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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 22, 2024 13:26:15 GMT -5
Formal Preseason officially kicks off this week as it’s testing week and PL Media day commences Wednesday. Looking forward to hopefully some social media videos from Grautski of players maxing out new records.
As far as PL media day, here are my guesses for Preseason awards.
Preseason PL rankings from Coaches and AD/SID voting:
1) Lafayette 2) Fordham 3) Holy Cross 4) Colgate 5) Lehigh 6) Bucknell 7) Georgetown
OPOY - RB Jamar Curtis - Lafayette OR QB CJ Montes - Fordham DPOY - LB James Conway - Fordham OR DB Saiku White - Lafayette
HC Players on Preseason All Conference team - Jordan Fuller & Christo Kelly. Outside shot for Frankie Monte, Justin Shorter and Curtis Harris-Lopez depending upon how many spots they give.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 22, 2024 15:19:55 GMT -5
I salute the big three - Lafayette, Holy Cross, Fordham for putting together strong programs in the PL. I get the sense Colgate and Lehigh are earnestly trying to get right up there. Georgetown makes on bones about it, they aren't giving scholarships so any success they achieve is praiseworthy. That leaves Bucknell FB which is a riddle wrapped in an inigma. They have done so well in BB over the years and bring the most fans in orange to far away league games like HC, it's hard to understand why FB isn't more competitive.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 22, 2024 15:43:44 GMT -5
Let me trot out one of many sader1970 "Management Maxims": "When everything is a priority, nothing is a priority." Kind of like "you can't be all things to all people." Bucknell is emphasizing basketball and not putting a lot of focus on football other than they probably have to have a team to remain full-fledged PL members.
Translating this a little closer to home, Holy Cross has 20+ varsity sports with about 3,100 students. And, why oh why, aren't we champs or at least contenders in most/all of these? I've heard all the reasons and rationale but we have way too many teams. Let's prioritize.
FOCUS!
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Post by hchoops on Jul 22, 2024 15:45:45 GMT -5
Pre-season picks mean next to nothing, but this is unfamiliar territory recently for HC. Chesney was deserving of all the praise for his success.
If this poll is the end of season result, will he deserve any criticism for the seemingly lesser talent he recruited in the junior and senior classes ?
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Post by dharry13 on Jul 22, 2024 15:57:46 GMT -5
I think there is talent in this Senior Class. The Junior class certainly a lot less. That said - it was difficult to evaluate kids in person for that class due to COVID. I'm on record from that year. I have no idea what their recruiting philosophy was with that class and it's rearing it's head right now.
Good thing the Soph class and Frosh class are immensely talented. Hopefully the class they are currently recruiting as well will be on par with those, albeit a small class.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 22, 2024 16:27:37 GMT -5
Let me trot out one of many sader1970 "Management Maxims": "When everything is a priority, nothing is a priority." Kind of like "you can't be all things to all people." Bucknell is emphasizing basketball and not putting a lot of focus on football other than they probably have to have a team to remain full-fledged PL members. Translating this a little closer to home, Holy Cross has 20+ varsity sports with about 3,100 students. And, why oh why, aren't we champs or at least contenders in most/all of these? I've heard all the reasons and rationale but we have way too many teams. Let's prioritize. FOCUS!Agree on limiting priorities or areas of interest Tier one- where 70% of the money goes Football Basketball - men's Hockey- men's Basketball- women's Tier two-- years of participation and tradition Hockey- women's Lax- women's Lax- men's Soccer- men's Baseball Track- men/women Tier three and beyond All other sports Naturally I missed some for tier two and at best it is a guess
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Post by southernsader on Jul 22, 2024 16:28:30 GMT -5
Let me trot out one of many sader1970 "Management Maxims": "When everything is a priority, nothing is a priority." Kind of like "you can't be all things to all people." Bucknell is emphasizing basketball and not putting a lot of focus on football other than they probably have to have a team to remain full-fledged PL members. Translating this a little closer to home, Holy Cross has 20+ varsity sports with about 3,100 students. And, why oh why, aren't we champs or at least contenders in most/all of these? I've heard all the reasons and rationale but we have way too many teams. Let's prioritize. FOCUS! Amen.
