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Post by 78purple on Dec 11, 2023 23:06:08 GMT -5
68 of the 70 million will be deferred every year so the Dodgers can avoid the luxury tax hit - I think MLB should do something about that Clearly not good for the game......He'll be making more than 8 individual teams next year.....no other professional sports league would allow that.......( not sure about European soccer ). The commissioner needs to be the commissioner
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 12, 2023 8:00:00 GMT -5
I hope he is a good tipper.
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Dec 12, 2023 9:33:27 GMT -5
Post by WCHC Sports on Dec 12, 2023 9:33:27 GMT -5
68 of the 70 million will be deferred every year so the Dodgers can avoid the luxury tax hit - I think MLB should do something about that Clearly not good for the game......He'll be making more than 8 individual teams next year.....no other professional sports league would allow that.......( not sure about European soccer ). The commissioner needs to be the commissioner No, he's making about $2M next year (money-wise). For luxury tax calculation purposes, his salary (if my almost-photographic memory still serves me) is closer to $28M for the books. The deferred years have to count for something while he's on the roster/team. This means that the team will have an incredible amount of flexibility to pay current and future players and have Ohtani cost as much as a backup catcher. It also nearly cleaves in half the luxury tax penalty. Ohtani takes the classical financial risk of money later versus money now without interest. That, and theoretically, a meteor can strike the Dodgers and eliminate the franchise, or any other number of Acts of God that can prevent the franchise from following through with their commitment; the deferred payments do not begin until his new ten year agreement is up.
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Dec 12, 2023 12:01:52 GMT -5
Post by Tom on Dec 12, 2023 12:01:52 GMT -5
Will he get a Bobby Bonilla day?
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Dec 12, 2023 20:28:22 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 12, 2023 20:28:22 GMT -5
68 of the 70 million will be deferred every year so the Dodgers can avoid the luxury tax hit - I think MLB should do something about that Clearly not good for the game......He'll be making more than 8 individual teams next year.....no other professional sports league would allow that.......( not sure about European soccer ). The commissioner needs to be the commissioner It is in the CBA that MLB can't limit deferred pay for the players.
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Dec 12, 2023 20:40:34 GMT -5
Post by 78purple on Dec 12, 2023 20:40:34 GMT -5
Clearly not good for the game......He'll be making more than 8 individual teams next year.....no other professional sports league would allow that.......( not sure about European soccer ). The commissioner needs to be the commissioner It is in the CBA that MLB can't limit deferred pay for the players. Where is Scott Boras in all this ?? Doesn't he run MLB ??
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Dec 12, 2023 20:41:36 GMT -5
Post by 78purple on Dec 12, 2023 20:41:36 GMT -5
Will he get a Bobby Bonilla day? Yeah, but I suspect it'll be a bit more than $ 1.1 mill every July 1
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Dec 13, 2023 7:41:09 GMT -5
Post by hc6774 on Dec 13, 2023 7:41:09 GMT -5
Clearly not good for the game......He'll be making more than 8 individual teams next year.....no other professional sports league would allow that.......( not sure about European soccer ). The commissioner needs to be the commissioner No, he's making about $2M next year (money-wise). For luxury tax calculation purposes, his salary (if my almost-photographic memory still serves me) is closer to $28M for the books. The deferred years have to count for something while he's on the roster/team. This means that the team will have an incredible amount of flexibility to pay current and future players and have Ohtani cost as much as a backup catcher. It also nearly cleaves in half the luxury tax penalty. Ohtani takes the classical financial risk of money later versus money now without interest. That, and theoretically, a meteor can strike the Dodgers and eliminate the franchise, or any other number of Acts of God that can prevent the franchise from following through with their commitment; the deferred payments do not begin until his new ten year agreement is up. Paid with inflated $; team's NIL rights worth half his compensation? Would the Babe have stayed in Boston if he could have DH'd & would he have hit as many homers in Fenway?
