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Post by Chu Chu on Mar 9, 2024 10:23:17 GMT -5
Get a win then end the series. That way you keep the fact of ending on a winning note. That's what we did with Georgia!
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 9, 2024 10:42:45 GMT -5
Perhaps not exactly the same. Didn't we end that Georgia series undefeated (2-0)?
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Post by Chu Chu on Mar 9, 2024 13:17:20 GMT -5
Perhaps not exactly the same. Didn't we end that Georgia series undefeated (2-0)? 3 - 0!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 9, 2024 13:20:30 GMT -5
Perhaps not exactly the same. Didn't we end that Georgia series undefeated (2-0)? 3 - 0! I lived in Atlanta for six years and delighted in calling that to the attention of my SEC friends a number of times
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Post by Chu Chu on Mar 9, 2024 13:32:07 GMT -5
This link below is from the University of Georgia football website, detailing the history of the series. Very interesting!
georgiadogs.com/sports/football/opponent-history/holy-cross/324
And this is from the New York Times, October 23, 1938:
HOLY CROSS ROUTS GEORGIA, 29 TO 6
24,000 See Varied Attack by Purple Eleven Score in Every Period
Pass Starts Drive Gerasimas Recovers Fumble
Holy Cross's rebounding Crusaders unleashed a devastating offense today and crushed a big, unbeaten University of Georgia eleven, 29 to 6, in a colorful intersectional football war before 24,000 spectators. Fullback Bill Osmanski and regular quarterback Henry Ouillette were unable to dress for the game due to injuries.
Just imagine how much fun it was to be a Holy Cross football fan in the 1930s!
Read the entire article here in the New York Times "Time Machine": timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1938/10/23/98866983.html?pageNumber=79
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Post by timholycross on Mar 9, 2024 14:22:54 GMT -5
Beat 'em at Fenway, at Fitton and Between The Hedges!
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Post by mm67 on Mar 9, 2024 14:48:56 GMT -5
Those HC teams of the '30's were probably the most significant teams in school history. Big time football with big time success. Thank you for the real time Times report. HC is undefeated against the Georgia Bulldogs. They haven't played us since those days. Obviously they're afraid of losing to the Crusaders.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 9, 2024 14:55:03 GMT -5
The Athletic Director/Football Coach/Baseball Coach, was a halfback on the HC teams from 1933/1937. Interesting and entertaining to read the Purple Patchers from that era.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 9, 2024 15:07:51 GMT -5
In retrospect, I think Penn (and others that rotated in) dropped off because the PL became a 7 team league.
6 league games plus 4 Ivies every year made scheduling too difficult. They've only had 4 once or twice since then. In fact, in the near future, looks like two and not three.
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Post by jkh67 on Mar 9, 2024 17:26:07 GMT -5
I was at that Penn game which was during the Vaas era. Penn had a transfer from Northwestern at QB who picked our secondary apart. I believe the final score was 59-8. I was at that game, too. Can't say I remember the final score, but the Quakers did definitely kick them some Purple ass that afternoon. A real embarrassment. Afterwards, I sent a long letter to the then HC President complaining about that game in particular and the state of the football program in general. His response was basically that I was too pre-occupied with athletic success.
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Post by hc87 on Mar 9, 2024 19:13:57 GMT -5
I think the Ivies have risen from their "fall" in the 80s and 90s and possibly into the '00s. They were starting to get blown out by their in-state public school rivals nearly annually during that era. I think we beat Dartmouth something like 15 games in a row starting in 1978.
In the last 10-15 years they have improved as they have been offering more aid etc than they did at the end of the 20th C.
Would like to see them add an 11th game and become eligible for the FCS playoffs.....it would help raise FCS awareness in the Northeast imo.
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Post by cruskater31 on Mar 9, 2024 20:26:34 GMT -5
I think the Ivies have risen from their "fall" in the 80s and 90s and possibly into the '00s. They were starting to get blown out by their in-state public school rivals nearly annually during that era. I think we beat Dartmouth something like 15 games in a row starting in 1978. In the last 10-15 years they have improved as they have been offering more aid etc than they did at the end of the 20th C. Would like to see them add an 11th game and become eligible for the FCS playoffs.....it would help raise FCS awareness in the Northeast imo. with their aid structure I think the top Ivies would win 1 or 2 games (especially with regionalization in the opening round) in the postseason. I wouldn't want to face Harvard in the playoffs! (Unless it was last year and a revenge game!)
