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Post by hchoops on Jun 9, 2024 17:57:37 GMT -5
Just watched game 1, and heard that Indiana had players going to Kansas, Purdue, Butler and other power conference schools. Considering that, Max’s games are especially impressive.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 10, 2024 8:30:39 GMT -5
From memory, I think we used to joke "in Chesney, we trust."
Well, for me when it comes to Crusader basketball, "in Paulsen, we trust." Being as charitable as I can be on the subject, he is in all ways, diametrically opposite his predecessor.
And, tangentially, I also trust Dan Curran. I think Kit Hughes has done a great job of hiring coaches who "get" Holy Cross despite not being alums. Kudos, all around, from me.
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Post by hcnj on Jun 10, 2024 12:37:30 GMT -5
It appears to me that in addition to his ability to put the ball in the basket, Max Green has a lot of confidence in himself. Not a bad thing. yes he does. Months ago in another KY posted story his high level of confidence came to my attention. He was asked if he was a little surprised about tonight's game (some huge scoring night), he answered, "No, not all. That's what I always do, it's expected..."
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 10, 2024 12:48:27 GMT -5
Today’s print CJ reprinted story from the Indianapolis Star which, naturally, focused more on the Indiana players, most prominently Flory Bidinga, a Kansas recruit who had a huge game on Saturday. Talking of Max, the article says “Green, a 6-6 guard headed for Holy Cross, burned the All-Stars on Friday for 36 points. He poured in a team-high 25 points on Saturday, including 16 in the second half.” The article featured a large photo of Max
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Post by hchoops on Jun 12, 2024 17:23:26 GMT -5
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Post by hcnj on Jun 13, 2024 0:02:19 GMT -5
Thanks hoops, for me it was a very interesting article.
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Post by armsue on Jun 13, 2024 10:58:14 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I believe young Mr. Green will be in the transfer portal before his sophomore season begins. This is the reality of the tragedy.
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Post by Tom on Jun 13, 2024 11:10:52 GMT -5
Maybe HC was a 40 year decision and not 4 (or 1) year decision. Word on the streets is that his parents were very excited about the basketball version of 90 wide
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 13, 2024 11:11:00 GMT -5
Armsue. It is Sad that you believe so little in Holy Cross, Coach Paulson and in Green's word. That is the reality of the situation.
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Post by Chu Chu on Jun 13, 2024 13:31:40 GMT -5
Great article.I think we have landed someone special. "Green was invited to the Kentucky vs. Indiana All-Star Game. He finished his high school career on a high note. Green scored 36 points in game one and 25 points in game two. He committed to the College of the Holy Cross before the start of his senior year. He liked the fit for his game, but coach Dave Paulsen was his favorite of the coaches he met. “I went on my official visit up there, and it just felt right basketball wise,” Green said. “It’s a super good fit. I think I’m going to be able to go in there immediately and do my thing and score the ball at a high level and show everybody my stuff. it was really just solely based off the best basketball decision for me, because that’s what I’ve seen my future in.”"
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Post by trimster on Jun 13, 2024 13:43:56 GMT -5
I think the fact Harvard lost its 2 young stars, one a frosh and one a sophomore, after last season is a truly sobering fact. If Harvard can't keep a kid for 4 years, that's a real problem for college basketball in particular and college athletics in general.
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Post by efg72 on Jun 13, 2024 14:50:52 GMT -5
In my opinion, it might be more of a statement of what players want. I think we might find that for most, it is not an education but showing me the money and letting me play at the highest level.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 13, 2024 15:08:06 GMT -5
While that may very well be true, my takeaway from the Blaney Gym coaches talk was our coaches and AD are purposely focusing on student-athletes that will be "buying-in" to their long term futures, not the get-rich-quick scenarios. The tidbits they share seem to indicate they're having success, not just with the students, but also with the parents.
It's not going to be a flawless process and undoubtedly we'll lose athletes but let's hope and pray it won't be at the Nelson level frequency.
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Post by efg72 on Jun 13, 2024 15:11:12 GMT -5
I don't disagree at all-- just saying if I look at the portal, I shake my head, and many kids leave excellent schools for reasons unknown
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 13, 2024 18:21:36 GMT -5
While that may very well be true, my takeaway from the Blaney Gym coaches talk was our coaches and AD are purposely focusing on student-athletes that will be "buying-in" to their long term futures, not the get-rich-quick scenarios. The tidbits they share seem to indicate they're having success, not just with the students, but also with the parents. It's not going to be a flawless process and undoubtedly we'll lose athletes but let's hope and pray it won't be at the Nelson level frequency. Regarding former coach Nelson, Kit didn't rise to any bait. He was faced with a significantly underperforming coach of what HC has tried to make it's marquee sport who was a poor fit and who was hired by a predecessor AD. Yet Kit handled his joint tenure with Brett flawlessly with never a hint of unprofessionalism, and when it was financially prudent to do so, facilitated a velvet divorce and then hired an excellent fit in DP. Now DP attracts a plus talent from an area where Holy Cross has to be identified and then sold. The coaches have a good leader and role model in Kit.
