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Post by jkh67 on Jan 29, 2017 20:01:26 GMT -5
jflare- Wishful thinking. Head-in-the-sand. You offer no reason to support the likelihood of your dream coming true. Also, my allusion to men making only half of HC's student population wasn't based on the fact you can still populate teams. It is based on the fact that with all-men you get the jock atmosphere that was so prevalent in the mid-60's. I think we ignore the effects of half the students being women. It's about today's culture on the campus. P.S. I think today's gender diverse culture at HC may be a better thing than its jock past. In my day on Wheeler III, no telephones, no cars, no TVs, no carpets and ABSOLUTELY NO GIRLS, the maid who used to make up our beds every day (very plain looking woman) started to look pretty good after a while. Most of us were crypto altar boys from Catholic all-boys high schools. Yes, we were pathetic. We didn't know how to handle booze and, for sure, we didn't know how to handle GIRLS. P.S.s. I met my future wife at The Cattle Call. I'm guessing it doesn't exist today at HC (no need for it), but for sure if it did it wouldn't be called that! Absolutely correct for this Beaven II alum. Cattle Calls in the Field House. Drinking 'Gansett from the Purple Packy in the train yards on cold Friday nights. What could have been better? Lots actually...as I found out when I moved down the Mass Pike to Cambridge in the fall of 1967. Admitting women changed the dynamics on the Hill forever. A better academic student body for sure. But also the end of the social environment (or lack thereof) that helped drive HC athletics in the past. My confreres and I would go to every Fitton Field home game in the mid-60s...and go with enthusiasm. Why? Because there was nothing else going on and nary a girl in sight. The times they have changed, no!?!
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Post by hc87 on Jan 29, 2017 20:09:48 GMT -5
Holy Cross still had very good hoop teams post going coed.....I know the landscape has changed but using the school's size, student body make-up etc. is an excuse imo.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 29, 2017 20:12:31 GMT -5
I don't think it is being used as an excuse for poor performance on the court or field but a reason for the lack of enthusiasm in the stands by the students.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 29, 2017 20:34:41 GMT -5
If we were in the A-10 or NBE, there would be much bettah student/alumni enthusiasm....the PL is probably the worst basketball league in the country to garner any sort of student/alumni enthusiasm in or out of the basketball arenas.
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Post by jflare on Jan 30, 2017 8:15:27 GMT -5
jflare- Wishful thinking. Head-in-the-sand. You offer no reason to support the likelihood of your dream coming true. Also, my allusion to men making only half of HC's student population wasn't based on the fact you can still populate teams. It is based on the fact that with all-men you get the jock atmosphere that was so prevalent in the mid-60's. I think we ignore the effects of half the students being women. It's about today's culture on the campus. P.S. I think today's gender diverse culture at HC may be a better thing than its jock past. In my day on Wheeler III, no telephones, no cars, no TVs, no carpets and ABSOLUTELY NO GIRLS, the maid who used to make up our beds every day (very plain looking woman) started to look pretty good after a while. Most of us were crypto altar boys from Catholic all-boys high schools. Yes, we were pathetic. We didn't know how to handle booze and, for sure, we didn't know how to handle GIRLS. P.S.s. I met my future wife at The Cattle Call. I'm guessing it doesn't exist today at HC (no need for it), but for sure if it did it wouldn't be called that! Absolutely correct for this Beaven II alum. Cattle Calls in the Field House. Drinking 'Gansett from the Purple Packy in the train yards on cold Friday nights. What could have been better? Lots actually...as I found out when I moved down the Mass Pike to Cambridge in the fall of 1967. Admitting women changed the dynamics on the Hill forever. A better academic student body for sure. But also the end of the social environment (or lack thereof) that helped drive HC athletics in the past. My confreres and I would go to every Fitton Field home game in the mid-60s...and go with enthusiasm. Why? Because there was nothing else going on and nary a girl in sight. The times they have changed, no!?!
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Post by jflare on Jan 30, 2017 8:27:58 GMT -5
Sota ....
