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Post by purplehaze on Dec 19, 2023 12:55:47 GMT -5
So many schools playing FBS football with admission rates in the 80's/90's pct
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Post by alum on Dec 19, 2023 13:09:30 GMT -5
I think that many of these schools are second and third level state universities (i.e. not flagship schools) which were founded and exist to offer a college education to pretty much anyone who can do the work. There is a place for those schools in higher education.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 19, 2023 13:09:57 GMT -5
Yes, many do, but it depends on the state, it's mission, and its resources.
Here's a more important number:
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Post by timholycross on Dec 19, 2023 15:35:01 GMT -5
With big-time athletics, isn't the question, especially at the more selective schools; whether or not the athlete would have been accepted as a non-competing student?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 19, 2023 15:42:07 GMT -5
A great resource-thank you, Hoya. Fascinating data. The one that really sticks out to me--after a quick glance- is Xavier University being sub 10%. That works against the widely held belief that basketball success will do wonders to attract students to the school. Xavier's 85% acceptance rate and 9.5% yield are certainly problematic.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 19, 2023 16:31:02 GMT -5
A great resource-thank you, Hoya. Fascinating data. The one that really sticks out to me--after a quick glance- is Xavier University being sub 10%. That works against the widely held belief that basketball success will do wonders to attract students to the school. Xavier's 85% acceptance rate and 9.5% yield are certainly problematic. Xavier is an intensely regional school. Nearly half of XU are Catholic kids from the Cincinnati metro area. Three states plus Ohio account for 67 percent of the student body. As the Midwest loses population and Ohio State remains an economical choice (with 100 percent acceptance guaranteed to high school graduates within Ohio), this puts pressure on schools like Xavier to accept as many as they can and hope they can fill the class.
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Post by gks on Dec 19, 2023 16:55:14 GMT -5
So many schools playing FBS football with admission rates in the 80's/90's pct /photo/1 So?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 19, 2023 16:58:18 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 19, 2023 17:57:39 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the link. Some of these numbers are outliers, e.g. Chicago's yield rate being above Harvard, for example. However, Chicago accepts a large majority of its class early decision, which means 100% yield.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 19, 2023 19:22:45 GMT -5
A great resource-thank you, Hoya. Fascinating data. The one that really sticks out to me--after a quick glance- is Xavier University being sub 10%. That works against the widely held belief that basketball success will do wonders to attract students to the school. Xavier's 85% acceptance rate and 9.5% yield are certainly problematic. Xavier is an intensely regional school. Nearly half of XU are Catholic kids from the Cincinnati metro area. Three states plus Ohio account for 67 percent of the student body. As the Midwest loses population and Ohio State remains an economical choice (with 100 percent acceptance guaranteed to high school graduates within Ohio), this puts pressure on schools like Xavier to accept as many as they can and hope they can fill the class. Wait...TOSU accepts 100% of in-state applicants? Did I read that right? Can't be.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 19, 2023 19:42:04 GMT -5
Xavier is an intensely regional school. Nearly half of XU are Catholic kids from the Cincinnati metro area. Three states plus Ohio account for 67 percent of the student body. As the Midwest loses population and Ohio State remains an economical choice (with 100 percent acceptance guaranteed to high school graduates within Ohio), this puts pressure on schools like Xavier to accept as many as they can and hope they can fill the class. Wait...TOSU accepts 100% of in-state applicants? Did I read that right? Can't be. For the class of 2026, TOSU, Columbus: 58,000 applicants; 33,200 admitted, 8400 enrolled. <<<From the Common Data Set
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 19, 2023 20:16:27 GMT -5
It's been almost 25 years from when I lived in the Columbus suburbs and that was indeed the case. Get a high school diploma; live in Ohio; you're admitted to THE Ohio State University.
Typically though, it took 5 years to graduate because being able to get into required courses was difficult and one co-worker was so proud and bragged about their kid graduating "in just 4 years!!" Yowza!
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 19, 2023 20:48:59 GMT -5
It's been almost 25 years from when I lived in the Columbus suburbs and that was indeed the case. Get a high school diploma; live in Ohio; you're admitted to THE Ohio State University. Typically though, it took 5 years to graduate because being able to get into required courses was difficult and one co-worker was so proud and bragged about their kid graduating "in just 4 years!!" Yowza! I heard that about TOSU also....