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Post by newadvisor on Jul 22, 2024 19:17:47 GMT -5
Formal Preseason officially kicks off this week as it’s testing week and PL Media day commences Thursday. Looking forward to hopefully some social media videos from Grautski of players maxing out new records. As far as PL media day, here are my guesses for Preseason awards. Preseason PL rankings from Coaches and AD/SID voting: 1) Lafayette 2) Fordham 3) Holy Cross 4) Colgate 5) Lehigh 6) Bucknell 7) Georgetown OPOY - RB Jamar Curtis - Lafayette OR QB CJ Montes - Fordham DPOY - LB James Conway - Fordham OR DB Saiku White - Lafayette HC Players on Preseason All Conference team - Jordan Fuller & Christo Kelly. Outside shot for Frankie Monte, Justin Shorter and Curtis Harris-Lopez depending upon how many spots they give. I think there will be different names at the end of the year on the list. The last 4 years HC completely sold out for a running QB, it will be different this year and I'll say it now. We might be more difficult to game plan for with a throwing QB that can run also. I know it's tough for some on this board to see now, but it's harder to stop 5 or 6 players compared to just 2.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 22, 2024 19:35:45 GMT -5
Formal Preseason officially kicks off this week as it’s testing week and PL Media day commences Thursday. Looking forward to hopefully some social media videos from Grautski of players maxing out new records. As far as PL media day, here are my guesses for Preseason awards. Preseason PL rankings from Coaches and AD/SID voting: 1) Lafayette 2) Fordham 3) Holy Cross 4) Colgate 5) Lehigh 6) Bucknell 7) Georgetown OPOY - RB Jamar Curtis - Lafayette OR QB CJ Montes - Fordham DPOY - LB James Conway - Fordham OR DB Saiku White - Lafayette HC Players on Preseason All Conference team - Jordan Fuller & Christo Kelly. Outside shot for Frankie Monte, Justin Shorter and Curtis Harris-Lopez depending upon how many spots they give. I think there will be different names at the end of the year on the list. The last 4 years HC completely sold out for a running QB, it will be different this year and I'll say it now. We might be more difficult to game plan for with a throwing QB that can run also. I know it's tough for some on this board to see now, but it's harder to stop 5 or 6 players compared to just 2. I agree that this offense will cause teams to prepare for way more versatility than the past 3 years. However with that being said, other teams knew that we were going to come out and run gap scheme QB and RB power at them all day, and still couldn’t stop it last couple years. I’ll dig into a couple of lesser known names that I’m very bullish on having break through years (being All Conference contenders by end of season) when I lay out the two deep heading into camp later this week.
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Post by hcnj on Jul 22, 2024 20:20:10 GMT -5
Formal Preseason officially kicks off this week as it’s testing week and PL Media day commences Thursday. Looking forward to hopefully some social media videos from Grautski of players maxing out new records. As far as PL media day, here are my guesses for Preseason awards. Preseason PL rankings from Coaches and AD/SID voting: 1) Lafayette 2) Fordham 3) Holy Cross 4) Colgate 5) Lehigh 6) Bucknell 7) Georgetown OPOY - RB Jamar Curtis - Lafayette OR QB CJ Montes - Fordham DPOY - LB James Conway - Fordham OR DB Saiku White - Lafayette HC Players on Preseason All Conference team - Jordan Fuller & Christo Kelly. Outside shot for Frankie Monte, Justin Shorter and Curtis Harris-Lopez depending upon how many spots they give. I think there will be different names at the end of the year on the list. The last 4 years HC completely sold out for a running QB, it will be different this year and I'll say it now. We might be more difficult to game plan for with a throwing QB that can run also. I know it's tough for some on this board to see now, but it's harder to stop 5 or 6 players compared to just 2. Most would agree that we'll have a lot more variety in our use of offensive schemes and players. Based on Joe P's three prior yrs I wouldn't think he'll be a throwing QB that also runs other than some sneaks. No one knows if we'll better this year with more variety vs being star heavy as in the recent past. I wouldn't second guess our outstanding last few years of success.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 22, 2024 20:28:39 GMT -5
Let me trot out one of many sader1970 "Management Maxims": "When everything is a priority, nothing is a priority." Kind of like "you can't be all things to all people." Bucknell is emphasizing basketball and not putting a lot of focus on football other than they probably have to have a team to remain full-fledged PL members. Translating this a little closer to home, Holy Cross has 20+ varsity sports with about 3,100 students. And, why oh why, aren't we champs or at least contenders in most/all of these? I've heard all the reasons and rationale but we have way too many teams. Let's prioritize. FOCUS!Agree on limiting priorities or areas of interest Tier one- where 70% of the money goes Football Basketball - men's Hockey- men's Basketball- women's Tier two-- years of participation and tradition Hockey- women's Lax- women's Lax- men's Soccer- men's Baseball Track- men/women Tier three and beyond All other sports Naturally I missed some for tier two and at best it is a guess Phreek would have the exact figures, but I think M&W Hockey have the same number of scholarships and coaches. The main reason the men would get more funding is for travel costs as the AHA is a more far flung league than Hockey East. Holy Cross fits right into the geographic center of the compact Hockey East footprint. If Holy Cross could play the Hockey East schools as their league for all sports, it would take a load of pressure off the budget. No chance of that, however.
