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Post by rgs318 on Jun 21, 2017 16:58:28 GMT -5
Summer classes could increase the number of 4 year completions.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 21, 2017 17:05:13 GMT -5
Despite what some who aren't sports fans attempt to float, NP has full support of Fr. B & the BoT in the efforts to pursue a HE nod. Fact, not opinion.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 21, 2017 17:15:09 GMT -5
That is good to hear. Also interesting is the idea (only in a vague way at this time) of knocking out the wall behind the seats in the rink and expanding the seating. Expensive, yes. But, it could be done.
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Post by ncaam on Jun 21, 2017 17:44:07 GMT -5
Despite what some who aren't sports fans attempt to float, NP has full support of Fr. B & the BoT in the efforts to pursue a HE nod. Fact, not opinion. How do you know this? Fwiw I see Nat working FOR Boroughs and FV. Isn't that true PP.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 21, 2017 19:58:27 GMT -5
Despite what some who aren't sports fans attempt to float, NP has full support of Fr. B & the BoT in the efforts to pursue a HE nod. Fact, not opinion. How do you know this? Fwiw I see Nat working FOR Boroughs and FV. Isn't that true PP. Nothing major happens in isolation at an institution like HC. Let's look at the financial quandary HC finds itself in, when it comes to competing for students. Financial aid provided from the college's coffers to students 2015-16.Holy Cross $50706K (equivalent of about 70 fewer full scollies than Colgate) Colgate $54275K Middlebury $61955K (Middlebury has about 400 fewer students than HC or Colgate). Composition of financial aid, Colgate /. HCNeed-based school-awarded grants $42677 / $35773 Athletic awards $10483 / $9695 (a third of HC's awards are need-based; Colgate is $0 need-based.) Need-based student loans from all sources $2281K /$10457K Colgate is far more financially competitive than HC, which results in Colgate admitting applicants with higher scores and securing a USN&WR ranking about 20 schools higher than HC So I ask the question anew, how does affiliation with HE help HC address this quandary? .
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Post by ncaam on Jun 21, 2017 20:03:59 GMT -5
Would giving up hockey help?
Did football scholarships negatively impact the issues you raise?
What is your solution if there is one?
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Post by hchoops on Jun 21, 2017 20:11:47 GMT -5
According to Vellaccio, without him specifically mentioning HE, his theory was that greater emphasis on sports will attract more applicants, and thus hopefully more full pays.
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Post by realism on Jun 21, 2017 20:15:15 GMT -5
Correct. And HE still very much in play for '18-'19. Let's accept this statement as accurate. Someone could have actually said this to ACTP or it's something he wants to believe. Let's also put this in a broader context: (1. ) After '12 + months of sniffing out each other as well as deconstructing the situation, the contingencies are well known. Yet, neither side ( HE , HC ) has moved for a MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING or LETTER OF INTENT. Either of which could address the contingencies frequently represented on this Board as obstacles to a deal . "....H.C. acknowledges if the ECHL and DCU clear a path for X to occur, then HC will commit the financial resources to achieve Y results required for HE membership ...." Why not ? ( 2.) It's widely reported that HE is actively engaged with a small-but-selective list of prospects to become an HE member.. "And HE still very much in play for '18-'19." As always, it comes down to what you'd like to believe.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 21, 2017 20:44:42 GMT -5
Would giving up hockey help? Did football scholarships negatively impact the issues you raise? What is your solution if there is one? 1.) HC tends to not give up a sport for which it has an on-campus facility If the decision had been presented to me, I would have reduced womens ice hockey to a club sport, and used the need-based / scollie aid for W ice hockey on other women's sports. 2.) No more than they negatively impacted Colgate. The core issue with respect to HC and HE is that it will cost men's hockey about $3 million more than is now spent (comparing current HC, Providence, BC, and BU costs, all of whom play on their own ice) .Is that $3 million well-spent when it comes to the other needs of the college? 3.) Aside from getting more full pays, the other solution is to increase the amount in the endowment that is for financial aid. That is a big task, a $100 million increase in endowment value would yield about $4.5 million in increased financial aid (assuming the $100 million was restricted to financial aid) annually. It would take about $200 million more in endowment value (for financial aid) to catch up with Colgate, and Middlebury, for all practical purposes, is unreachable.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 21, 2017 21:05:44 GMT -5
According to Vellaccio, without him specifically mentioning HE, his theory was that greater emphasis on sports will attract more applicants, and thus hopefully more full pays. Not putting words in Frank's mouth, but I think what HC is trying to do is use athletics and athletic recruiting to build a more geographically diverse student body. It would be interesting to see how many of the students at HC from California are recruited athletes. Its my belief that its a lot easier to get someone from Florida applying to HC if that student knows that 2-3 percent of the student body is from Florida, rather than just a handful of students. For all of Gonzaga's basketball success, virtually no one from New England applies to the school. And yet Elon has 11 percent of its entering class hailing from Massachusetts. www.elon.edu/E/admissions/undergraduate/first-year-class-profile.html
