sluka short on the Steveler comparison and he turns out to be the next Brock Purdy. Who knows?! Everyone always talks about athletic QBs switching positions to stick in the NFL but I can't think of a ton of examples where it actually worked out. The best example I can think of is Terrelle Pryor. And the two other examples, ironically were both QBs who came out of Kent State -- Josh Cribbs and Julian Edelman. So maybe Matt should head to Kent next year? Do you think G5 vs. P5 makes a difference for Matt? Obviously he would want to come in as the clear cut starter. Ayir is having success at what I would classify as a high-level G5. Flu is doing well leading the Ohio secondary. Matt is, I think, at a different level (certainly than Jack Coulson who hasn't had much Mac-tion at Kent State). I wonder if he would get any P5 offers. Personally, and this is where purple glasses come on, I would rather see Matt and Jalen as starters for a P5 rather than leaving the program to be a starter at most G5 schools.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 15, 2023 9:20:50 GMT -5
Matt’s throwing ability will hold him back at the next level, either P5 or NFL - best NFL comparison is Taysom Hill of NO Saints who is a backup qb and mostly used as a runner Coker might have the better opportunity at a P5 school IMO
Under the category of ‘nothing new here’ weather forecast for Saturday is mid 50’s and 91 pct chance of rain
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Post by hcpride on Nov 15, 2023 9:21:04 GMT -5
Jacob Dobbs I also believe has an extra year of eligibility which he cannot use at Holy Cross. He used his 5th year injury redshirt here but still has a COVID year at his disposal. Looking forward to seeing him play at an FBS school next year as well. This came up before and he may be just barely over the limit (in terms of games played last year) to qualify for a medical hardship waiver year. He played in 4 games and that represented just over 30% of our contests. I haven't seen anything from HC or Jacob in this regard. This may have been his Covid year.
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 15, 2023 9:46:46 GMT -5
I think the only saving grace for Saturday will be that the heaviest rain is in the morning and showers continuing in the afternoon. Showers in the am and dry in the pm for Laffy-Lehigh in Bethlehem. Perhaps this means Silbor will be able to attack the Leopards D through the air. Not going to be the wet slogfest that it was at Fitton a few weeks ago. Should benefit Lehigh a bit.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 15, 2023 9:55:37 GMT -5
I would bet that 10 years out, most every guy who chooses to leave HC next year for another year elsewhere will second guess their decision. I don't see any of them being impact players at top 25 FBS teams. And that's what it takes to get noticed much more than they are now. Stay at HC and continue to make memories at Fitton. Don't think it's that simple. Plus academically they will have graduated and have the opportunity to pursue a year of graduate education. I'm fairly certain that both Jalen and Matt will find their niche at the FBS level next year. I agree with cruskater that out of the two of them, Jalen is more likely to end up at a power conference program. Matt's best bet is to find a school, likely G5 level if I had to guess, where he has a slam dunk opportunity to be QB1.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 15, 2023 11:15:18 GMT -5
Lehigh’s Silbor was injured in the Colgate game and last year’s starter Dante Perri finished the game. Understand Silbor is doubtful for the Laf game
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Post by midwestsader05 on Nov 15, 2023 12:01:48 GMT -5
Jacob Dobbs I also believe has an extra year of eligibility which he cannot use at Holy Cross. He used his 5th year injury redshirt here but still has a COVID year at his disposal. Looking forward to seeing him play at an FBS school next year as well. This came up before and he may be just barely over the limit (in terms of games played last year) to qualify for a medical hardship waiver year. He played in 4 games and that represented just over 30% of our contests. I haven't seen anything from HC or Jacob in this regard. This may have been his Covid year. Jake does have a year of collegiate eligibility left. You can play in 4 regular season games and now playoff games don't count against the cap. It's the injury in the 5th game where things get interesting. i.e Devin this year.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Nov 15, 2023 12:12:06 GMT -5
I would bet that 10 years out, most every guy who chooses to leave HC next year for another year elsewhere will second guess their decision. I don't see any of them being impact players at top 25 FBS teams. And that's what it takes to get noticed much more than they are now. Stay at HC and continue to make memories at Fitton. Don't think it's that simple. Plus academically they will have graduated and have the opportunity to pursue a year of graduate education. I'm fairly certain that both Jalen and Matt will find their niche at the FBS level next year. I agree with cruskater that out of the two of them, Jalen is more likely to end up at a power conference program. Matt's best bet is to find a school, likely G5 level if I had to guess, where he has a slam dunk opportunity to be QB1. Jalen won't need a niche. He would start for many Top 30 FBS programs. The Taysom Hill comp is the correct one for Matt. He will not need to switch positions. He's a QB. His choice would be going to a solid G5 program or even bottom tier P4 program (Indiana type) with a very high likelihood to be the starter OR shoot for higher FBS and at minimum that Taysom Hill role (10-15 snaps a game) and a shot to be the starter. It's also tougher for a QB to show up in the summer vs the spring. That took many options away for Ayir (Coach Bohl at Wyoming was adamant he finishes his degree at HC). It will limit Matt's options v Jalen but at least a half dozen very good FBS schools would come for Matt. He's that different when you combine his athleticism, experience, and other intangibles.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 15, 2023 12:49:23 GMT -5
Thumbs up regarding Coach Bohl.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Nov 15, 2023 12:55:02 GMT -5
