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Post by alum on Mar 27, 2024 7:13:52 GMT -5
This still makes the assumption that HC would have enjoyed similar success. Back in the 70's athletes were still legitimate students. Many might have been on the lower end of the academic bell curve of a school, but they were on the bell curve. Then comes 1981 and a high academic Big East school decided to change the norm and take in a kid who, without his athletic prowess, would have been laughed at for applying. One could reasonably argue that HC could accept athletes that couldn't handle the academic requirements of the school. HC could make special academic programs to get those kids through to keep up with the Joneses and be nationally relevant in hoops. And in so doing raise the academic profile of the school. That doesn't mean that considering that price. too high is a totally unreasonable position. .Personally , I think if HC didn't go all in with an "ends justifies the means" attitude. HC's history in the Big East would probably be a lot closer to Fordham's record in the A-10 than UConn in the Big East I think that we have to acknowledge that GB recruited a number of athletes who had academic issues in the late 70s/early 80s.. No reason to put their full names here, but EF, CB and CG all had to leave the school to get their grades back in order and JC left and never returned. (The three that returned all graduated as far as I know.) I don't know if those athletes shouldn't have been admitted in the first place or if they didn't put the work in once they arrived on campus. To be clear, I knew several basketball players who were very capable students. My point is that HC was already making academic concessions for athletes. Although I don't condemn the BE decision like many because I think that in order to do it succesfully HC would have had to either drop football or keep football and drop several other sports, I don't know that Brooksie was right that we would have had to make any more academic concessions for basketball than we already were.
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Post by alum on Mar 26, 2024 15:17:03 GMT -5
I have a question about the nationally televised football games from the 70s (and I would include the Flutie game in 84 which was on ABC.) Were those actually regional games, i.e. people in other parts of the country got a different game? As far as I know, every single ABC viewer in the country received HC. v. Iowa.
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Post by alum on Mar 25, 2024 5:21:13 GMT -5
Six WNBA players on that team. And none of them were Shea Ralph, who I recall as being one of their best players. Ralph had several ACL surgeries and was done after college. She had other health issues as well. While Geno has had good relationships with most of his former players, she is among the most important members of his coaching tree. Ralph turned the Vanderbilt program around. She will be in the running to get the UConn job when Geno retires.
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Post by alum on Mar 24, 2024 11:56:04 GMT -5
Thanks Alum - I updated the string name . “Lady Crusaders” was a name used often by the late, great Bob Foracre who called countless HC basketball games. He would have loved this team. Agreed. I’m sure Bob would have loved to call that first quarter yesterday.
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Post by alum on Mar 24, 2024 6:32:48 GMT -5
Congrats to the coaching staff and players on a good effort (and a pretty good game plan) yesterday. Great job Saders. (I’m pretty sure HC has ditched Lady Saders a while ago which makes sense since we don’t say Gentleman Saders.)
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Post by alum on Mar 23, 2024 16:15:48 GMT -5
Clark did a good job in the post game interview. We ought to cut her some slack.
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Post by alum on Mar 22, 2024 13:56:00 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Mar 22, 2024 12:58:33 GMT -5
Is that 5 year schlarship start a fact, or opinion? A prediction based upon the marketplace and aggressive private antitrust enforcement.
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Post by alum on Mar 22, 2024 12:54:00 GMT -5
Somehow, no matter by how much they lose, when our players are practicing medicine or working as a bank vice president or coaching their sons' rec teams, people will be more interested in a game against Caitlin Clark in front of 15,000 than an overtime win in an early January in the PL.
All of us imagined taking the final shot, smacking a walk off home run, rushing for the winning touchdown, etc. growing up. These women wanted to play in this game ---although they may have imagined it was going to be at Gampel.