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Post by hcnj on Jul 22, 2024 20:41:30 GMT -5
I think there is talent in this Senior Class. The Junior class certainly a lot less. That said - it was difficult to evaluate kids in person for that class due to COVID. I'm on record from that year. I have no idea what their recruiting philosophy was with that class and it's rearing it's head right now. Good thing the Soph class and Frosh class are immensely talented. Hopefully the class they are currently recruiting as well will be on par with those, albeit a small class. I would think that Covid also had an impact on this jr class because it allowed our best players to play an extra yr giving a lot less opportunity to this class on top of the normal difficulty of sophs and freshmen to break in. To Harry's point, if you look at the advancing soph class many of their minutes came from the less heralded newcomers. I didn't think our defense last season was exceptional and there's a lot of potential to improve at almost every position through experience and newcomers. Our last 2 yrs of O-linemen, first and second team, would have been difficult to displace with any normal freshmen and sophs classes.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 22, 2024 20:59:06 GMT -5
I think there is talent in this Senior Class. The Junior class certainly a lot less. That said - it was difficult to evaluate kids in person for that class due to COVID. I'm on record from that year. I have no idea what their recruiting philosophy was with that class and it's rearing it's head right now. Good thing the Soph class and Frosh class are immensely talented. Hopefully the class they are currently recruiting as well will be on par with those, albeit a small class. I would think that Covid also had an impact on this jr class because it allowed our best players to play an extra yr giving a lot less opportunity to this class on top of the normal difficulty of sophs and freshmen to break in. To Harry's point, if you look at the advancing soph class many of their minutes came from the less heralded newcomers. I didn't think our defense last season was exceptional and there's a lot of potential to improve at almost every position through experience and newcomers. Our last 2 yrs of O-linemen, first and second team, would have been difficult to displace with any normal freshmen and sophs classes. Every opponent also had the same Covid situation. Was HC limited in a different way ?
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Post by hcnj on Jul 23, 2024 10:30:29 GMT -5
Probably not, but I don't know if all the the other schools signed significantly better junior classes than us or if they all held over as many or more 5th yrs. Same coach that signed the very good soph class and many of the better prospects in the frosh class. So without a theory on why Chesney and staff went after weaker players one year in between several good years makes no sense to me. Maybe someone else knows, we'll see.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 23, 2024 10:31:38 GMT -5
Offensive 2-deep heading into 2024 training camp (based on last season and observations from Spring). No freshman listed obviously. Positional breakdown to follow:
QB1 SR Joe Pesansky - QB2 SO Austin Frattura OR SO Josh Jenkins
RB1 SR Jordan Fuller - RB2 SO JC Clerveaux
WR1 5TH Bryon Shipman - WR2 SO Charly Mullaly
WR1 SR Justin Shorter - WR2 JR Max Mosey
WR1 5TH Quentin Gregory - WR2 JR Blake Youngblood
TE1 SR Jake Petersen - TE2 JR Nathan Schillinger OR FB/H JR John Owens
LT1 5TH Declan McCauley LT2 SO Brad Blattner
LG1 JR Joe Metzger LG2 SO Colin Beesley OR SO Sean Woods
OC1 5TH Christo Kelly - OC2 5TH Dalton Daddona OR SO Will Janis
RG1/2 5TH Dalton Daddona OR JR Cam Nolan
RT1 SR Cam McNair RT2 JR Noah Eldridge
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 23, 2024 10:40:43 GMT -5