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 19, 2023 21:44:15 GMT -5
Clarifying the Ohio State admit rule: they will admit any in-state high school grad, but not necessarily to Columbus. Many of these are sent to regional colleges with the opportunity to transfer up to the main school. undergrad.osu.edu/regional-campuses/admission
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Post by HC92 on Dec 20, 2023 1:55:17 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the link. Some of these numbers are outliers, e.g. Chicago's yield rate being above Harvard, for example. However, Chicago accepts a large majority of its class early decision, which means 100% yield. Very good point. The schools that have very high yields without a binding early decision option are doing something right. Schools like HC, Bucknel and apparently Chicago take a big chunk of their classes from ED1 and/or ED2. This inflates the yield because that pool has a 100% yield. And a lot of them are full pay students which helps too.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 20, 2023 2:00:48 GMT -5
Bringing this over from another thread in General Discussion to give this year’s Early Action (non-binding) and Early Decision (binding) numbers for some schools of potential interest. Haven’t seen HC’s yet.
ED/ED1 American 65% Bucknell 63% Fordham 60% (combined ED and EA) BU 34% BC 34% Emory 32% UVA 25% Williams 23% Dartmouth 17% Rice 15% Brown 14% Duke 13%
REA/EA Fairfield 37% Notre Dame 15% Georgetown 10% Harvard 9% Yale 9% MIT 5%
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 20, 2023 9:43:39 GMT -5
I am truly shocked and surprised by low yield rates for some flagship universities: the University of Alabama 18.6 percent (Auburn is 26.5 percent.) Ole Miss is 20.6 percent. Penn State 19.5 percent. Oregon 16.6 percent.
In the Big East, other than Georgetown and Villanova, all the other schools have acceptance yield rates under 20 percent, with Seton Hall the lowest at 7.8 percent.
A presumption I draw from percentages such as 18.6 percent at University of Alabama, is that for many/most of the smarter high school students in Alabama, Tuscaloosa is a 'safety school'. I am willing to have that presumption rebutted. Fifty-five percent of the students who were accepted at Auburn and the University of Alabama went elsewhere.
For a school like JMU, hovering at around 20 percent, which is lower than the other public and private universities playing Div I football in VA, that also looks to be a safety school for Virginians. (JMU is also probably not helped by its remoteness.)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 20, 2023 10:46:30 GMT -5
Yields at state schools may also be affected by whether the state has some kind of "governors scholars" fund where in-state high school students can earn tuition to an in-state school via strong HS performance. I think Georgia was one of the early adopters of this approach as all the better students in the state were going elsewhere.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 20, 2023 10:58:50 GMT -5
In the Big East, other than Georgetown and Villanova, all the other schools have acceptance rates under 20 percent, with Seton Hall the lowest at 7.8 percent. I think you meant yield rates. A 7.8 percent yield at Seton Hall essentially mans they need to accept 20,000 applicants to fill a class of 1,500. The yield has dropped almost in half over the past ten years. www.collegetuitioncompare.com/trends/seton-hall-university/admission/
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 20, 2023 14:03:15 GMT -5
In the Big East, other than Georgetown and Villanova, all the other schools have acceptance rates under 20 percent, with Seton Hall the lowest at 7.8 percent. I think you meant yield rates. A 7.8 percent yield at Seton Hall essentially mans they need to accept 20,000 applicants to fill a class of 1,500. The yield has dropped almost in half over the past ten years. www.collegetuitioncompare.com/trends/seton-hall-university/admission/Yes I did, and I corrected. I looked at the CDS for the University of Alabama, and 65 percent of the class of 2026 where from out-of-state. Out of state tuition is $30,000 a year, in-state is about a third of that. 54,100 applicants, 32,000 of whom were women. 43,300 accepted, 26,000 of whom were women. 8,100 enrolled, 4,500 of whom were women. I am bewildered by the low in-state enrollment, less so by seeing that 60 percent of the acceptances were women. Is household income in Alabama such that many households cannot afford in-state tuition, and the low yield rate reflects the state's reliance on out-of-state applicants and enrolling students to meet its budget? I wonder how many high students in Oregon forego the University of Oregon to enroll at the University of Washington, or at the University of California @ __________.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 20, 2023 14:26:23 GMT -5