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Post by alum on Mar 22, 2024 12:40:40 GMT -5
The top 4/5 Ivy football programs have offered their best players $20-25k summer internships for years which consist of showing up to a corporate office for a few hours a week. Call that what you will. They don’t pay $ to their best players in the same way they happen to have ~70-80 Scholi equivalents despite being “non scholarship football” and don’t play in the football postseason cause it would interfere with academics and finals. All a bunch of BS optics. There are many on this board that will think everything you just typed is hogwash. That the precious Ivies would never play loose with the rules. Thank you for further enlightening those that need it. It is not all hogwash. Just some of it. I have no doubt that the Ivies, especially HYP, have internship and placement programs which make 90 wide look like a temp service. That has certainly been true for decades. As to the scholarship equivalencies, I couldn't tell whether you thought the Ivies were lying about their equivalencies or were referencing the provision below which exempts them from the equivalency calculations. (I realize that many here think that Ivy teams give full rides without regard to financial need, but I have never heard anything but ancedotes about somebody that somebody knows. I would also point that the federal antitrust litigation pending in USDC for Connecticut --Choh v. Brown, et al---is based on the allegation that nobody is getting undeserved finanical aid in the Ivies just because they can play a sport.) 15.5.6.2.1 Exception -- Championship Subdivision. Championship subdivision football programs that meet the following criteria are exempt from the championship subdivision football counter requirements of Bylaws 15.5.1 and 15.5.6, regardless of multisport student-athletes who receive athletics aid in a sport other than football: (Revised: 1/11/94 effective 8/1/94, 1/10/95, 10/31/02 effective 8/1/03, 12/15/06, 10/4/23)
(a) In football, the institution awards financial aid only to student-athletes who demonstrate financial need, except loans, academic honor awards, nonathletics achievement awards, or certain aid from outside sources may be provided without regard to financial need;
(b) The institution uses methodologies for analyzing need that conform to federal, state and written institutional guidelines. The methodologies used to determine the need of a student-athlete must be consistent with the methodologies used by the institution's financial aid office for all students; and
(c) The composition of the financial aid package offered to football student-athletes is consistent with the policy established for offering financial assistance to all students. The financial aid packages for football student-athletes also shall meet the following criteria:
(1) The institution shall not consider athletics ability as a criterion in the formulation of any football student-athlete's financial aid package; and
(2) The procedures used to award financial aid to football student-athletes must be the same as the existing financial aid procedures used for all students at the institution.
Feel free to complain about the fact that the Ivies have the above rule which is pretty much just for them since the PL started giving football scholarships. I am all with you that it isn't fair. Oh, and my quick research here also tells me that institutional need based financial aid doesn't count toward equivlencies in any sports except football and hoops which might explain the success Ivies have in many of those sports. Oh, and one more thought. The Ivies will be giving athletic scholarships within 5 years.
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Post by alum on Mar 21, 2024 20:23:58 GMT -5
Flipping back and forth to Kentucky v Oakland
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Post by alum on Mar 21, 2024 13:32:42 GMT -5
I think we should all know how to spell the name of our basketball coach ! Very sloppy SO many perfectionist on Crosssports. Lots of time and effort has gone into putting this program together by Dedicated HC Alumni and you are going to point out a coaches misspelled name. WOW!! That goes for you as well Sons. Instead of being critical about sloppiness, step up and make a contribution. Our basketball coach's name is "Very sloppy?" That's a funny name.
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Post by alum on Mar 21, 2024 12:03:25 GMT -5
I am pleased to see a lawyer who is not a federal prosecutor or a big firm partner get the nod.
But, I must be very old if people who graduated that long after me can get nominated to the federal bench.
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Post by alum on Mar 20, 2024 18:17:23 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Mar 20, 2024 13:04:09 GMT -5
Hoops--the photo is in the original post. It is the shot we have had posted many times over the years with RP, Bird, Magic, etc. OKoren and Spanarkel are the teammates and, as you note, Blaney coached at Hudson Catholic.
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Post by alum on Mar 20, 2024 12:18:12 GMT -5
Name the two people in the photo who went to high school together and name the high school and name that high school's most famous connection to HC.
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Post by alum on Mar 19, 2024 10:56:44 GMT -5
I have traditionally felt that one negative of Early Decision was that it discriminated against students who might feel the need to wait and see what aid or merit money packages they might receive from other schools before making a choice. Our Questbridge involvement addresses this to some degree, but I do imagine that we are leaving some middle class families in a quandry. Middle class including those with $150,000 in annual income, a $2000 per month mortgage, and $100,000 in a college fund to pay for three kids in five years one or more of whom might want to go to a private college.
Still, if the 16% number holds up, good for VR and the admissions staff.
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Post by alum on Mar 17, 2024 5:32:07 GMT -5
Thanks for setting this up. It’s always fun. Joe Lunardi at ESPN projects Colgate to be a 14 seed and to open with Illinois in Pittsburgh in the South Regional
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Post by alum on Mar 16, 2024 17:55:49 GMT -5
UConn and Marquette tied at 4 with 11:20 left in first half
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Post by alum on Mar 15, 2024 18:32:36 GMT -5
UConn was atrocious in the first half and lucky to be down only 7. They played much better in the second half. Not sure Clingan is ready to be a lottery pick this year. Tristen Newton is really good. Clingan is very good but I think he remains a work in progress. I can’t imagine that he is a lottery pick in today’s NBA. Based on how Clingan is playing tonight, I think we were right
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Post by alum on Mar 15, 2024 12:01:16 GMT -5
Nice looking website. Smart to get an HC kid to do it. Question--The site has a place to join as a member which is "confirmed through financial participation in supporting 1843." Is there a minimum payment to become a member and be eligible for events, etc? Thanks to those involved for undertaking this.
