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Post by drjack on Dec 7, 2023 8:37:19 GMT -5
With the flight being booked, if we did have the option to retain him, that ship has very likely sailed.
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 7, 2023 8:38:01 GMT -5
I have to disagree - this is simply the world of college athletics - the responsibility is clearly on the shoulders of ADKH to keep the momentum (that Chesney built) going with the right hire Congrats to BC on moving his career on this positive trajectory I certainly understand that this is the way things work, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I've chatted with BC numerous times in his too-short tenure here, and I really liked him - as a person and as as the leader of our program. I'm grateful for what he's done for the players (and the School) - on and off the football field, but this move feels completely contra to what he's been preaching since he got here. No one expected that he would retire from Holy Cross, but I thought he'd be loyal to his commitment for longer than six seasons. Wondering if he'll stop on his way to the airport to drop off his HC apparel at Goodwill.
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 7, 2023 8:39:02 GMT -5
Take a look at the JMU Sports Message Board.
I think the site may have crashed.
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Post by hc1996 on Dec 7, 2023 8:43:54 GMT -5
So, since we are all in speculation mode and borderline crazy at this point, assuming he jumps ship today for JMU, does he then ditch JMU when the Boston College job opens up inevitably in a year or two?
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Post by drjack on Dec 7, 2023 8:49:55 GMT -5
So, since we are all in speculation mode and borderline crazy at this point, assuming he jumps ship today for JMU, does he then ditch JMU when the Boston College job opens up inevitably in a year or two? If BC is willing/able to pay enough (they essentially couldn't afford Hafley's buyout the last couple years), I'd bet he's gone as soon as they offer. It'll be BC or some other P5, but I don't think he's ready to stop climbing the ladder now.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 7, 2023 8:52:03 GMT -5
What people are saying is accurate, however recruiting has a calendar/signing dates that are critical to us bringing in the talented scholar athletes we want to see in purple.
If we lose these two weekends and say four to six players decommit, another ten hit the portal, and four or five assistants head south, that will take the program about four years to recover. If Holy Cross truly is a stepping stone we will see the movie again in five years. Remember the current sophomore and junior classes aren’t nearly as talented as the freshmen class.
So of course it is a business, Chesney needs to do what is best for his career and family, we truly appreciate the fact that he made Holy Cross relevant in the world of the FCS, and we wish him success and happiness in life as he leaves.
I am disappointed, however, with the way he sprinted away from Holy Cross over the last three weeks. Syracuse was a aspirational opportunity and exciting for him, and we all knew it was coming at some point. But to immediately jump into another interview with JMU during this cycle, just displayed his desperation to leave. We want people that want Holy Cross and the team and community deserve nothing less.
JMU is getting a fine coach, Kit will address the vacancy, and the young men on the Holy Cross roster will come together and play with pride.
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Post by gks on Dec 7, 2023 8:58:27 GMT -5
I have to disagree - this is simply the world of college athletics - the responsibility is clearly on the shoulders of ADKH to keep the momentum (that Chesney built) going with the right hire Congrats to BC on moving his career on this positive trajectory I certainly understand that this is the way things work, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I've chatted with BC numerous times in his too-short tenure here, and I really liked him - as a person and as as the leader of our program. I'm grateful for what he's done for the players (and the School) - on and off the football field, but this move feels completely contra to what he's been preaching since he got here. No one expected that he would retire from Holy Cross, but I thought he'd be loyal to his commitment for longer than six seasons. Wondering if he'll stop on his way to the airport to drop off his HC apparel at Goodwill. Don't understand the bitterness. It's like no one on this board has ever changed jobs for a better opportunity. Was there the same feeling towards Mark Duffner when he left? Every HC alum/fan/follower should be thanking Coach Chesney for everything has done. He took a dead program and most importantly made it relevant in the FCS and the Worcester Area. He made the HC job a desirable one. He made HC a desirable spot for high level recruits. Best of luck to Coach if and when he leaves. He owes HC nothing.
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Post by hc1996 on Dec 7, 2023 9:00:03 GMT -5
I certainly understand that this is the way things work, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I've chatted with BC numerous times in his too-short tenure here, and I really liked him - as a person and as as the leader of our program. I'm grateful for what he's done for the players (and the School) - on and off the football field, but this move feels completely contra to what he's been preaching since he got here. No one expected that he would retire from Holy Cross, but I thought he'd be loyal to his commitment for longer than six seasons. Wondering if he'll stop on his way to the airport to drop off his HC apparel at Goodwill. Don't understand the bitterness. It's like no one on this board has ever changed jobs for a better opportunity. Was there the same feeling towards Mark Duffner when he left? Every HC alum/fan/follower should be thanking Coach Chesney for everything has done. He took a dead program and most importantly made it relevant in the FCS and the Worcester Area. He made the HC job a desirable one. He made HC a desirable spot for high level recruits. Best of luck to Coach if and when he leaves. He owes HC nothing. Duffner had to leave. The school made a very poor decision to pull scholarships. That said, perhaps the school has made some promises to Ches and simply hasn't delivered. We'll never know....