Athletic administrators change, college administrators change ( Like the President !! ) the Board of Directors change and hence by definition the direction of the college changes over time in many ways including our athletic emphasis. This ebb and flow over time brings various periods of success and mediocrity. We should not change to a division 2 or 3 program just because our teams have not been successful. Stay the course and work at getting better within the framework that we have been using for 125 years.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 30, 2017 10:09:30 GMT -5
Giving up 50% shooting from 2 and 40% from 3 is pathetic. A starter who plays 37 minutes shouldn't only take two shots... or they should go to the bench. We don't need invisible minutes. If the team would win and would have that winning reputation, the Hart would be packed. It's all about reputation and anecdotal evidence... students don't want to root for a losing squad. If you build it, they will come. All of my other comments are repetitive in nature when compared to the last several years.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 30, 2017 10:13:24 GMT -5
P.S. I met my future wife at The Cattle Call. I'm guessing it doesn't exist today at HC (no need for it), but for sure if it did it wouldn't be called that! I met my wife at the first "Cattle Call" of my junior year. Who would have known that our marriage would now have lasted longer than her school (St. V's School of Nursing...now only a memory). If there are no more "cattle calls" it is probably for the best. I can remember seeing drunk HC students standing at the busses that arrived with girls from other colleges. If the HC "judges" saw a girl they thought unattractive, they actually mooed at her. That was NOT one of HC's finest moments, to be sure.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 30, 2017 11:18:15 GMT -5
Giving up 50% shooting from 2 and 40% from 3 is pathetic. 60 points my friend, they scored 60 points. On the other hand, our guys had two scoring droughts (4:15 and 6:15) that add up to over a quarter of the game. With a 30 second clock and a 3 point rule, not scoring 60 is a formula for losing.
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Post by beaven302 on Jan 30, 2017 11:36:00 GMT -5
P.S. I met my future wife at The Cattle Call. I'm guessing it doesn't exist today at HC (no need for it), but for sure if it did it wouldn't be called that! I met my wife at the first "Cattle Call" of my junior year. Who would have known that our marriage would now have lasted longer than her school (St. V's School of Nursing...now only a memory). If there are no more "cattle calls" it is probably for the best. I can remember seeing drunk HC students standing at the busses that arrived with girls from other colleges. If the HC "judges" saw a girl they thought unattractive, they actually mooed at her. That was NOT one of HC's finest moments, to be sure. Regarding the "cattle calls," could they have been any worse? My wife has related that she and her classmates absolutely hated mixers, which in her case were populated by socially-challenged Fairfield guys. As for drunk HC students, I recall once hearing that one person on my floor had arrived at a mixer in an inebriated condition and then approached a girl by walking on his knees because, as he explained at the time, "I always get down on my knees to a beautiful woman."
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 30, 2017 11:45:55 GMT -5
Maybe there should be an annual Crossports award for the thread that goes furthest off the rails. Believe we have a winner . . ..
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Post by hc6774 on Jan 30, 2017 12:03:09 GMT -5
Maybe there should be an annual Crossports award for the thread that goes furthest off the rails. Believe we have a winner . . .. perhaps a weekly award
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 30, 2017 12:05:24 GMT -5
P.S. I met my future wife at The Cattle Call. I'm guessing it doesn't exist today at HC (no need for it), but for sure if it did it wouldn't be called that! I met my wife at the first "Cattle Call" of my junior year. Who would have known that our marriage would now have lasted longer than her school (St. V's School of Nursing...now only a memory). If there are no more "cattle calls" it is probably for the best. I can remember seeing drunk HC students standing at the busses that arrived with girls from other colleges. If the HC "judges" saw a girl they thought unattractive, they actually mooed at her. That was NOT one of HC's finest moments, to be sure. Mount Saint Vincent in the Bronx has a very well-known nursing school... so you can tell your wife that it lives on kind-of. Unless St. V is somebody else then you can tell her "RIP" lol.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 30, 2017 12:09:53 GMT -5
Giving up 50% shooting from 2 and 40% from 3 is pathetic. 60 points my friend, they scored 60 points. On the other hand, our guys had two scoring droughts (4:15 and 6:15) that add up to over a quarter of the game. With a 30 second clock and a 3 point rule, not scoring 60 is a formula for losing. True... we did "only" give up 60, although at the clip and percentage that Navy was going, we didn't really "stop" or "slow" them at all. Scoring 47 points is just ugly from an aesthetics perspective. Just 7% better in FG shooting defense on our part would mean almost 9 points less. If we would give up only 40% (and that's not great), especially with our FT shooting, we would be close. We will never win giving up 50% unless we score 80-- which will never happen.