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Post by timholycross on Mar 10, 2024 9:56:04 GMT -5
I was at that Penn game which was during the Vaas era. Penn had a transfer from Northwestern at QB who picked our secondary apart. I believe the final score was 59-8. I was at that game, too. Can't say I remember the final score, but the Quakers did definitely kick them some Purple ass that afternoon. A real embarrassment. Afterwards, I sent a long letter to the then HC President complaining about that game in particular and the state of the football program in general. His response was basically that I was too pre-occupied with athletic success. I happened to be at BC that day watching them beat Notre Dame handily (the high point of the Dan Henning era). They kept flashing scores from several games, including HC's. Seemed like Penn scored a TD every 5 minutes; even though very few in the stands were paying attention to that, it still was a bitter pill to swallow given what was going on in front of me.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 10, 2024 12:10:08 GMT -5
I think the Ivies have risen from their "fall" in the 80s and 90s and possibly into the '00s. They were starting to get blown out by their in-state public school rivals nearly annually during that era. I think we beat Dartmouth something like 15 games in a row starting in 1978. In the last 10-15 years they have improved as they have been offering more aid etc than they did at the end of the 20th C. Would like to see them add an 11th game and become eligible for the FCS playoffs.....it would help raise FCS awareness in the Northeast imo. with their aid structure I think the top Ivies would win 1 or 2 games (especially with regionalization in the opening round) in the postseason. I wouldn't want to face Harvard in the playoffs! (Unless it was last year and a revenge game!) Of course the FCS selection committee is too dumb to know the IL teams we play are good so we should drop the Ivies to better our seeding.🙂
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Post by nhteamer on Mar 11, 2024 10:28:09 GMT -5
Let's be honest though, if the Ivies start offering athletic scholarships and/or pony up big bucks for NIL, we are in big trouble. You are so naive. I call a package that reduces out of pocket expenses from 60 K to 1.8 K a SCHOLARSHIP.
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Post by hc1996 on Mar 11, 2024 10:51:14 GMT -5
Let's be honest though, if the Ivies start offering athletic scholarships and/or pony up big bucks for NIL, we are in big trouble. You are so naive. I call a package that reduces out of pocket expenses from 60 K to 1.8 K a SCHOLARSHIP. Not naive at all. I have shared many times on this board that I am aware of the Ivies offering aid to athletes in the form of grants. My point here is if they change course and openly offer athletic scholarships, their programs will become even more appealing to student athletes.
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Post by gks on Mar 11, 2024 10:58:26 GMT -5
You are so naive. I call a package that reduces out of pocket expenses from 60 K to 1.8 K a SCHOLARSHIP. Not naive at all. I have shared many times on this board that I am aware of the Ivies offering aid to athletes in the form of grants. My point here is if they change course and openly offer athletic scholarships, their programs will become even more appealing to student athletes. I would say with a decent amount of confidence that when a Harvard coach enters a home they use the word 'scholarship' and not 'grant'. When you don't want to follow the rules you call things by different names as a technicality.
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Post by hc1996 on Mar 11, 2024 11:03:34 GMT -5
Not naive at all. I have shared many times on this board that I am aware of the Ivies offering aid to athletes in the form of grants. My point here is if they change course and openly offer athletic scholarships, their programs will become even more appealing to student athletes. I would say with a decent amount of confidence that when a Harvard coach enters a home they use the word 'scholarship' and not 'grant'. When you don't want to follow the rules you call things by different names as a technicality. If they change course and begin offering "athletic scholarships" I'm sure they will also be increasing the pool of potential student athletes. Not to say they will admit kids who wouldn't make it academically, but they would certainly start considering kids who wouldn't have made the cut previously.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 11, 2024 11:22:06 GMT -5
Let's be honest though, if the Ivies start offering athletic scholarships and/or pony up big bucks for NIL, we are in big trouble. You are so naive. I call a package that reduces out of pocket expenses from 60 K to 1.8 K a SCHOLARSHIP. When HYP makes that precise offer to a non-athlete (and they do) do you still call it a scholarship? Or do you call it financial aid?
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Post by hc1996 on Mar 11, 2024 11:30:27 GMT -5
You are so naive. I call a package that reduces out of pocket expenses from 60 K to 1.8 K a SCHOLARSHIP. When HYP makes that precise offer to a non-athlete (and they do) do you still call it a scholarship? Or do you call it financial aid? I don't think the Ivies are supposed to use the term "scholarship". They offer need-based aid. "Hey Joe Linebacker, you need to play for Princeton, so here's some need-based grant money. Think of it like a scholarship, but we are better than everyone else so we don't call them scholarships".