Probably not, but I don't know if all the the other schools signed significantly better junior classes than us or if they all held over as many or more 5th yrs. Same coach that signed the very good soph class and many of the better prospects in the frosh class. So without a theory on why Chesney and staff went after weaker players one year in between several good years makes no sense to me. Maybe someone else knows, we'll see. The issue with that class was 2 fold. First, they didn’t land several of their highest priority level 1 recruits (ex. Xavier Scott is a starting DB at Illinois, Jalen Sanchez is a starting WR at Villanova, Jack Latore is starting DL at Army, Tyler Stolsky will start at LB for Minnesota this year, Kevin Jobity 2-deep DL at Syracuse) Secondly, several of the level 1 recruits they did bring in have not worked out thus far. Conversely, as was Chesney and Co’s super power, several of their mid/low partials and PWO kids HAVE AGAIN been steals. This was the case from Day 1 with landing players like Dan Kuz, Jake Reichwein and Jason Modak as PWOs. Walter Reynolds, Liam Anderson, Phoenix Dickson, Tyler Purdy, Terrell Prince, Matt Sluka, CJ Hanson, Peter Oliver and other major contributors came for little football scholi money. Even Luke Newman came in on a partial ride. The one constant was that they were always able to find diamonds in the rough, develop them, and get them to a ceiling the player probably never thought they could achieve.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 23, 2024 11:09:09 GMT -5
Offensive 2-deep heading into 2024 training camp (based on last season and observations from Spring). No freshman listed obviously. Positional breakdown to follow: QB1 SR Joe Pesansky - QB2 SO Austin Frattura OR SO Josh Jenkins RB1 SR Jordan Fuller - RB2 SO JC Clerveaux WR1 5TH Bryon Shipman - WR2 SO Charly Mullaly WR1 SR Justin Shorter - WR2 JR Max Mosey WR1 5TH Quentin Gregory - WR2 JR Blake Youngblood TE1 SR Jake Petersen - TE2 JR Nathan Schillinger OR FB/H JR John Owens LT1 5TH Declan McCauley LT2 SO Brad Blattner LG1 JR Joe Metzger LG2 SO Colin Beesley OR SO Sean Woods OC1 5TH Christo Kelly - OC2 5TH Dalton Daddona OR SO Will Janis RG1/2 5TH Dalton Daddona OR JR Cam Nolan RT1 SR Cam McNair RT2 JR Noah Eldridge Thank goodness for 5th years. I imagine Coach Curran will want to see at least a bit of backup QB play in case this is Joe P’s last year on the hill (the two backups have seen zero college game snaps).
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Post by hcnj on Jul 23, 2024 12:47:27 GMT -5
Probably not, but I don't know if all the the other schools signed significantly better junior classes than us or if they all held over as many or more 5th yrs. Same coach that signed the very good soph class and many of the better prospects in the frosh class. So without a theory on why Chesney and staff went after weaker players one year in between several good years makes no sense to me. Maybe someone else knows, we'll see. The issue with that class was 2 fold. First, they didn’t land several of their highest priority level 1 recruits (ex. Xavier Scott is a starting DB at Illinois, Jalen Sanchez is a starting WR at Villanova, Jack Latore is starting DL at Army etc) Secondly, several of the level 1 recruits they did bring in have not worked out thus far. Conversely, as was Chesney and Co’s super power, several of their mid/low partials and PWO kids HAVE AGAIN been steals. This was the case from Day 1 with landing players like Dan Kuz, Jake Reichwein and Jason Modak as PWOs. Walter Reynolds, Liam Anderson, Phoenix Dickson, Tyler Purdy, Terrell Prince, Matt Sluka, CJ Hanson, Peter Oliver and other major contributors came for little football scholi money. Even Luke Newman came in on a partial ride. The one constant was that they were always able to find diamonds in the rough, develop them, and get them to a ceiling the player probably never thought they could achieve. Two of the headliners were the St Peter's recruits, the DB who didn't make it through camp and Sam Slade who's a speed back and has had, and will have a lot of bigger backs to contend with. Fuller plus JC who I think would have seen decent minutes last year without his injury. JC has both power and speed and a decent receiver coming in. Nazir, we'll see.