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Post by zambonihomie13 on Jun 21, 2017 22:38:44 GMT -5
According to Vellaccio, without him specifically mentioning HE, his theory was that greater emphasis on sports will attract more applicants, and thus hopefully more full pays. Not putting words in Frank's mouth, but I think what HC is trying to do is use athletics and athletic recruiting to build a more geographically diverse student body. It would be interesting to see how many of the students at HC from California are recruited athletes. Its my belief that its a lot easier to get someone from Florida applying to HC if that student knows that 2-3 percent of the student body is from Florida, rather than just a handful of students. For all of Gonzaga's basketball success, virtually no one from New England applies to the school. And yet Elon has 11 percent of its entering class hailing from Massachusetts. www.elon.edu/E/admissions/undergraduate/first-year-class-profile.htmlYour point is duly noted and valid, but there should be a bit of a disclaimer with that comparison. There has definitely been a trend of Northern applicants heading South. Elon, North Carolina is much more pleasant and easier to get to from MA than Spokane is. Elon also has a better academic reputation, and given the typical MA high schooler, academics will at least be a bit of a factor. Also, Elon is actually another example of a school than focused on athletics, moving up to D1 in the late 90's and recently upgrading its conference affiliation. Granted, it's not competing for national championships ala Gonzaga. PP, you've mentioned before that you recommend, and also believe it is the intention of the school, to increase the size of the student body. Maybe the school views this route to be more attainable with an increased focus on athletics? I know the "Flutie effect" has been basically debunked, but still its hard to think of a university or college that increased its enrollment without also upgrading its athletic department. Not saying that HE is the key to that, but holistically speaking.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 22, 2017 7:15:45 GMT -5
zamboni, the college does not publicly publish its strategic plan, so one needs to rely on nuggets of information, and simple logic.
IIRC, in its reply to the re-accreditation committee, HC said it was planning on building one, and perhaps two new residence halls. It built Figge. There has also been mention that the college intends refurbishing the Easy St dorms. A logical way to do that would be to construct a new dorm, use that as swing space while an Easy St dorm is refurbished over a year's time, and when Easy St is fully refurbished, there is another dorm in the inventory. Residence halls are typically cash cows. Think of how much net revenue HC gets from students living in Wheeler.
My interpretation of Frank V.'s statements is that HC would expand enrollment primarily to gain more full pays, but is much less interested in expanding enrollment if that only adds to the number of need-based students.
My sense is that competition for full-pay students in the Northeast is quite fierce, if only because of the declining age cohort, and the number of schools chasing. Nationally, a LAC in the Northeast has to offer value to the paying parents, and have a program and/or sport that their child wants to participate in at the college level. And a LAC in the Northeast has to engage in geographic outreach. There are perhaps double the number of top shelf LACs in the NESCAC than there are in the whole state of California.
I would think one of the big pluses of a robust athletic program -- and for that matter, membership in the Patriot League -- is that, later in life, athletes from competitor schools know who they competed against. And when they have kids of their own, and are living in Colorado or Georgia, and their kid is thinking about college, HC just might appear on the radar, if only because an athlete from Bucknell two decades before regularly competed against HC, and thought the campus wasn't half bad.
Finally, IMO, a big HC selling point for the parents of prospective full pays is the study abroad program.
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Post by hc6774 on Jun 24, 2017 6:19:00 GMT -5
Based on current enrollment my understanding is that Figge creates the swing space to annually take a dorm off line for renovation... At reunion Clark was closed and under going renovation.
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Post by HC92 on Jun 24, 2017 8:49:05 GMT -5
Anyone know if the Easy Street dorms would have lower capacity once they're done (i.e. would they make the rooms bigger so fewer students would fit)?
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 24, 2017 8:56:40 GMT -5
If Clark is closed, I suspect it is for a major maintenance project or cosmetic upgrades. See the blog post here from a rising sophomore who according to her June 11 post, says she'll be living in Clark next year. egmuss20.me.holycross.edu/
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 26, 2017 5:19:46 GMT -5
The Easy St dorms are 50-60 years old. Retrospectively, they are of a utilitarian design and the college didn't spend much money building them. I would expect the utilities are beyond their useful life. And I doubt one could replace the plumbing, electrical, heating, windows, roof, etc. of a hall like Clark in three months.
