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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 6, 2017 16:45:24 GMT -5
I disagree with much of what you write. While I think the Torey Thomas comparisons (or whatever you want to call them) are absolutely laughable, and I'm still a little unsure of whether or not he has a true position, isn't Benzan the one who has come along the most by a pretty good margin? Can you name a successful team with a Center that is averaging 2.4 rebounds and 1.1 2FGs per game, and combining that with only 9 blocks in 16 games (i.e. not some type of defensive force that can't score)? No offense to Husek, and regardless of where he was as a frosh or soph or junior, having a Center that isn't productive inside the 3 point line is not good. Who on this board ever mentioned Benzan in the same class as Torey Thomas?
How about a team with a primary PG averaging 2.3 assists per game? Can that hider success as well?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 6, 2017 17:18:17 GMT -5
While I think the Torey Thomas comparisons (or whatever you want to call them) are absolutely laughable, and I'm still a little unsure of whether or not he has a true position, isn't Benzan the one who has come along the most by a pretty good margin? Can you name a successful team with a Center that is averaging 2.4 rebounds and 1.1 2FGs per game, and combining that with only 9 blocks in 16 games (i.e. not some type of defensive force that can't score)? No offense to Husek, and regardless of where he was as a frosh or soph or junior, having a Center that isn't productive inside the 3 point line is not good. Who on this board ever mentioned Benzan in the same class as Torey Thomas?
How about a team with a primary PG averaging 2.3 assists per game? Can that hider success as well?
In a post on some subject, I mentioned that I had come to like watching Pat Benzan, a very smart player, so much that he was "beginning to rival Torey Thomas as my favorite Crusader of the century". A poster interpreted that to mean that I felt PB was as good as TT. He must have missed his logic classes at HC. To further illustrate the distinction between "favorite" and "best", when I was young, Larry Siegfried was my "favorite" NBA basketball player, yet I never thought he was as good as John Havlicek, Jerry West, The Big O, Wilt, Bill, or any of the stars of that era. He was just a favorite, for some reason.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 6, 2017 17:56:25 GMT -5
While I think the Torey Thomas comparisons (or whatever you want to call them) are absolutely laughable, and I'm still a little unsure of whether or not he has a true position, isn't Benzan the one who has come along the most by a pretty good margin? Can you name a successful team with a Center that is averaging 2.4 rebounds and 1.1 2FGs per game, and combining that with only 9 blocks in 16 games (i.e. not some type of defensive force that can't score)? No offense to Husek, and regardless of where he was as a frosh or soph or junior, having a Center that isn't productive inside the 3 point line is not good. Who on this board ever mentioned Benzan in the same class as Torey Thomas?
How about a team with a primary PG averaging 2.3 assists per game? Can that hider success as well?
See KY's post. Some have been absolutely gushing over PB to the point where it is likely setting unrealistic expectations. Regarding AT's APG stat, you do realize that the PG doesn't dominate or possess the ball all that much in Carmody's half court offense, right?
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Post by ncaam on Jan 6, 2017 19:01:08 GMT -5
Love AT, love PB...next year it's Pat's team.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 6, 2017 19:40:12 GMT -5
Love AT, love PB... next year it's Pat's team.I hope so! But given Carmody's offense that takes almost 50% of its shots from 3, it is a bit scary to think about two of our presumed starters next year having taken a combined 16 3-pointers in 657 minutes this year. I guess we'll just have to cross that bridge when we get to it..
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Post by HC1843 on Jan 6, 2017 20:25:24 GMT -5
Love AT, love PB...next year it's Pat's team. And this year it is Malachi's.
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Post by HCFC45 on Jan 6, 2017 22:18:19 GMT -5
Love AT, love PB...next year it's Pat's team. Already discounted our recruit Caleb Green?
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 7, 2017 10:49:34 GMT -5
Love AT, love PB...next year it's Pat's team. Already discounted our recruit Caleb Green? The frosh will certainly contribute (in all likelihood), due to a lack of seniors next year. However, next year would be Pat's third. Experience counts...hopefully!
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Post by hcnation on Jan 7, 2017 22:56:53 GMT -5
Colgate coach postgame said that Holy Cross plays high risk high reward type zones and when they don't turn you over you get good shots . We all know that.
OOC opponents had 56 more turnovers equating to 4.31 more per game . PL opponents 20 more equating to 6.67 more per game. Some of that is due to our zone defenses and some due to fact that we do not turn it over on offense.
2PFG % OOC was 50.7 % for HC and 57.1 % for opponents. PL 39.2% HC and 51.3 % opponents.
By the way, offensive rebounding OOC -down 42 or down 3.23 per game ( thought we were worse). In PL we were even at 22 a piece as hopefully we will not give up on these boards against similar athletic type teams in PL where there is not much transition basketball.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 7, 2017 23:37:36 GMT -5
The 22 vs 22 on offensive rebounds is a bit misleading in that (A) HC typically takes more shots thanks to the turnover advantage and (B) HC often misses more shots than opponents. In three PL games HC missed 94 FG attempts to opponents 75 misses. Unfortunately we also missed 21 free throws to opponents 8
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Post by hcnation on Jan 8, 2017 6:46:30 GMT -5
The 22 vs 22 on offensive rebounds is a bit misleading in that (A) HC typically takes more shots thanks to the turnover advantage and (B) HC often misses more shots than opponents. In three PL games HC missed 94 FG attempts to opponents 75 misses. Unfortunately we also missed 21 free throws to opponents 8 Thanks , I should have gone the extra step as 23. 4 % of HC misses get offensive rebounded versus 29.3 % of opponents in PL play.
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