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Post by hcnj on Jul 23, 2024 13:21:06 GMT -5
Being a poor substitute for KY I counted 17 jrs on the no-freshmen spring roster which shows 70 total players. 7 of them appear on 05's offensive 2+ deep projection. One of the 17 is the track walk-on. Another is Palenzuela who kicked last year and will be a ST projection. Plus Ross who started at DE last yr as a soph and any others that make the O-team projection. Not terrible but also no obvious stars IMHO. Is Norwua (sp) jr DE going to be rostered next year? He's been injured but I think he played a bit his freshman year.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 23, 2024 13:31:25 GMT -5
Three players are missing from the current roster. Osa Noruwa is still recovering from injury but will be rostered and hope to have back mid season DT Josh Williams has 2 years of eligibility remaining after taking time away from HC last fall and Q Gregs decided late to come back for his 5th year. That’s 73 total on the current roster + 25 known freshman = 98. Probably 1-2 more late walk on’s and my guess is final fall roster is right at ~100.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 23, 2024 16:19:24 GMT -5
Agree on limiting priorities or areas of interest Tier one- where 70% of the money goes Football Basketball - men's Hockey- men's Basketball- women's Tier two-- years of participation and tradition Hockey- women's Lax- women's Lax- men's Soccer- men's Baseball Track- men/women Tier three and beyond All other sports Naturally I missed some for tier two and at best it is a guess Phreek would have the exact figures, but I think M&W Hockey have the same number of scholarships and coaches. The main reason the men would get more funding is for travel costs as the AHA is a more far flung league than Hockey East. Holy Cross fits right into the geographic center of the compact Hockey East footprint. If Holy Cross could play the Hockey East schools as their league for all sports, it would take a load of pressure off the budget. No chance of that, however. Both M/W ice hockey are at the scollie limits allowed by the NCAA. HC can't afford to play HE men's hockey because that would simply be throwing away several million dollars more than it does now. (BC spent over $5 million on men's ice hockey; in 2022-23.) It will be interesting to see if BC moves from HE after it starts shelling out $$$ to hockey players as a consequence of its primary conference members now paying up to $20 million a year to student athletes. Will Hopkins now drop out of Big10 lacrosse?
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 23, 2024 17:22:22 GMT -5
So it's HC stiff-arming H.E., not the other way around. Why do I suspect that H.C. would accept an invite to Men's H.E. and then spend thousands, not millions more and have the same success as the HC women have had in H.E.? I like the excitement of chasing the AHA Championship we have enjoyed the past two seasons. It comes with an auto-bid and we are just a few more biscuits in the basket away from snagging it.
Regarding Johns Hopkins dropping out of Big Ten lax, I've got a call into Mike Bloomberg to find out.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 24, 2024 7:29:46 GMT -5
Projected Defensive Two Deep Heading into Training Camp:
DE1 SO Will Robinson - DE2 JR Colin Reynolds
DT1 SO Brice Stevenson - DT2 SR Damon Danolds
DT1 SO Jovan George - DT2 SR Josh Williams
DE1 JR Christian Ross - DE/OLB (Edge Rush) 5TH Matt Kane
LB1 SR Frankie Monte - LB2 SO Cam Santee (will also play Edge Rush)
LB1/2 SO Drew Spinogatti OR JR Sam Boyer
CB1 SO Donovan Comestro - CB2 SO Cam Mills
SS1 SO Carlo Crocetti - SS2 SO Adam Due
FS1 SR Jake Jarmolowich - FS2 SR Jon Wood
WS1 SR Curtis Harris-Lopez - WS2 SO Chiz Onwuzurigbo (starting nickel)
CB1 SO Eli Thompson - CB2 SO Cam Jones
P - wide open
P/K - JR Luiz Palenzuela OR SO Daniel Porto
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Post by hc17 on Jul 24, 2024 9:34:15 GMT -5
Projected Defensive Two Deep Heading into Training Camp: DE1 SO Will Robinson - DE2 JR Colin Reynolds DT1 SO Brice Stevenson - DT2 SR Damon Danolds DT1 SO Jovan George - DT2 SR Josh Williams DE1 JR Christian Ross - DE/OLB (Edge Rush) 5TH Matt Kane LB1 SR Frankie Monte - LB2 SO Cam Santee (will also play Edge Rush) LB1/2 SO Drew Spinogatti OR JR Sam Boyer CB1 SO Donovan Comestro - CB2 SO Cam Mills SS1 SO Carlo Crocetti - SS2 SO Adam Due FS1 SR Jake Jarmolowich - FS2 SR Jon Wood WS1 SR Curtis Harris-Lopez - WS2 SO Chiz Onwuzurigbo (nickel) CB1 SO Eli Thompson - CB2 SO Cam Jones P - wide open P/K - JR Luiz Palenzuela OR SO Daniel Porto Lots of youth, which bodes well for our future & Coach Curran maintaining the program's momentum.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 24, 2024 10:08:44 GMT -5
And incoming frosh class is stacked on D. I’m on record will be a top 20 FCS D in 2025 and 2026 if they stay together and healthy.
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