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Post by alum on Mar 14, 2024 12:29:08 GMT -5
Is there an old mission statement that includes the words "duty, honor, and country"? If there is, it seems silly to me to remove those three words and replace them with "army values" If there never was a mission statement (do they really need one?) and this is an answer to a minority report that thought the words should have been included, then not a big deal to meOn a minor tangent, duty, honor, and country seem like laudable values not only for the cadets but for society in general Here is the document which is hard to read on the WP web site. To the Long Gray Line and all USMA Supporters: Duty, Honor, Country is foundational to the United States Military Academy's culture and will always remain our motto. It defines who we are as an institution and as graduates of West Point. These three hallowed words are the hallmark of the cadet experience and bind the Long Gray Line together across our great history. Our responsibility to produce leaders to fight and win our nation's wars requires us to assess ourselves regularly. Thus, over the past year and a half, working with leaders from across West Point and external stakeholders, we reviewed our vision, mission, and strategy to serve this purpose. We believe our mission binds the Academy to the Army - the Army in which our cadets will serve. As a result of this assessment, we recommended the following mission statement to our senior Army leadership: To build, educate, train, and inspire the Corps of Cadets to be commissioned leaders of character committed to the Army Values and ready for a lifetime of service to the Army and Nation. Both the Secretary of the Army and Army Chief of Staff approved this recommendation. Our updated mission statement focuses on the mission essential tasks of Build, Educate, Train, and Inspire the Corps of Cadets to be commissioned leaders of character, with the explicit purpose of being committed to the Army Values and Ready for a lifetime of service. The Army Values include Duty and Honor, and Country is reflected in Loyalty, bearing true faith and allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, the Army, your unit, and other Soldiers. In the past century, West Point's mission has changed nine times. Many graduates will recall the mission statement they learned as new cadets did not include the motto, as Duty, Honor, Country was first added to the mission statement in 1998. Our absolute focus on developing leaders of character ready to lead our Army's Soldiers on increasingly lethal battlefields remains unchanged. Go Army! Duty Honor Country!Here is a link to "Army Values." www.army.mil/values/Tom--To your question about an old mission statement, the posted document said that there have been nine in a century and that Duty, Honor, Country has only appeared in it for 25 years. This would seem to be a bit of a tempest and is certainly much ado about nothing. Measure for measure, I don't think anything has really changed here, but you can certainly take it as you like it.
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Post by alum on Mar 14, 2024 5:06:54 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Mar 13, 2024 7:23:38 GMT -5
Thanks for helping me to get up to date on correct speech. I guess anyone who "owned" an enslaved person was an enslaver as well as those who made the institution possible (sailors on ships that carried slaves, for one example). Would that also apply to those Africans who captured members of rival tribes and sold them into slavery to start the process? What would be the obligations of those African tribes today? Regarding obligations...there are both legal and ethical obligations. Do the people of this country, many of whom are descended from families that were not in North America at any time during the period of slavery, owe for something they never did? Of course not. However, there is IMHO an ethical obligation to offer something to descendants of these people that can be a symbolically important way to start acknowledging what was done to innocent people. I've always wondered if there is some sort of ethical obligation owed by families descended from enslaved persons to the descendants of Union soldiers killed or grievously injured in the war to end slavery. While slavery (still ongoing in parts of the world) has been around for thousands of years (if not more) it is highly unusual in human history for mass numbers of free men to die in an effort to stamp it out. You mean soldiers want more than to be recognized at ball games and have people say, "Thank you for your service?" It might have been easier for the descendents of slaves to have been appreciative of the efforts of Union soldiers had the country not abandoned Reconstruction in order to resolve the 1876 presidential election thereby bringing on the Jim Crow era. It is hard to think that some of those descendents of slaves were in the mood to be appreciative when,for close to one hundred years, they were completely denied the franchise, could not serve on a jury, couldn't eat at the same lunch counter as whites, had to attend segregated schools, had to sit in the back of the bus (and give up a seat for a white person) and weren't allowed to buy property in Levittown because the federal loans which supported that project strictly prohibited it. www.npr.org/transcripts/526655831Reparations are, of course, an entirely ethical matter. Any claim anyone would have against anyone is barred by the statute of limitations and, in the case of claims against government, sovereign immunity. Private parties are entitled to try to do what they think is the right thing at any time. Query whether a legislatively enacted government program which requires that recipients be the direct desecendents of enslaved people would be found to be constitutionally infirm?
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Post by alum on Mar 13, 2024 5:54:00 GMT -5
I’ve always thought that Louth was a big man project. Maybe Hare is expected to play that role next year. Best of luck to Louth. I hope he can end up in a good spot and get another degree
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