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 7, 2023 9:04:50 GMT -5
Ask yourself the question: If another company was offering to double (or triple) your salary, would you leave your current job?
There should be absolutely zero resentment held towards Chesney.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 7, 2023 9:05:33 GMT -5
Gun to my head, I don't think ADKH is here past 2024. He's likely following (F)HCBC to JMU in my mind. I feel like the smoke for that move is already building as well. Channeling my inner Foley, what's he done at Holy Cross that's so great? Most programs still losing. The two that did well last year did it with coaches that preceded him. JMU and HC jobs are apples and oranges, by the way. Then again, I thought less of Blossom.
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Post by gks on Dec 7, 2023 9:05:54 GMT -5
Don't understand the bitterness. It's like no one on this board has ever changed jobs for a better opportunity. Was there the same feeling towards Mark Duffner when he left? Every HC alum/fan/follower should be thanking Coach Chesney for everything has done. He took a dead program and most importantly made it relevant in the FCS and the Worcester Area. He made the HC job a desirable one. He made HC a desirable spot for high level recruits. Best of luck to Coach if and when he leaves. He owes HC nothing. Duffner had to leave. The school made a very poor decision to pull scholarships. That said, perhaps the school has made some promises to Ches and simply hasn't delivered. We'll never know.... No one has to leave. Duffner could have stayed. Wasn't forced out. Pretty sure Duff could have stayed for life if he wanted to. And yes I know the state of the program at that time was in flux. Most coaches want to move on to bigger and better things. Now that doesn't always work out so we'll see. This is a good thing for HC football. Now it's up to the school to keep it going.
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 7, 2023 9:06:23 GMT -5
I know it’s not that important but do we know if JMU owes HC a check since they’ve hired our coach before his contract expired here?
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Post by hc1996 on Dec 7, 2023 9:09:26 GMT -5
Ask yourself the question: If another company was offering to double (or triple) your salary, would you leave your current job? There should be absolutely zero resentment held towards Chesney. I would not. I'm currently in a role where I feel I can "have it all". I believe I could make more money elsewhere, but I've got a really good thing going on right now.
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Post by alum on Dec 7, 2023 9:09:26 GMT -5
That about seals it in my mind. Extremely disappointed, and very tired of HC being used as a prom-date placeholder until a prettier girl comes along. If this comes to fruition, I’m done. If he's gone, it's about money alone. Winning is winning, I don't care where you are. If he got paid a million bucks at Assumption he'd still be there. I honestly believe HC has a decision to retain him. I'm sure we could pay him significantly more and it wouldn't make a lick of difference in the HC year end statements. I don't know if I agree. The last guy at JMU was making about a half of a million. Even if BC gets $700,000 while that's great, it is not crazy money. If it was all about money, I think that he would hang around and hope to get the job in Chestnut Hill in a year for $2 million or more. I think that it is about the opportunity. We will know what the JMU job pays in short order as it is a public institution. EDIT: Not that I would begrudge him this opportunity even if it was all about the money.
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 7, 2023 9:09:27 GMT -5
Don't cry because it is over...
If true, as it appears to be, thanks to FHC BC. He will be leaving us in better condition than he found us. HC Football is a special family, and he guided that family well.
He has my gratitude and I will root for his continued success.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 7, 2023 9:13:16 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be something if the jet were carrying Kit Hughes to a new job at JMU but that Bob Chesney was staying at HC......
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 7, 2023 9:19:32 GMT -5
I have to disagree - this is simply the world of college athletics - the responsibility is clearly on the shoulders of ADKH to keep the momentum (that Chesney built) going with the right hire Congrats to BC on moving his career on this positive trajectory I certainly understand that this is the way things work, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I've chatted with BC numerous times in his too-short tenure here, and I really liked him - as a person and as as the leader of our program. I'm grateful for what he's done for the players (and the School) - on and off the football field, but this move feels completely contra to what he's been preaching since he got here. No one expected that he would retire from Holy Cross, but I thought he'd be loyal to his commitment for longer than six seasons. Wondering if he'll stop on his way to the airport to drop off his HC apparel at Goodwill. How did you think that? Holy Cross had been his longest stop in his coaching career.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 7, 2023 9:20:43 GMT -5
I will only have some resentment if he goes, and then poaches (maybe not the right word) some of HC's current (non senior) players. To me, that would cheapen his "you can have it all at HC" mantra a bit in my eyes. Otherwise, I wish him the best of luck.
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Post by Ray on Dec 7, 2023 9:21:09 GMT -5
A lot more twitter chatter about Chesney/JMU than there was yesterday. It's no longer just Mr. Butts...
Count me among the "best wishes to Chesney, absolutely nothing bad to say about his run here, including how it ended" crowd. We need to lose more coaches to higher levels and fewer to terminations. This is the nature of the pond we swim in (and I don't mean the PL).