I would bet that 10 years out, most every guy who chooses to leave HC next year for another year elsewhere will second guess their decision. I don't see any of them being impact players at top 25 FBS teams. And that's what it takes to get noticed much more than they are now. Stay at HC and continue to make memories at Fitton. Don't think it's that simple. Plus academically they will have graduated and have the opportunity to pursue a year of graduate education. I'm fairly certain that both Jalen and Matt will find their niche at the FBS level next year. I agree with cruskater that out of the two of them, Jalen is more likely to end up at a power conference program. Matt's best bet is to find a school, likely G5 level if I had to guess, where he has a slam dunk opportunity to be QB1. This won't happen but it's fun to think about. ND's transfer QB, Sam Hartman, is done after this year. Why not bring in Matt Sluka? With great players all around him he would be fun to watch at that level.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 15, 2023 13:11:53 GMT -5
Don't think it's that simple. Plus academically they will have graduated and have the opportunity to pursue a year of graduate education. I'm fairly certain that both Jalen and Matt will find their niche at the FBS level next year. I agree with cruskater that out of the two of them, Jalen is more likely to end up at a power conference program. Matt's best bet is to find a school, likely G5 level if I had to guess, where he has a slam dunk opportunity to be QB1. This won't happen but it's fun to think about. ND's transfer QB, Sam Hartman, is done after this year. Why not bring in Matt Sluka? With great players all around him he would be fun to watch at that level. ND aspires to be in the CFP each season. They're not bringing in an FCS QB to get them there.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Nov 15, 2023 13:29:46 GMT -5
In the post game presser, the Army coach said something to the effect that Matt "would have had Power 5 offers had he been in the transfer portal last year." He was generally quite effusive in his praise of Matt. Will be interesting to see where he ends up.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Nov 15, 2023 13:54:13 GMT -5
Don't think it's that simple. Plus academically they will have graduated and have the opportunity to pursue a year of graduate education. I'm fairly certain that both Jalen and Matt will find their niche at the FBS level next year. I agree with cruskater that out of the two of them, Jalen is more likely to end up at a power conference program. Matt's best bet is to find a school, likely G5 level if I had to guess, where he has a slam dunk opportunity to be QB1. This won't happen but it's fun to think about. ND's transfer QB, Sam Hartman, is done after this year. Why not bring in Matt Sluka? With great players all around him he would be fun to watch at that level. In an attempt to get his thread back on track as the 5th year projections should be in the 2024 thread...2 points. 1) I agree on ND not being a fit for Matt, but I would not be surprised if they have a run at Jay. He's that good. FBS P4 Programs that use a comparable system to us (shotgun but ground and pound w/ ideally a dual threat QB) Matt could be a fit (only those I've watched this year) - Illinois, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Rutgers, Indiana, Syracuse. 2) As for the game this week, I predict one of two outcomes. I think we either run these guys off Fitton and have the game in hand by early 4th quarter by 3 scores OR this game comes down to a final possession. For some reason, I don't see a casual, moderately stressful game where HC wins by 9-16. I think we either feel really good and see some reserve seniors playing by mid to late 4th Q or we are collectively holding our breath in the final 2 minutes. I hope for the sake of my blood pressure it's the former.
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Post by hc69 on Nov 15, 2023 20:40:21 GMT -5
I would bet that 10 years out, most every guy who chooses to leave HC next year for another year elsewhere will second guess their decision. I don't see any of them being impact players at top 25 FBS teams. And that's what it takes to get noticed much more than they are now. Stay at HC and continue to make memories at Fitton. Some of our players who are eligible for a 5th year will transfer. Not to improve their NFL chances because they're not that level. But if you're a serious student, the transfer portal gives you the opportunity to get a year of grad school paid for. Why stay and get a second bachelor's degree when you have the chance to go to a good grad school for free?
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Post by hchoops on Nov 15, 2023 20:49:11 GMT -5
There are so many factors I don't want to speculate. I like LS's analysis. Some factors could include the result of our season, who else is coming back next year, will they start at an FBS program, is it G5 or P5, etc. For Sluka the NFL route might also include who would take him as a QB. Ultimately which of the 3 options LS presented (which is spot on I think) would result in the best future at the NFL level. I think Sluka's best bet is to be a QB1 next year at an FBS school. Currently he's in the 60-65 range at QB for the 2024 draft class. A great season at a bigger school where he continues to develop his passing game, and who knows, maybe he's in the Top 20 for 2025. Too early for him to switch positions. The NFL comparison I would make for him would be Chris Streveler. Run-first back up QB who came out of South Dakota and set a bunch of FCS rushing records for a QB. He starred in the CFL and was signed by the Arizona Cardinals as a backup in 2020. He was also the 3rd QB on the Jets last year, behind Zach Wilson and Joe Flacco. Steveler is currently a FA but worked out this week for the 49ers. Not too glamorous but being in the league is being in the league. Maybe I'm selling Sluka short on the Steveler comparison and he turns out to be the next Brock Purdy. Who knows?! Everyone always talks about athletic QBs switching positions to stick in the NFL but I can't think of a ton of examples where it actually worked out. The best example I can think of is Terrelle Pryor. And the two other examples, ironically were both QBs who came out of Kent State -- Josh Cribbs and Julian Edelman. So maybe Matt should head to Kent next year? Jack Lentz, HC ‘67 Denver Broncos (AFL) safety
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