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Post by drjack on Dec 7, 2023 14:25:02 GMT -5
Shouldn't you be at a playground terrorizing small children or something
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Post by hc1998 on Dec 7, 2023 14:27:23 GMT -5
During the extension negotiations, Coach Chesney was coming off a 12-1 season and had the leverage. Hoping for the biggest buyout possible and wondering if the facts will soon be public as JMU is a State school. If there was no buyout, then heads need to roll. That would be absolutely ridiculous. Or perhaps Chesney would have walked last year...we aren't privy to the negotiations and its unfair to speculate what went down in signing the extension...perhaps there were enough feelers out for Chesney last year, but he wanted to stay and try to get a natty with these guys and some more money, without a buyout, convinced him to turn his phone off for a season. In all likelihood there is some degree of a buyout in there...maybe the funds could come on top of a fee to go play at JMU, that could be a fun game.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Dec 7, 2023 14:28:19 GMT -5
Who cares what JMU will pay HC. If it's $10M, we still need to A) get a good coach in here to keep the momentum going, and B) keep the existing players we need to, and C) go out and get more/better players each year moving forward. A affects B and C, but I'm not sure money impacts anything except for POSSIBLY (A) in the very short term.
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Post by hc1996 on Dec 7, 2023 14:33:34 GMT -5
Who cares what JMU will pay HC. If it's $10M, we still need to A) get a good coach in here to keep the momentum going, and B) keep the existing players we need to, and C) go out and get more/better players each year moving forward. A affects B and C, but I'm not sure money impacts anything except for POSSIBLY (A) in the very short term. Could the buyout money be used to supplement the salary of the new guy?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 7, 2023 14:40:22 GMT -5
Wasn't that right after you predicted that some snow would fall in Massachusetts over the Winter? You're a regular Nostradamus
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 7, 2023 14:41:36 GMT -5
Who cares what JMU will pay HC. If it's $10M, we still need to A) get a good coach in here to keep the momentum going, and B) keep the existing players we need to, and C) go out and get more/better players each year moving forward. A affects B and C, but I'm not sure money impacts anything except for POSSIBLY (A) in the very short term. Could the buyout money be used to supplement the salary of the new guy? All revenue is general revenue......
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Post by mm67 on Dec 7, 2023 14:47:00 GMT -5
Congratulations to Coach Chesney and many thanks for the remarkable job he did with the football program. He exceeded expectations and set an awfully high bar for the next person in the position. Speaking of which, to those of you who are already hand-wringing about what may or may not have been done regarding finding his replacement, please take a deep breath, maybe even step back from the keyboard, and count to 20. Just my experience and common sense tell me that ADKH has a short list already created of potential candidate targets if and when this day came. He's had it at least for weeks since the Syracuse rumors started. It's entirely possible (likely?) he had it before. It's relatively common practice to have an evolving watch list of sorts in the event your higher profile jobs in the department become available. If you're an AD at the FCS level, it's part of life. You have to be prepared for this day to come, and if it does in this way it's because your coach helped bring immense success to the program. Considering the alternatives, this is the best outcome we could've hoped for outside of a lifetime contract for Coach and well... that's just not how the world works, even if many of us wish that was the case. Those types of cases are the extreme exception, not the rule, so while we're at it, any of you who are somehow begrudging Coach Chesney right now... you're making this about yourself and your own feelings and not about him, his family, his financial future, what he did for HC and the big opportunity that awaits him at JMU. I know it's difficult to put down the purple glasses sometimes but here it's required, at least inasmuch as the way we bid Coach farewell. We should demonstrate the same level of class to him in his departure as he demonstrated to the College in his last six years of pouring his heart and soul into the program. The assumption that ADKH wasn't somehow ready for this is presumptuous. The "national search" language is part of every one of these press releases. I wouldn't get tied up in knots about that at all. It's boilerplate for these types of statements. Thank you. You expressed my thoughts better than I ever could have done. Thank you for a wonderful, wise post.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 7, 2023 14:48:05 GMT -5
Another thing that really bothers me about anyone thinking Chesney did HC dirty here (which, I don't think most are), he spent his 20s and 30s making NOTHING -- Johns Hopkins assistant, Salve head coach, and Assumption head coach. MAYBE he was low six figures at Assumption? We have to remember that most assistant and head football coaches outside of FBS and higher-level FCS are making salaries that a BDR fresh out of college makes. I don't blame him one bit for cashing in. He's got three young kids. The more I think about it, the more happy I am for him. If he is in the same home he bought when he coached AC (excuse please, AU), he's going to cash in pretty big time on the equity from that. He's going to a much less expensive area, good for him. Of course, if he did end up at Boston College, the housing gods will get even with him.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 7, 2023 14:59:56 GMT -5
Congratulations to James Madison U on hiring a wonderful new coach. No doubt he will add lot of excitement & success to the program. Best wishes to the JMU Dukes for continued great success with the great Coach Chesney.
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Post by hcmawfawo on Dec 7, 2023 15:04:35 GMT -5
FHCBC has put more than his fair share of time into New England football. Can’t imagine he would have any interest in Chestnut Hill. He has a terrific opportunity with JMU — congrats again and best wishes. Very excited to see all involved with HC sustain and build for the future. The best is yet to come.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 7, 2023 15:13:56 GMT -5
Assume the plane landed by now. "The Sheriff Is Near"! (with apologies to Mel Brooks).
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Dec 7, 2023 15:34:32 GMT -5
My dentist played football at JMU; just sent him a congratulatory message.