On another topic.... I'd be STUNNED if ADKH left for JMU. Sure, it's just words, but he's only been here two years. What has he accomplished here to build his resume? And what about all the smoke about wanting to move his young family back to New England? I thought PVR really prioritized finding an AD who would be here for longer than Pine/Blossom. Maybe ADKH just played us, but I'd be really disappointed if KH left anytime soon.
Speaking of ADKH, I don't think it's crazy to suggest that HC can have a press conference naming our new coach tomorrow. This can't take multiple weeks the way the Nelson/Paulsen transition did. We need a similar quality hire, just a lot more quickly.
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Post by drjack on Dec 7, 2023 9:25:30 GMT -5
For the record, the Seymour Butts post was a troll tweet. There have been plenty of other legitimate sources reporting on this search and the smoke was very clearly there since he interviewed, but for some reason everyone wanted to latch onto the one non serious tweet.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 7, 2023 9:27:54 GMT -5
I understand that purple blood runs deep, but I am shocked that people are surprised that Chesney would be interested in the job, and even more shocked that some think he would have tuned it down.
The way they’re zipping these jets around for interviews, pickups, etc. should tell you everything you need to know about their investment into the program. He’s not going to be haggling with admissions about whether he can take on a stud recruit with a 2.9 GPA, and he’s getting the keys to a top 25 team where the previous coach left for promotion (as opposed to a sh*t program like Syracuse or a MAC school where the coach was fired). He is going to have a legitimate shot to be coaching in the College Football Playoffs in the next couple years as the highest ranked non-Power 5 team.
This is exactly what we should be hoping for at HC (well, almost exactly - would have been nice if he actually made real noise in the NCAA tournament beyond just beating northeast teams). A coach is successful and moves on to a bigger job, then we keep building off the foundation.
Hire Chris Smith tonight, and give him and Anthony Dimichele an unlimited budget to go see any recruit they need to see over the next 10 days. If Kit Hughes was wise, we should be getting buyout $$$ back from James Madison, and those fund can be used to offset any recruiting costs (ideally allowing more efficient private travel).
I see three alternatives to this: 1) Abandon the pL’s handcuffs (AI, redshirting, etc.) and invest significantly in the program to become a true 1-AA power 2) Hire someone with true ties to HC who may potentially turn down better opportunities (e.g. Chris Smith) 3) Be like our lifeless basketball program that is a coaching graveyard.
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Post by Ray on Dec 7, 2023 9:30:36 GMT -5
For the record, the Seymour Butts post was a troll tweet. There have been plenty of other legitimate sources reporting on this search and the smoke was very clearly there since he interviewed, but for some reason everyone wanted to latch onto the one non serious tweet. I understand that, but there were no posts other than the troll saying "done, it's Chesney" until today.
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Post by gks on Dec 7, 2023 9:31:40 GMT -5
I will only have some resentment if he goes, and then poaches (maybe not the right word) some of HC's current (non senior) players. To me, that would cheapen his "you can have it all at HC" mantra a bit in my eyes. Otherwise, I wish him the best of luck. Every coach says this about every college in the United States. Probably said you can have it all at Salve and Assumption. He will say you can have it all at JMU as well.
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Post by Ray on Dec 7, 2023 9:35:05 GMT -5
I understand that purple blood runs deep, but I am shocked that people are surprised that Chesney would be interested in the job, and even more shocked that some think he would have tuned it down. The way they’re zipping these jets around for interviews, pickups, etc. should tell you everything you need to know about their investment into the program. He’s not going to be haggling with admissions about whether he can take on a stud recruit with a 2.9 GPA, and he’s getting the keys to a top 25 team where the previous coach left for promotion (as opposed to a sh*t program like Syracuse or a MAC school where the coach was fired). He is going to have a legitimate shot to be coaching in the College Football Playoffs in the next couple years as the highest ranked non-Power 5 team. This is exactly what we should be hoping for at HC (well, almost exactly - would have been nice if he actually made real noise in the NCAA tournament beyond just beating northeast teams). A coach is successful and moves on to a bigger job, then we keep building off the foundation. Hire Chris Smith tonight, and give him and Anthony Dimichele an unlimited budget to go see any recruit they need to see over the next 10 days. If Kit Hughes was wise, we should be getting buyout $$$ back from James Madison, and those fund can be used to offset any recruiting costs (ideally allowing more efficient private travel). I see three alternatives to this: 1) Abandon the pL’s handcuffs (AI, redshirting, etc.) and invest significantly in the program to become a true 1-AA power 2) Hire someone with true ties to HC who may potentially turn down better opportunities (e.g. Chris Smith) 3) Be like our lifeless basketball program that is a coaching graveyard.
I don't often (fully) agree with BBC, but this post is spot-on. Agree with every character of it.
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Post by hc17 on Dec 7, 2023 9:36:02 GMT -5
First thought, if you go external, you have conversations with Reno (Yale) & Surace (Princeton). Assuming they say no, you talk to Decker. Hard to bet against Caruso's career, but is he geographical fit?
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