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Post by alum on Mar 11, 2024 12:26:49 GMT -5
1996 has expressed in the past his belief that Ivy athletes pay less (and as little as nothing at all) than similarly financially situated non athletes. Many of us think that this is simply untrue. On the other hand, I don't think anyone disagrees with the statement that there are reasonably bright athletes who are admited to the Ivies who would have a much tougher time getting in if they were just smart kids in the Math club whose parents had never donated a building.
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Post by hc1996 on Mar 11, 2024 12:39:20 GMT -5
1996 has expressed in the past his belief that Ivy athletes pay less (and as little as nothing at all) than similarly financially situated non athletes. Many of us think that this is simply untrue. On the other hand, I don't think anyone disagrees with the statement that there are reasonably bright athletes who are admited to the Ivies who would have a much tougher time getting in if they were just smart kids in the Math club whose parents had never donated a building. Yes, I absolutely believe that is the case. I have been made aware of several of these cases within the Yale football program. The student athletes were no where near in need of financial aid, but yet paid next to nothing to go to Yale and play football. A couple of the kids were clearly above the average Ivy talent level and had scholarship offers from FBS programs. However, it's probably unfair of me to assume that other Ivies are pulling the wool over everyone's eyes as well. Just because Yale is doing it doesn't mean the others are.
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Post by hc69 on Mar 11, 2024 12:51:47 GMT -5
When HYP makes that precise offer to a non-athlete (and they do) do you still call it a scholarship? Or do you call it financial aid? I don't think the Ivies are supposed to use the term "scholarship". They offer need-based aid. "Hey Joe Linebacker, you need to play for Princeton, so here's some need-based grant money. Think of it like a scholarship, but we are better than everyone else so we don't call them scholarships". At the Ivies, all aid is need-based. Need-based aid is determined by a formula that takes into account family income, number in the family, number in college, assets, investments, etc. The numbers get entered into the computer, mostly directly from FAFSA, and out comes the dollar amount. Whether or not the applicant is an athlete, or a cello player, or has 1600s on his SATs is irrelevant. They don't use the term "scholarship" because the connotation of a scholarship implies that awarding it is discretionary. Athletically-related aid would be a scholarship. So would academically-related or merit-based aid. The football player isn't getting additional money to play football. The cello player isn't getting additional money to play the cello. The Ivies did away with discretionary aid ("scholarships") years ago. Except for the poorest kids, everyone at an Ivy is paying something out of pocket.
Despite the claims of some, almost ad nauseam, that athletes at the Ivies are getting athletics scholarships, no one can provide a scintilla of hard evidence (not hearsay) that it is true. Anyone who has actually worked with athletically-related aid can tell you how hard that would be to pull off at a school that nominally provides only need-based aid. It would require a grand conspiracy involving the AD, the athletics compliance staff, the coaches, the financial aid office, the faculty athletics representative, the independent auditors, not to mention the athletes themselves. That's hundreds of people over many years and not one has uttered a peep?. Absurd. Then again, people who believe in grand conspiracies aren't bothered in the least by the lack of evidence that they are true. They just see that as another grand conspiracy.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 11, 2024 12:59:08 GMT -5
Not naive at all. I have shared many times on this board that I am aware of the Ivies offering aid to athletes in the form of grants. My point here is if they change course and openly offer athletic scholarships, their programs will become even more appealing to student athletes.  I would say with a decent amount of confidence that when a Harvard coach enters a home they use the word 'scholarship' and not 'grant'. When you don't want to follow the rules you call things by different names as a technicality.  Harvard and Yale FB must have horrific compliance records with the NCAA since they are not following the rules. In reality America's great Universities like the Ivies, MIT, Stanford etc., should generate national pride because they are the best in the world and they are in the USA. They may put up with a little plagiarism but I doubt they would tolerate persistent widespread rules violations in athletics. I think H&Y are generous to a fault to all students. No good deed goes unpunished.
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Post by hc1996 on Mar 11, 2024 13:19:09 GMT -5
This isn't a conspiracy guys. Sadly, it's the way the world works. Do you really think schools that accept money in exchange for sub par students like Jared Kushner won't bend the rules for an advantage elsewhere? Please tell me you don't think Jared Kushner is an anomaly.
Heck, I had a friend at HC who had his rejection letter framed on the wall of his apartment on Caro Street. Long story short, his dad wrote a check.
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