The layout of these halls does not lend itself to conversion to suites. And the college will always need dorms for first and second years.
And if the college plans on increasing enrollment for a summer session, and expanding the number and variety of summer programs and camps, e.g., a theater camp, summer institutes for teachers, etc., it behooves the college to have A/C in several of the residence halls.
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Post by rickii on Jun 27, 2017 14:23:19 GMT -5
If Clark is closed, I suspect it is for a major maintenance project or cosmetic upgrades. See the blog post here from a rising sophomore who according to her June 11 post, says she'll be living in Clark next year. egmuss20.me.holycross.edu/At the risk of offending someone, this 'blog' reminds me of the thankfully few 'newsletters' we used to receive along with Christmas cards from friends that felt the need/desire to tell us how successful, how smart, how athletic, how handy their kids were over the past year as well as updates on the Mom's knitting classes going well and Dad taking up Judo or some such drivel.
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Post by unhfan on Jul 16, 2017 8:33:42 GMT -5
Interesting that Portland, ME will join the ECHL next year giving teams in Worcester, Manchester and Portland. Before this I believe the closest travel was out to NY for Manchester. I know attendance this year for Manchester and last year was awful as they have kept the same prices when it was an AHL team but now with a lower quality project. Many nights there were fans dressed as seats attending the games. I'll be interested to see how Worcester embraces or does not embrace a lower level product then what they are use to.
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Post by Tom on Jul 17, 2017 9:29:11 GMT -5
Interesting that Portland, ME will join the ECHL next year giving teams in Worcester, Manchester and Portland. Before this I believe the closest travel was out to NY for Manchester. I know attendance this year for Manchester and last year was awful as they have kept the same prices when it was an AHL team but now with a lower quality project. Many nights there were fans dressed as seats attending the games. I'll be interested to see how Worcester embraces or does not embrace a lower level product then what they are use to. Fair point. I think it's not only the drop to a lower league. Season ticket holders might feel a little rejected when a team just picks up and moves away and thus not throw their loyalty to the new kid in town. It's reasonable to assume the Railers will not get the level of support the Sharks did. ECHL vs AHL will be part of the reason, but not 100 percent of it. Likely to be more a factor in Worcester than Manchester where the affiliation didn't change and there was no hiatus when fans looked for something else to do on a Saturday night in February
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 17, 2017 14:20:42 GMT -5
I think we are all in agreement that a Hockey East affiliated Crusader team would have much greater attendance at the DCU than a lower tiered professional team. The one thing the locals would know in their bone marrow is that a Holy Cross team will not be leaving town to go elsewhere. Now, the owner of the Railers might have a different opinion but what does he know?
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Post by bigfan on Jul 17, 2017 16:07:31 GMT -5
I have a friend who went to a ECHL game in Manchester and he said that he would rather go to UNH games compared to ECHL.
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Post by nhteamer on Jul 18, 2017 10:27:36 GMT -5
not even close
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Post by rickii on Jul 18, 2017 11:07:19 GMT -5
Here's an interesting rumor....
HC discussing hosting a promotional 'welcome' for the Railers during halftime of the Monmouth football game at Fitton in return for the Railers mutual cooperation on HE scheduling at the DCU.
Sounds like an initial olive branch effort toward prospective initiatives that would follow to promote hockey at the DCU.
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Post by sarasota on Jul 18, 2017 11:55:06 GMT -5
Most of the Railers fans will be dedicated HOCKEY fans. Most of them would be interested in watching HE hockey--especially at the lower cost of a HE ticket versus the cost of a Railers ticket. What would the cost differential be? If the Railers owner is smart as he seems, he understands this. You can't have too much of a good product. Hockey is one of the few sports where the live experience is far superior to the TV experience.
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Post by unhfan on Jul 18, 2017 19:22:25 GMT -5
Here's an interesting rumor.... HC discussing hosting a promotional 'welcome' for the Railers during halftime of the Monmouth football game at Fitton in return for the Railers mutual cooperation on HE scheduling at the DCU. Sounds like an initial olive branch effort toward prospective initiatives that would follow to promote hockey at the DCU. I hope that is true as I think it's a shame this could not have been done this year. A great academic institution such as Holy Cross is a no brainer for Hockey East.
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