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Post by hcpride on Nov 19, 2023 17:09:18 GMT -5
Chesney shared that mother told him to find happiness where he is at in the present (paraphrasing) so there is no indication he has a single minded desire to coach at the highest level. Wouldn't blame him if he left for a better paying job with a higher profile and ceiling, but nobody has articulated the value of Holy Cross better than Coach Chesbey when he says "You can have it all at Holy Cross." You can't not win the league and make the FCS playoffs. That is generally true of the PL. And certainly true of Holy Cross.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 19, 2023 17:28:24 GMT -5
Very hazardous going into the FBS cesspool with ‘bidding’ for recruits with NIL dollars - things have really changed in the last three years It's coming to FCS and even the PL. Probably starts at Fordham, Colgate to follow. Would Bill Clinton host a fundraiser for Hoya Football?
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 19, 2023 17:29:14 GMT -5
It was certainly true this year but not every year. If he had beaten Army but still lost to Lafayette, we probably would have gotten in. If we had beaten both Army BC and West Point, we most certainly would have gotten in even with a loss to Laffy. You do not have to win the league championship to get in if you have the schedules we've had of late but do a better job winning. Of course, beating FBS teams likely mean you'd win the league outright anyway. Edit: ya got me, pride!
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 19, 2023 17:30:46 GMT -5
You can't not win the league and make the FCS playoffs. That is generally true of the PL. And certainly true of Holy Cross. If we beat BC or Army or Harvard it's reasonable to think we could have moved from last four out to last four in. Beat all three and we'd be 10-1 with two FBS wins and probably a seed...all without winning the auto bid.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 19, 2023 17:38:43 GMT -5
It was certainly true this year but not every year. If he had beaten Army but still lost to Lafayette, we probably would have gotten in. If we had beaten both Army and West Point, we most certainly would have gotten in even with a loss to Laffy. You do not have to win the league championship to get in if you have the schedules we've had of late but do a better job winning. Of course, beating FBS teams likely mean you'd win the league outright anyway. That would be something. I know what you mean. Plenty of hypotheticals out there. As a general rule, 2nd place PL teams aren't getting in. We finished in second place...
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Post by efg72 on Nov 19, 2023 17:45:22 GMT -5
That is generally true of the PL. And certainly true of Holy Cross. If we beat BC or Army or Harvard it's reasonable to think we could have moved from last four out to last four in. Beat all three and we'd be 10-1 with two FBS wins and probably a seed...all without winning the auto bid. Yes but we didnt To do so would have been an exceptional year not one that happens easily or frequently Lacking that the PL is a one bid league until we prove to the NCAA and the FCS the current weighting for teams 3-6 in the Valley and Sky are built on a myth by those in charge
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Post by Ignutz on Nov 19, 2023 18:10:12 GMT -5
A generalization and certainly not always the case But The higher the conference and level of play, the more you become a manager of a program and baby sitter of the key players and problem children on the team. You are not coaching as much and performing a CEO type of role- externally engaged and delegating daily football operations to an assistant head coach Money is great but not to sure that is what Chesney is about, and the game would lose a terrific leader of men Chesney strikes me as being more like an IL coach. Long tenure. Has smart kids who stay with a program for four years generally. Players who aren't dreaming of NFL careers. Or bigger NILs. He is good friends with Stiegelmeier, and based on an interview with them both, they share a similar philosophy and approach to coaching. gojacks.com/staff-directory/john-stiegelmeier/34I’ve used Stiegelmeier as an example of what I hope Chesney’s attitude might be. I can’t imagine that Stieg didn’t have a lot of big programs after him for the past 10-20 years.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 19, 2023 18:33:36 GMT -5
If we beat BC or Army or Harvard it's reasonable to think we could have moved from last four out to last four in. Beat all three and we'd be 10-1 with two FBS wins and probably a seed...all without winning the auto bid. Yes but we didnt To do so would have been an exceptional year not one that happens easily or frequently Lacking that the PL is a one bid league until we prove to the NCAA and the FCS the current weighting for teams 3-6 in the Valley and Sky are built on a myth by those in charge efg, I am sure you watched both the BC and Army games, I was at both and frankly expected us to win both pre-season and once the season started. Our team was/is outstanding and in both cases the better team did not win. What made our offense and defense engines run were Sluka and Dobbs. Take either or both away and we were not as efficient. Harvard?! No real excuse for that game. It was going to be an exceptional year. Will the PL ever be on the level of those other leagues? Nope. But that does not preclude a second team from getting an at-large bid. Your last comment is spot on.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 19, 2023 18:57:24 GMT -5
Even though I know how unilkely a jump from FCS to P5 would be, since first hearing about Syracuse having BC on their list of coaching candidates I have been afraid to look at anything on this thread. I pray BC remains a leader of the Crusaders and that a number of 5th year players remain with him. Hopefully he likes Purple better than Green (or Orange) when it comes to school colors. PS: Just on general principles please give him and his assistants a raise.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 19, 2023 19:01:47 GMT -5