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 7, 2023 16:01:25 GMT -5
Assume the plane landed by now. "The Sheriff Is Near"! (with apologies to Mel Brooks). I don't think the plane ever left Lynchburg, and there are no flights scheduled from Worcester to Shenandoah Valley Regional today. I think I saw something about BC being introduced at JMU tomorrow.. Weather may have been a factor today.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 7, 2023 16:09:34 GMT -5
Fixed it for you, Boston Globe!
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Post by JRGNYR on Dec 7, 2023 16:12:32 GMT -5
Congratulations to Coach Chesney and many thanks for the remarkable job he did with the football program. He exceeded expectations and set an awfully high bar for the next person in the position. Speaking of which, to those of you who are already hand-wringing about what may or may not have been done regarding finding his replacement, please take a deep breath, maybe even step back from the keyboard, and count to 20. Just my experience and common sense tell me that ADKH has a short list already created of potential candidate targets if and when this day came. He's had it at least for weeks since the Syracuse rumors started. It's entirely possible (likely?) he had it before. It's relatively common practice to have an evolving watch list of sorts in the event your higher profile jobs in the department become available. If you're an AD at the FCS level, it's part of life. You have to be prepared for this day to come, and if it does in this way it's because your coach helped bring immense success to the program. Considering the alternatives, this is the best outcome we could've hoped for outside of a lifetime contract for Coach and well... that's just not how the world works, even if many of us wish that was the case. Those types of cases are the extreme exception, not the rule, so while we're at it, any of you who are somehow begrudging Coach Chesney right now... you're making this about yourself and your own feelings and not about him, his family, his financial future, what he did for HC and the big opportunity that awaits him at JMU. I know it's difficult to put down the purple glasses sometimes but here it's required, at least inasmuch as the way we bid Coach farewell. We should demonstrate the same level of class to him in his departure as he demonstrated to the College in his last six years of pouring his heart and soul into the program. The assumption that ADKH wasn't somehow ready for this is presumptuous. The "national search" language is part of every one of these press releases. I wouldn't get tied up in knots about that at all. It's boilerplate for these types of statements. Thank you. You expressed my thoughts better than I ever could have done. Thank you for a wonderful, wise post. I get frustrated here and there and it all tends to pour out of me at once, sometimes more eloquently than others.
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Post by hcnj on Dec 7, 2023 16:37:51 GMT -5
I really don't understand why the AD is once again the presumed bad guy at HC. Every aspect of a contract is negotiated with give this for that. IF there's no buyout it's not because our AD and lawyers and ath council and BOT said at the end that let's not put in the usual buyout clause because it shows how nice we are. Part of being the AD is this stuff, fans like to sympathize with great players and coaches and the "suits" are just fools. Unsuccessful coaches are also his fault and by extension the reasons for not great players, obviously can't coach, recruit, I knew it when I saw his name was even mentioned. Many of us know businesses hire consultants for two reasons, one is truly to help, other times to reinforce a preference executed by parameters and discussions with the search firm that wants to get paid a lot. Don't presume that the the AD, council, etc don't have work underway or possibly a preferred candidate. Time will tell but geez, bad news and some sour on the coach and more go for the low hanging people who are easier targets, even the hiring school might be a bunch of no-good-niks.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 7, 2023 18:35:06 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 7, 2023 18:36:51 GMT -5
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Post by efg72 on Dec 7, 2023 18:43:40 GMT -5
You can say he was great, and he was very good for Holy Cross, but if we lose these kids he will have made everybody feel good for a few years but sent the program spiraling South. Damill is a great kid and a beast- he is all we want as a scholar athlete at Holy Cross
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 7, 2023 18:50:02 GMT -5
You can say he was great, and he was very good for Holy Cross, but if we lose these kids he will have made everybody feel good for a few years but sent the program spiraling South. Damill is a great kid and a beast- he is all we want as a scholar athlete at Holy Cross If Chesney truly transformed and elevated the program into a legitimate top 20 FCS program (which I think he did), then we should be able to weather the storm of a handful of kids decommitting. Yes, it hurts, but it's not something we should not be able to overcome. "Sent the program spiraling South" as a result of some decommits is dramatic, IMO.
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Post by southernsader on Dec 7, 2023 19:00:35 GMT -5
More than dramatic - totally unwarranted. - decommitments are collateral damage to a coaching change - goes with the territory - can't blame them on the coach leaving for a better opportunity or expect that coach to stay in perpetuity to avoid decommitments.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 7, 2023 19:00:52 GMT -5
And you are welcome to your opinion, and I respect it, but also disagree.
It is not about the person who we all wish was still here, but about the impact of the decision
The freshmen class is talented, but our sophomore and junior classes fell well short of expectations. If we lose 4-8 of the early commits it will be a big negative, coupled with losing a couple of key assistants, and moves to the portal.
We all think the world of and are grateful for what Chesney did. But years of good work can be pushed aside with one hurtful decision
God Bless
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Post by hcpride on Dec 7, 2023 19:21:30 GMT -5
More than dramatic - totally unwarranted. - decommitments are collateral damage to a coaching change - goes with the territory - can't blame them on the coach leaving for a better opportunity or expect that coach to stay in perpetuity to avoid decommitments. Yes, I posted the article earlier that said 6 have decomiitted from JMU (as of Wednesday night) in the wake of Cignetti's departure. And 12 players from JMU are now in the portal. It just goes with the territory at this point. When somebody popular like Chesney departs the expectation ought to be that we are going to lose some commits.
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Post by 78purple on Dec 7, 2023 19:51:16 GMT -5
Fixed it for you, Boston Globe! Brutal...I guess editing is a lost art
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 7, 2023 20:19:18 GMT -5
Going out on a limb I predict more decomits and transfers from JMU than from HC.
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