Yield Rates, 1.ND; 2.Georgetown; 3. HC. Mirrors the traditional ranking of the top Catholic colleges. Comparing apples to apples, For yield rates HC is the top rated liberal arts college. Also, I believe HC's yield is the highest among PL schools.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 20, 2023 15:01:04 GMT -5
Yes I did, and I corrected. I looked at the CDS for the University of Alabama, and 65 percent of the class of 2026 where from out-of-state. Out of state tuition is $30,000 a year, in-state is about a third of that. 54,100 applicants, 32,000 of whom were women. 43,300 accepted, 26,000 of whom were women. 8,100 enrolled, 4,500 of whom were women. I am bewildered by the low in-state enrollment, less so by seeing that 60 percent of the acceptances were women. Is household income in Alabama such that many households cannot afford in-state tuition, and the low yield rate reflects the state's reliance on out-of-state applicants and enrolling students to meet its budget? I wonder how many high students in Oregon forego the University of Oregon to enroll at the University of Washington, or at the University of California @ __________. I think you need to take into account the population of the state (using that as a surrogate for the number of people age 18-22) . Alabama's population is 5.1MM . The percentage of Alabamans going to U of Alabama may not be out of line with the percentage of Pennsylvanians going to Penn State, for example. As well, Alabama also has Auburn University and other state schools.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 20, 2023 15:32:20 GMT -5
Yes I did, and I corrected. I looked at the CDS for the University of Alabama, and 65 percent of the class of 2026 where from out-of-state. Out of state tuition is $30,000 a year, in-state is about a third of that. 54,100 applicants, 32,000 of whom were women. 43,300 accepted, 26,000 of whom were women. 8,100 enrolled, 4,500 of whom were women. I am bewildered by the low in-state enrollment, less so by seeing that 60 percent of the acceptances were women. Is household income in Alabama such that many households cannot afford in-state tuition, and the low yield rate reflects the state's reliance on out-of-state applicants and enrolling students to meet its budget? I wonder how many high students in Oregon forego the University of Oregon to enroll at the University of Washington, or at the University of California @ __________. I think you need to take into account the population of the state (using that as a surrogate for the number of people age 18-22) . Alabama's population is 5.1MM . The percentage of Alabamans going to U of Alabama may not be out of line with the percentage of Pennsylvanians going to Penn State, for example. As well, Alabama also has Auburn University and other state schools. 72 percent of the class of 2025 at UMass were in-state students.. At the University of Vermont for the class of 2026, in-state residents were 16 percent of the freshman class. Vermont is in a demographic free-fall, and very much depends on out of state students to keep the university functioning.
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Post by gks on Dec 20, 2023 18:32:18 GMT -5
I think you need to take into account the population of the state (using that as a surrogate for the number of people age 18-22) . Alabama's population is 5.1MM . The percentage of Alabamans going to U of Alabama may not be out of line with the percentage of Pennsylvanians going to Penn State, for example. As well, Alabama also has Auburn University and other state schools. 72 percent of the class of 2025 at UMass were in-state students.. At the University of Vermont for the class of 2026, in-state residents were 16 percent of the freshman class. Vermont is in a demographic free-fall, and very much depends on out of state students to keep the university functioning. In state costs at New England flagship universities are very expensive. Vermont may top the list. As a parent with two in school it was cheaper out of pocket to send to private schools outside of MA.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 20, 2023 19:54:49 GMT -5
72 percent of the class of 2025 at UMass were in-state students.. At the University of Vermont for the class of 2026, in-state residents were 16 percent of the freshman class. Vermont is in a demographic free-fall, and very much depends on out of state students to keep the university functioning. In state costs at New England flagship universities are very expensive. Vermont may top the list. As a parent with two in school it was cheaper out of pocket to send to private schools outside of MA. It is $61,442 for an out of state student to live on campus after housing, tuition, fees and a meal plan. www.uvm.edu/studentfinancialservices/costs_attending
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