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Post by matunuck on Jan 30, 2017 12:34:13 GMT -5
The game was even more lop-sided then the final score suggests.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 30, 2017 12:36:22 GMT -5
I met my wife at the first "Cattle Call" of my junior year. Who would have known that our marriage would now have lasted longer than her school (St. V's School of Nursing...now only a memory). If there are no more "cattle calls" it is probably for the best. I can remember seeing drunk HC students standing at the busses that arrived with girls from other colleges. If the HC "judges" saw a girl they thought unattractive, they actually mooed at her. That was NOT one of HC's finest moments, to be sure. Mount Saint Vincent in the Bronx has a very well-known nursing school... so you can tell your wife that it lives on kind-of. Unless St. V is somebody else then you can tell her "RIP" lol. St Vincent Hospital ran St. Vincent's School of Nursing. It was 1.3 miles from our hill to theirs (I walked often enough to know). The old hospital building has been leveled and the nursing school was closed in 1988.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 30, 2017 12:37:24 GMT -5
PS: That 3 year school taught superior nursing skills, it just did not award a BS, beyond the RN.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 30, 2017 13:22:44 GMT -5
60 points my friend, they scored 60 points. On the other hand, our guys had two scoring droughts (4:15 and 6:15) that add up to over a quarter of the game. With a 30 second clock and a 3 point rule, not scoring 60 is a formula for losing. True... we did "only" give up 60, although at the clip and percentage that Navy was going, we didn't really "stop" or "slow" them at all. Scoring 47 points is just ugly from an aesthetics perspective. Just 7% better in FG shooting defense on our part would mean almost 9 points less. If we would give up only 40% (and that's not great), especially with our FT shooting, we would be close. We will never win giving up 50% unless we score 80-- which will never happen. Well, shoot, it would have happened on Saturday only scoring, say 65 or so. And remember this, 47 points means bad shooting, bad shooting means more rebounds, more rebounds with HC's team means more rebounds for the other guys and more possessions.
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Post by Tom on Jan 30, 2017 16:01:45 GMT -5
PS: That 3 year school taught superior nursing skills, it just did not award a BS, beyond the RN. Although this has nothing to do with Navy, you could stay a 4th year at St V's and get a Bachelors from Assumption
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Post by notjuanjones on Jan 30, 2017 16:36:23 GMT -5
Not sure about AU, but every player on the Princeton roster was recruited to play in that offense. That has to make at least a smidgen of difference. I also wonder if Princeton has had as many possessions that go close to over 30 seconds as HC. I know a lot of you get real angry at AnT; I guess I'm a bleeding heart because I feel for him - must be very, very frustrating to struggle when you've proven you can play at this level. This really wasn't that long ago: As of next year, yes; AU's whole team will be players recruited by this staff to play Princeton. We haven't had nearly as much trouble with the 30-second clock this season as we did last year with Nelson at the point; obviously makes a huge difference to have someone who can put the ball on the deck. Our issue this season is we can't shoot. It doesn't matter what the offense is; you can call it "Flurrrnn" and you still need to make shots when you have open looks. Too often, we miss the open ones.
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Post by ncaam on Jan 30, 2017 16:56:50 GMT -5
AU really stinks this year but has building blocks going forward much better than ours. Delante Jones, All-PL this year, however? Oh my!
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Post by sarasota on Jan 30, 2017 17:12:23 GMT -5
An RN program without a BS degree used to be called a "diploma" program.
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