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Post by trimster on Jun 13, 2024 20:37:46 GMT -5
We are talking about kids not far removed from high school who in many cases aren’t thinking about what they are going to be doing post college but are more focused on what they are going to be doing on the upcoming weekend. They are also addicted to their smart phone and heavily influenced by what people are saying about them on social media. I know some will say this doesn’t describe the average 18-19 year old at HC but my guess is it does. As someone pointed out, hopefully a kid’s parents have really bought into the potential and total experience provided by an HC degree but if a frosh or sophomore has a breakout year and someone offers you 200,000 to come play for State U….
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Post by hcnj on Jun 14, 2024 10:34:53 GMT -5
Trimester, I'd make a further distinction regarding average HC student (or similar school). Being a football or basketball star in HS and attending HC in current environment makes these students very different in terms of their focus. Almost all kids at HC made later life decisions when they chose HC but until that time gets here they do what you suggest. Not so for the former subgroup.
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Post by Tom on Jun 14, 2024 11:58:58 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, prior to a few weeks ago, the most recent 4 year scholarship grad was a chemistry major. Not sure many chem majors are leaving for the bright lights of big state U. Not sure how many big state U's let contributing players be a chem major. Those annoying labs might interfere with practice. Maybe, I'm misreading todays young adults, but I don't see a kid choosing to be a chem major jumping from NIL offer to NIL offer, unless it was a really big one
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Post by trimster on Jun 14, 2024 13:10:47 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, prior to a few weeks ago, the most recent 4 year scholarship grad was a chemistry major. Not sure many chem majors are leaving for the bright lights of big state U. Not sure how many big state U's let contributing players be a chem major. Those annoying labs might interfere with practice. Maybe, I'm misreading todays young adults, but I don't see a kid choosing to be a chem major jumping from NIL offer to NIL offer, unless it was a really big one Unfortunately, that caveat is often in play when it comes to the Power 5 schools. Also, you could sub Harvard students for chem majors in your second sentence. How many would have predicted that a year ago?
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Post by efg72 on Jun 14, 2024 13:54:49 GMT -5
I suggest that we suspend conversations about players leaving and allow this talented group of basketball and football players to settle into the new environment, become scholar athletes, enjoy being in college, and have great success on the court and the field. Let them develop and experience individual and team success while establishing relationships with other students, teammates, and coaches. Changes are always possible, but I think the HC offerings and a modest NIL will keep almost every player in purple. If we fail with the NIL, then we will have some issues.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 14, 2024 13:55:56 GMT -5
Just rep HC well while you are wearing the jersey. If you get $200,000 to transfer after freshman or sophomore year, it's your option to take the money and continue to speak well of HC in your future journey. If HC is in that NIL neighborhood after next season, that's different but it seems unlikely.
Fortunately with grad transfers during Covid, I am comfortable with players leaving for good reasons like grad school and a $200K NIL offer qualifies as a good reason, too.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 14, 2024 14:03:03 GMT -5
I suggest that we suspend conversations about players leaving and allow this talented group of basketball and football players to settle into the new environment, become scholar athletes, enjoy being in college, and have great success on the court and the field. Let them develop and experience individual and team success while establishing relationships with other students, teammates, and coaches. Changes are always possible, but I think the HC offerings and a modest NIL will keep almost every player in purple. If we fail with the NIL, then we will have some issues. Agree that $200K offers will be few and far between. It seems like HC is doing everything right and if someone leaves for a huge offer or any reason it isn't because anyone did anything wrong. HC will be among the nation's leaders in retention in the five max scholarship sports just like we are in athlete academic performance, I believe.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 14, 2024 14:19:29 GMT -5
Does anyone have a prediction of the level of NIL payments that PL teams will be making? If P5 teams will be paying $1mm a year to a basketball star, will Pl teams be paying all-conference players $50,000 a year? If the team has 13 players, how many will get $$$? Will teams be using Nil $$$ extensively with recruits? Of course, practices will change dramatically over time but does anyone want to hazard a guess on where we might be now?
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 14, 2024 14:25:35 GMT -5
$50K max. No signing bonuses, all players eligible for consideration based on performance after freshman year. Don't get into bidding contests with bigger schools.
Not league rules, just hoped for sanity. I think PL teams are nuts to try to compete using signing bonuses for HS players. Wait to see who is a good fit.
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Post by trimster on Jun 14, 2024 14:42:09 GMT -5
I suggest that we suspend conversations about players leaving and allow this talented group of basketball and football players to settle into the new environment, become scholar athletes, enjoy being in college, and have great success on the court and the field. Let them develop and experience individual and team success while establishing relationships with other students, teammates, and coaches. Changes are always possible, but I think the HC offerings and a modest NIL will keep almost every player in purple. If we fail with the NIL, then we will have some issues. Amen to that suggestion.
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