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Dec 13, 2023 10:50:10 GMT -5
Post by Tom on Dec 13, 2023 10:50:10 GMT -5
No, he's making about $2M next year (money-wise). For luxury tax calculation purposes, his salary (if my almost-photographic memory still serves me) is closer to $28M for the books. The deferred years have to count for something while he's on the roster/team. This means that the team will have an incredible amount of flexibility to pay current and future players and have Ohtani cost as much as a backup catcher. It also nearly cleaves in half the luxury tax penalty. Ohtani takes the classical financial risk of money later versus money now without interest. That, and theoretically, a meteor can strike the Dodgers and eliminate the franchise, or any other number of Acts of God that can prevent the franchise from following through with their commitment; the deferred payments do not begin until his new ten year agreement is up. Paid with inflated $; team's NIL rights worth half his compensation? Would the Babe have stayed in Boston if he could have DH'd & would he have hit as many homers in Fenway? No and No It's not like Ruth left via free agency. He did not have a choice in the matter I never saw Ruth play. I know he was a lefty. Assuming, as a lefty, most of his home runs were pulled towards right field and also assuming that some percentage of Ruth's home runs were not monster shots but just barely made it over the short fence at Yankee Stadium, my guess is that Ruth would have hit fewer homers if he stayed in Fenway with its deeper right field fence
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Post by hc1998 on Dec 13, 2023 16:45:26 GMT -5
Clearly not good for the game......He'll be making more than 8 individual teams next year.....no other professional sports league would allow that.......( not sure about European soccer ). The commissioner needs to be the commissioner No, he's making about $2M next year (money-wise). For luxury tax calculation purposes, his salary (if my almost-photographic memory still serves me) is closer to $28M for the books. The deferred years have to count for something while he's on the roster/team. This means that the team will have an incredible amount of flexibility to pay current and future players and have Ohtani cost as much as a backup catcher. It also nearly cleaves in half the luxury tax penalty. Ohtani takes the classical financial risk of money later versus money now without interest. That, and theoretically, a meteor can strike the Dodgers and eliminate the franchise, or any other number of Acts of God that can prevent the franchise from following through with their commitment; the deferred payments do not begin until his new ten year agreement is up. I believe I saw for cap purposes a $46m hit on the books...which, if I remember it right, makes sense as the present value of that contract is $460m
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 13, 2023 18:20:49 GMT -5
Paid with inflated $; team's NIL rights worth half his compensation? Would the Babe have stayed in Boston if he could have DH'd & would he have hit as many homers in Fenway? No and No It's not like Ruth left via free agency. He did not have a choice in the matter I never saw Ruth play. I know he was a lefty. Assuming, as a lefty, most of his home runs were pulled towards right field and also assuming that some percentage of Ruth's home runs were not monster shots but just barely made it over the short fence at Yankee Stadium, my guess is that Ruth would have hit fewer homers if he stayed in Fenway with its deeper right field fence Ruth, Career . . .
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1266 PA, 49 HR, .323/.440/.583 Yankee Stadium 3633 PA, 259 HR, .349/.487/.697.
One winter night in 1947, Lee McPhail and Tom Yawkey - maybe a few sheets to the wind - agreed to swap Joe DiMaggio and Ted Williams, in part because the two Hall of Famers had bats better suited to the other's park. The next day they thought better of it.
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Ohtani
Dec 13, 2023 18:41:44 GMT -5
Post by fz on Dec 13, 2023 18:41:44 GMT -5
Might the deferred payments offset the high tax rates in California?
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Dec 13, 2023 20:49:00 GMT -5
Post by 78purple on Dec 13, 2023 20:49:00 GMT -5
Paid with inflated $; team's NIL rights worth half his compensation? Would the Babe have stayed in Boston if he could have DH'd & would he have hit as many homers in Fenway? No and No It's not like Ruth left via free agency. He did not have a choice in the matter I never saw Ruth play. I know he was a lefty. Assuming, as a lefty, most of his home runs were pulled towards right field and also assuming that some percentage of Ruth's home runs were not monster shots but just barely made it over the short fence at Yankee Stadium, my guess is that Ruth would have hit fewer homers if he stayed in Fenway with its deeper right field fence The comparison between Ohtani and Ruth is mind-boggling......Ruth had several seasons where he hit more home runs in a season than multiple entire TEAMS.....He threw over 1200 career innings....Ohtani is a nice player and good for him on the contract, but he doesn't ( and never will ) come close to those 2 stats
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Dec 13, 2023 23:28:54 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 13, 2023 23:28:54 GMT -5
Ruth was by far the greatest baseball player who ever lived
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 13, 2023 23:57:32 GMT -5
No and No It's not like Ruth left via free agency. He did not have a choice in the matter I never saw Ruth play. I know he was a lefty. Assuming, as a lefty, most of his home runs were pulled towards right field and also assuming that some percentage of Ruth's home runs were not monster shots but just barely made it over the short fence at Yankee Stadium, my guess is that Ruth would have hit fewer homers if he stayed in Fenway with its deeper right field fence Ruth, Career . . .
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1266 PA, 49 HR, .323/.440/.583 Yankee Stadium 3633 PA, 259 HR, .349/.487/.697.