If we beat BC or Army or Harvard it's reasonable to think we could have moved from last four out to last four in. Beat all three and we'd be 10-1 with two FBS wins and probably a seed...all without winning the auto bid. Yes but we didnt To do so would have been an exceptional year not one that happens easily or frequently Lacking that the PL is a one bid league until we prove to the NCAA and the FCS the current weighting for teams 3-6 in the Valley and Sky are built on a myth by those in charge Laffy can help by doing some damage in the tournament this year like HC did last year.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 19, 2023 19:11:14 GMT -5
With the early signing day three weeks away and with players entering the portal soon head coaching positions will be filled very quickly
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Post by timholycross on Nov 19, 2023 19:18:15 GMT -5
He wants to coach at the highest level. People can believe that he wants to coach the Ivies or stay at HC forever and are entitled to their opinions. Just do a Twitter/X search of Bob Chesney right now. He's all over Syracuse rumors and many Orange prognosticators say he should be the coach. Orange prognosticators are not doing the hiring. Look at from SU's perspective. They hired a guy from a lower level program and it didn't work out (Dino had one great year at E Illinois and one great year at Bowling Green). Do they go the same route; in fact, hire someone who's not coached in FBS at all, never mind Power 5 or even AAC? Just sayin. I concede he'd take the job if offered.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 19, 2023 19:19:39 GMT -5
I hope you are right and that things stabilize for HC and for BC quickly.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 19, 2023 19:26:24 GMT -5
Even though I know how unilkely a jump from FCS to P5 would be, since first hearing about Syracuse having BC on their list of coaching candidates I have been afraid to look at anything on this thread. I pray BC remains a leader of the Crusaders and that a number of 5th year players remain with him. Hopefully he likes Purple better than Green when it comes to school colors. PS: Just on general principles please give him and his assistants a raise. The weather didn't cooperate for great Gate revenue like last year from which to hand out raises.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 19, 2023 19:34:57 GMT -5
Well they did get a good payout from those 2 FBS games.
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 19, 2023 19:42:57 GMT -5
Even though I know how unilkely a jump from FCS to P5 would be, since first hearing about Syracuse having BC on their list of coaching candidates I have been afraid to look at anything on this thread. I pray BC remains a leader of the Crusaders and that a number of 5th year players remain with him. Hopefully he likes Purple better than Green when it comes to school colors. PS: Just on general principles please give him and his assistants a raise. The weather didn't cooperate for great Gate revenue like last year from which to hand out raises. loved watching the Beaver faithful sticking it out in an absolute monsoon in Corvalis last night for their ranked matchup vs Washington. Wish we didn't have so many fair weather fans. Look at Montana drawing 25k in rain, sleet, and snow.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 20, 2023 14:56:27 GMT -5
Have no fear, if Chesney leaves, they should be able to attract someone pretty good.
Because of various factors (dropping scholarships, lack of administrative support, funding, long period of losing), you might have to go pretty far back to say that.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 20, 2023 14:58:30 GMT -5
Well they did get a good payout from those 2 FBS games. I wouldn't trade coming out of the tunnel at Alumni and seeing a sea of purple sitting in the end zone going crazy for anything....except actually beating those BC SOBs.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 20, 2023 16:41:35 GMT -5
It was certainly true this year but not every year. If he had beaten Army but still lost to Lafayette, we probably would have gotten in. If we had beaten both Army and West Point, we most certainly would have gotten in even with a loss to Laffy. You do not have to win the league championship to get in if you have the schedules we've had of late but do a better job winning. Of course, beating FBS teams likely mean you'd win the league outright anyway. That would be something. I know what you mean. Plenty of hypotheticals out there. As a general rule, 2nd place PL teams aren't getting in. We finished in second place... To clarify...HC finished tied for first - co-champions, not in second place. Place is different from the tie break for the auto-bid. PS: Fordham did finish in second place last year and did get an invite.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 20, 2023 18:11:43 GMT -5
Yeah, not second place - co-champions. I saw the trophy.😊
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 20, 2023 18:27:42 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Nov 20, 2023 19:15:57 GMT -5
That would be something. I know what you mean. Plenty of hypotheticals out there. As a general rule, 2nd place PL teams aren't getting in. We finished in second place... To clarify...HC finished tied for first - co-champions, not in second place. Place is different from the tie break for the auto-bid. PS: Fordham did finish in second place last year and did get an invite. That's correct. We were behind Lafayette in terms of the PL auto-bid but were PL co-champions. And you are certainly correct that Fordham was an exception to that general rule. (General rules have exceptions.)
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Post by lou on Nov 22, 2023 8:38:57 GMT -5
Cornell coach let go
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Post by Chu Chu on Nov 22, 2023 10:52:24 GMT -5
Chesney shared that mother told him to find happiness where he is at in the present (paraphrasing) so there is no indication he has a single minded desire to coach at the highest level. Wouldn't blame him if he left for a better paying job with a higher profile and ceiling, but nobody has articulated the value of Holy Cross better than Coach Chesbey when he says "You can have it all at Holy Cross." You can't not win the league and make the FCS playoffs. This is demonstrably not true. Both Fordham and Holy Cross were in last year!
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Post by hc1996 on Nov 22, 2023 11:06:09 GMT -5
We need to keep rooting for our PL peers. Let's hope Lafayette makes a run so everyone else starts valuing the PL more.
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