One winter night in 1947, Lee McPhail and Tom Yawkey - maybe a few sheets to the wind - agreed to swap Joe DiMaggio and Ted Williams, in part because the two Hall of Famers had bats better suited to the other's park. The next day they thought better of it.
As we evaluate Babe Ruth at Fenway Park we must bear in mind that at least 25% of his career at bats there came during the "dead ball era" when he was a member of the Red Sox 1914 to 1918. 1920 is generally considered as part of the "lively ball era but I did not include 1919 in the dead ball era as Ruth hit 29 homers that year to lead the league. Tillie Walker, Home Run Baker, and George Sisler tied for second with 10 each. If you include 1919 in the dead ball era that would mean that 40% of Ruth's Fenway at bats were in that dead ball era. He did hit 54 homers his first year as a Yankee in 1921. Fenway was always a tremendous hitters park for lefties as well as righties. Ted Williams. for example, did hit more homers on the road (273) than at Fenway (243) but his batting average was .361 at Fenway and .328 on the road, both stellar of course, but there's a meaningful difference, Williams batted .310in Yankee Stadium. A classic example of a lefty benefit at Fenway can be found in Carl Yastrzemski who batted .264 o the road and .306 at Fenway. He had 237 home runs at Fenway and 215 on the road. Joe D= .316 batting average at home but .334 at Fenway Of course this is all clouded by the fact that these players were facing different pitchers, i.e. Williams did not get to bat against Red Sox pitchers.....
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Post by alum on Dec 22, 2023 9:34:50 GMT -5
Dodgers have signed highly touted free agent Yoshinobu Yamomoto spending another $325 million over 12 years for this 25 year old rightie. They will also have to pay his Japanese team a $50 million posting fee. Sox, Yankees, and Mets were all in on this guy to some degree or other. If the Dodgers fail to win a couple of world championships in the next few years, their fans will be awfully disappointed.
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Dec 22, 2023 9:44:41 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 22, 2023 9:44:41 GMT -5
...and, because of the way they abandoned Brooklyn, I will be smiling every year that they fail to win a series. It is one huge financial risk on their part.
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Dec 22, 2023 9:53:56 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Dec 22, 2023 9:53:56 GMT -5
...and, because of the way they abandoned Brooklyn, I will be smiling every year that they fail to win a series. It is one huge financial risk on their part. Nothing like a sixty five year grudge...
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 22, 2023 9:56:12 GMT -5
May be "Irish alzheimers" where you forget everything but grudges.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 22, 2023 16:00:40 GMT -5
I'm good with that as I hold the same grudge.
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Dec 22, 2023 16:24:57 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Dec 22, 2023 16:24:57 GMT -5
Dodgers have a lot of money tied up in a guy coming off TJ surgery and a guy who has never played pro baseball in the US. Go big or go home, I guess.
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Dec 22, 2023 19:25:25 GMT -5
Post by 78purple on Dec 22, 2023 19:25:25 GMT -5
Dodgers have signed highly touted free agent Yoshinobu Yamomoto spending another $325 million over 12 years for this 25 year old rightie. They will also have to pay his Japanese team a $50 million posting fee. Sox, Yankees, and Mets were all in on this guy to some degree or other. If the Dodgers fail to win a couple of world championships in the next few years, their fans will be awfully disappointed. The Red Sox were never " in " on this discussion.....we are essentially a mid-market franchise with this current ownership with outrageous ticket prices....embarrassing...
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Dec 22, 2023 19:26:16 GMT -5
Post by 78purple on Dec 22, 2023 19:26:16 GMT -5
Dodgers have a lot of money tied up in a guy coming off TJ surgery and a guy who has never played pro baseball in the US. Go big or go home, I guess. Remember, 7 weeks ago the Texas Rangers won the World Series....'nuff said
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Dec 22, 2023 19:28:03 GMT -5
Post by 78purple on Dec 22, 2023 19:28:03 GMT -5
...and, because of the way they abandoned Brooklyn, I will be smiling every year that they fail to win a series. It is one huge financial risk on their part. Nothing like a sixty five year grudge... Nothing wrong with that.....Trivia question......where the name Dodgers come from, and what was the franchises' previous name ?
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Dec 22, 2023 19:44:35 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 22, 2023 19:44:35 GMT -5
Nothing like a sixty five year grudge... Nothing wrong with that.....Trivia question......where the name Dodgers come from, and what was the franchises' previous name ? Americans and I believe it is the subway cars
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